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DSD
02-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Could someone tell me where to find a King George Battleship and Illustrious Fleet Carrier. I'm at January 1940 at the minute. In all the times I've played this I've never seen either of these, let alone sunk one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Kaleun1961
02-20-2008, 10:47 AM
You could try harbour hunting, but if you expect us to tell you where to find them at sea, then you're out of luck. They didn't have that info in real life and the only way to get it in the game is maybe to snoop your way through the files. Or, you could create missions using the editor and script those units to appear.

Foehammer-1
02-20-2008, 11:43 AM
They spawn randomly. As Kaleun said, it's a matter of luck. I had this game pretty much since it came out, and still I have NEVER seen a KG-V. I found two Illustrious'es in two separate campaigns, one in Scapa Flow, another in random task force I couldn't catch.

I've only seen (and sunk) a Revenge about a month ago, for the first time. That was around BF-15-ish.

Edit, that task force was the third time I've seen an Illustrious, they both steamed at 25 knots with destroyers escorting.

Don't give up, you'll find them!

Oh, and the straits of Gibraltar are good for that too. I've heard fast moving task forces, couldn't catch them though.

geoffwessex
02-20-2008, 11:48 AM
As Foehammer says, it's luck really. However, just like the convoys, if you hang around places they you know there will be some trade - merchant or warship - you'll find one eventually. For example, the chances of a Task Group sailing past you in open sea are slim, hang around East or West of Gibraltar and you're next to a 'squeeze-point' where something's bound to turn up.

Kaleun1961
02-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Considering the numbers of U-boats deployed over the course of the war, there were relatively few sightings of major warships and comparatively few sinkings. The bulk of U-boat deployments were in the Atlantic convoy lanes, where Doenitz hoped to win the tonnage war with the British Empire. Here, there was little need for the Royal Navy to operate warship groups, with the exception of those times when it was necessary to hunt down raiders and German warships that attempted to sortie there. As far as prosecuting the campaign against U-boats, cruisers and battleships were useless. In constricted areas where warships had to operate, such as in the Mediterranean Sea, the U-boats had greater luck, insofar as the major warships of the Royal Navy had to operate to support Malta and opposed Italian Navy vessels. Without the numbers to hand, I would not be surprised to read that most of the sinkings of Royal Navy combatants by U-boats occurred here, if not in outright numbers, than certainly per number of U-boats deployed. Offhand I can think of Barham and a few carriers that were sunk in the Med by U-boats.

The Royal Navy did not operate major warships in known U-boat areas unless they were forced to, by the presence of enemy major surface vessels. The Med was one such area, as was the coast of Norway in 1940. By the time of D-Day, U-boats were known to still be about, but they were judged to be suppressed to the point where, against the need to land an army, the risk was worth it. Otherwise, major warships were kept out of areas where subs were known to operate, unless higher operational needs determined that risk had to be taken.

One beef I have with SH3 [and GWX2] is that major warships are operated within the convoy perimeter. This is simply silly, as such vessels are slowed down to convoy speed and made an easy target. When it was necessary for a merchant convoy to have a warship escort, the battleship[s] or cruiser[s] operated outside of the convoy box, where they could move at higher speeds and thus make it harder to target them. A battleship that can make 25+ knots outside a convoy opting to do 6 knots inside a convoy is not only suicidal, it is unrealistic. I doubt the Royal Navy or the U.S. Navy wished to put its very expensive vessels into a situation where a panicky merchant captain could ram one and put it out of action. I wish the game devs and modders would take this into account and take those capital ships out of the merchant convoys. At the least, we'd have more realistic tonnage scores: My last two patrols I have nailed a battleship in convoy twice.

klcarroll
02-20-2008, 12:44 PM
I ran into the Illustrious in a 1940 scenario about 200 miles southwest of the Irish Coast.

She was in a Task Force that included two Didos, and about eight DDs. The whole group was doing about 18 knots, and NOT zigging!

klcarroll

Rood-Zwart
02-20-2008, 12:49 PM
In the Mediterranean after 41, in the area between tobruk and alexandria http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Kaleun1961
02-20-2008, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by klcarroll:
I ran into the Illustrious in a 1940 scenario about 200 miles southwest of the Irish Coast.

She was in a Task Force that included two Didos, and about eight DDs. The whole group was doing about 18 knots, and NOT zigging!

klcarroll

And just before you shouted, "Torpedo los!" I bet you were singing, "Ziggy Zaggy? Ziggy Zaggy?, No! No! No!" For those not in the know, this sounds like the chant from "The Man Show":


The Fox specialized in chugging two beers in record time (sometimes while suspended upside down) and singing lewd drinking songs. He would close every episode by leading the audience in the German drinking toast "Ziggy Socky, Ziggy Socky, Hoy, Hoy, Hoy!" (a misspelling of the actual Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi![1][2]), a tradition that continued after his death in 2000.


The Man Show Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Show)

Anybody know what the German toast means?

DSD
02-21-2008, 08:27 AM
Thanks for the replies guys, I'll just kepp hunting. Hopefully I'll get one one day but I've had it since it first came out and no luck so far http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Rood-Zwart
02-21-2008, 09:18 AM
In GWX2, 23 flotilla , early 42, I get a taskforce with 1 King George, 3 nelsons and 5 Dido's plus DD's in co64 (around the middle) heading west

DSD
02-21-2008, 01:23 PM
Haven't put the GWX2 mod in as I don't know if it will work with everything else I put in, such as the Hi-res fix and other visual mods http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

M0ttie
02-21-2008, 03:15 PM
I just high tailed it out of Kiel in my type 7, chasing my tasforce heading to Norway for operation Hartmut.
As I was going across the top of Norway I picked up an Illustrious carrier in a task force that also included 3 cruisers, Southamptons IIRC. Too far out for electrics and with 2+2 in the bow tubes let go 2 steamers half degree spread at 8k metres.
One hit and down she went. The cruisers steamed round her and continued onwards, a DD had a sniff but didn't get nearer thasn 5k metres. I couldn't catch up so headed off towards Narvik.
Just reloaded and anther task force is reported.
Intercept course and along comes HMS Nelson plus 6/7 destroyers. **** screen though as they were all within 500 metres of the BB. Never seen Nelson before but old 'rodders' I've seen twice.
Anyhow, gets to within 800 yards, lets go 2 electrics, both hit and down she go's.
Jeez! 50 odd k tonnage and only 4 torps fired, might hit the 100k yet!.
Running GWX 2 under commander on 72% realism.
Got a few screenies, Illustriuous looks like a giant harrier take off ramp with her stern under to the flight deck and she ends up nosing up and going down nearly straight.
Will post when I get a minute......