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XyZspineZyX
11-27-2003, 04:16 PM
According to FB object viewer, 109G series has wingspan 10.6m and wing area 17.3sq m. 109K has wingspan 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m. That means 109K has smaller wings than G, and indeed in FB 1.0 109K turns not as good as 109G6AS.

According to some other sources, 109G has wingspan 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m same as 109K. Does that mean their turning ability should be very similar since 109K and 109G has simlilar weight?

in 1.11 109K turns same as 109G6AS, and in 1.2RC K4 seems turn not as good as G6AS.

Does 109G and 109K has same wing area then? any 109 experts please share some info? wastel, butch2k, anyone?

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XyZspineZyX
11-27-2003, 04:16 PM
According to FB object viewer, 109G series has wingspan 10.6m and wing area 17.3sq m. 109K has wingspan 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m. That means 109K has smaller wings than G, and indeed in FB 1.0 109K turns not as good as 109G6AS.

According to some other sources, 109G has wingspan 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m same as 109K. Does that mean their turning ability should be very similar since 109K and 109G has simlilar weight?

in 1.11 109K turns same as 109G6AS, and in 1.2RC K4 seems turn not as good as G6AS.

Does 109G and 109K has same wing area then? any 109 experts please share some info? wastel, butch2k, anyone?

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XyZspineZyX
11-27-2003, 04:35 PM
SerpentBlade wrote:
- According to FB object viewer, 109G series has
- wingspan 10.6m and wing area 17.3sq m. 109K has
- wingspan 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m. That means
- 109K has smaller wings than G, and indeed in FB 1.0
- 109K turns not as good as 109G6AS.
-
- According to some other sources, 109G has wingspan
- 9.9m and wing area 16.1sq m same as 109K. Does that
- mean their turning ability should be very similar
- since 109K and 109G has simlilar weight?
-
- in 1.11 109K turns same as 109G6AS, and in 1.2RC K4
- seems turn not as good as G6AS.
-
- Does 109G and 109K has same wing area then? any 109
- experts please share some info? wastel, butch2k,
- anyone?


16.05sqm is the correct wing area for Bf109F,G,K. On the other hand turn rate is not affected only by wing loading; power loading and aspect ratio play an equal role in turn rate.

For example La5 was rated with a 21 sec turn time, but La7 had a 18.5-19.5 (right/left turn), though wing loading remainded basically the same.

MW-50 equipped Bf109 had worse wingloading but much better powerloading, the turn rate remained aprox the same on all Bf-109G/K series: around 20sec. The only difference was in handling, MW-50 equiped Bf109 were not as pleasant as the early G or F, due to torque and higher stall speed.


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Message Edited on 11/27/0310:39AM by Huckebein_FW

XyZspineZyX
11-27-2003, 05:06 PM
thx for that answer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oleg's email also pointed out similar things to me.

I was quite surprised he would reply in a few minutes :O

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XyZspineZyX
11-27-2003, 06:31 PM
As stated F, G and K series had the same wingspan and area, that`s 16.05 m2 and 9.92m (recalling the latter from memo), and on the whole, they had the same wing design with minor changes.
Previous E model and co. had different wing, with very slightly larger area. However, since aerodynamic shape of those wings were inferior, I believe they didn`t have any practical advantage.

So only the weight increase should contribute to somewhat lower manouvebility/handling in later models, altough it`s not nearly as serious as some publications state, and one has to keep in mind that increasingly better powerloading offset this to a great extent; in any case weight increase in 109s during the war avarage, especially some other famous fighters being in service during the whole war. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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