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bolillo_loco
06-29-2005, 06:08 AM
These are all the photos and documents that I have which will scan clearly enought so that you can see the plane type. this compilation represents about 1/3 rd of the total photos which in the book are clear enough so that you can see it is either a 38J-25, 38L-1, or a 38L-5. I could probably come up with more, but this took up most of my day so I gave up scanning after a while. my intentions are to show people who think that only the 38J was used to fight the germans are very mistaken in their beliefs.

In the ETO



DOCUMENTS FROM 370TH FIGHTER GROUP

in the below listed aircraft lost by this fighter group I count 11 38J-25 and 5 38L-1



DOCUMENTS FROM 429TH FIGHTER SQUADON

this is only a very partial list the book does not give every sortie listed



P-38J-20-LO and earlier models being retro fitted to bring them up to 38J-25-LO standards

I know I have more than one pic of this, but this was what I found while breezing through my books. I also found several notations about kits being shipped from the usa to modify older 38s. yes I know the 1st set of kits was shot down.



read middle of page



P-38J-25-LO & later in the MTO

from this base missions could be flown as far as berlin germany. missions to attack targets on german soil were frequent



38s in the MTO frequently performed high altitude bomber escort to targets on german soil


P-38J-25-LO & LATER LIGHTNINGS

AerialTarget
06-29-2005, 06:20 AM
Wow! Hey, would you give me your top five P-38 Lightning book recommendations?

bolillo_loco
06-29-2005, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
Wow! Hey, would you give me your top five P-38 Lightning book recommendations?

tagert you looked at the post too soon, I hit enter by accident when I was only 1/3 rd complete.

book recomendations were just discussed last week in this thread. after my post take a look at the one made by Gr8r_Swiss

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/1021073333

MEGILE
06-29-2005, 06:38 AM
http://img125.echo.cx/img125/5115/escort2ia.jpg

That is a striking image. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

MadBadVlad
06-29-2005, 06:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Too much information! Are you trying to set up an online P-38 library or something. Nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AerialTarget
06-29-2005, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by MadBadVlad:
Too much information!

There's no such thing concerning the P-38 Lightning! Again, my thanks go to Bolillo Loco.

faustnik
06-29-2005, 10:19 AM
Weren't most of the 9th AF P-38s (thrre fighters groups I think?) that participated in the Ardennes Offensive battle P-38Ls or late (boosted aileron) J's??? I like seeing all the scans, but, I didn't know there was a controversy???

Aviar
06-29-2005, 11:32 AM
Several pictures show the front wheel as possibly being steerable. Is this true or is it simply on a swivel?

If it WAS steerable, I wonder why this was never modelled?

Aviar

ICDP
06-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Great info Bollio, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG7_Rall
06-29-2005, 11:47 AM
"Girl on the beach, good reason for going to Cannes, France"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

bolillo_loco
06-29-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Aviar:
Several pictures show the front wheel as possibly being steerable. Is this true or is it simply on a swivel?

If it WAS steerable, I wonder why this was never modelled?

Aviar

all lightnings produced had a non steering free caster wheel, which by the way you could not lock in any position. to get the nose wheel straight,you had to line the 38 up on the runway prior to take off. something interesting I have noticed about the nose wheel is that it looks like there are 2 cylinders fitted on all 38s as some sort of dampner to limit the wheel from wobbling about.

FAUSTNIK

I havent a complete record of the 3 9th A/F groups that used P-38s. the partial pics and documents I have show that they flew a mixed bag of 3 main types, J-15, J-25, and the L. the J-25 from 6/44 till the end of the war and the L model showing up between august-october depending on the squadron and fighter group.

BigKahuna_GS
06-29-2005, 03:55 PM
S!

Thanks Bolillo ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Guess that clears up any controversy on the P38L seeing action in the ETO. Bodies book had deliveries starting on 6/44.



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JadehawkII
06-29-2005, 05:13 PM
Whoa, you should be careful about posting copyrighted stuff online like this. Granted, it's ok to post a photo or two to make a point about something. But posting such large and several complete pages could get you and UBI Soft in trouble if the authors find out about this. Just trying to help here, not bash. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bolillo_loco
06-29-2005, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by JadehawkII:
Whoa, you should be careful about posting copyrighted stuff online like this. Granted, it's ok to post a photo or two to make a point about something. But posting such large and several complete pages could get you and UBI Soft in trouble if the authors find out about this. Just trying to help here, not bash. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

yes I did not like doing it myself, I just wanted to post pics and documents to show that there is plenty of evidence. pics and documents have been removed, enough people saw them

LeadSpitter_
06-30-2005, 06:46 AM
great post and bump why did you edit out all the scans it or did the mods do it?

Aaron_GT
06-30-2005, 12:38 PM
great post and bump why did you edit out all the scans it or did the mods do it?

Dunno, but given the existing copyright and trademark issues that UBI/1C have had I can understand why it would have been edited out. Can't be too careful, unfortunately.

RedDeth
06-30-2005, 01:05 PM
due to jadehawk post...

this is a forum not a paid for game addition. nobodies lawyers are going to sift through millions of online forums for a tiny infraction. jadehawk is incorrect in any retribution to follow for this.

bolillo_loco
06-30-2005, 01:51 PM
leadspitter if you want the pics and scans, shoot me a pager in the hyper lobby

SkyChimp
06-30-2005, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
These are all the photos and documents that I have which will scan clearly enought so that you can see the plane type. this compilation represents about 1/3 rd of the total photos which in the book are clear enough so that you can see it is either a 38J-25, 38L-1, or a 38L-5. I could probably come up with more, but this took up most of my day so I gave up scanning after a while. my intentions are to show people who think that only the 38J was used to fight the germans are very mistaken in their beliefs.



And who would those people be, bolillo? Because if you are referring to me, I've already stated that the L was in Europe. But it wasn't there in mid 1944 like you asserted. If you can prove otherwise, I'd be interested in seeing it.

By the way, unless you can see a serial number on the plane in the a picture, there is no way reliable way to tell a late J from an L. Bodie's book offers photographic proof of that.

bolillo_loco
06-30-2005, 08:02 PM
all I can say is you missed the pics chimp I dont know how many I posted, but the photo bucket account has 66 pics and I believe I posted all but a few. some had dates while others didnt, summer, autum 44 etc.

it was in response to hearing some complaining about the 38L and 38L late being in a certain server because it is suppose to be a "historical" plane set server.

and chimp the L5 is easily identified from the J-25 and L-1. it has the submerged booster pumps in the wings so there are 4 bumps under the wing near the leading edge. this comes in handy when the photo is a close up poser type and the a/c serial number and type are blocked out, the buldge usually shows up. if its a tail shot the L-5 introduced the tail warning radar. plus I will just play the odds 210 J-25s (of which not all went to the ETO and some were converted into non fighter roles) vs nearly 4,000 Ls. what do you think the odds are that its a j25 vs an L? I would say 20:1 in favor of the L.

quite a few photos listed the a/c serial number as well.

BTW chimp, if I had directed it twards you I would have atleast left it up till you got to see it.

AerialTarget
07-01-2005, 02:26 AM
Also remember, those of you who do not want the L "late" in a forty four planeset, that the game's designations are wrong. All real life L's had the engine that the L "late" does in game.