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Clay-Pigeon--
11-05-2004, 11:03 PM
Dear Oleg.

This is just an idea. But the way the game is set up right now. The load outs for some of teh later planes seems to be needlessly complicated.

It seams to have started with the 110 (an amazing plane) but everytime I load up I have to wade thru two-to-three dozen loadouts that I, and I bet 98% of the players, never use.

I just think the game would be cleaner if was simplifed.

For example the F4U-1D
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Default
<LI>8 HVAR
<LI>8 HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>1 178 gal DT
<LI>1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Napalm + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>8 HVAR + 2 Napalm + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 2 Napalm + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 8 HVAR
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 Hvar + 1 500lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 APHvar + 1 500lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 Hvar + 2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 APHvar + 2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>3 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 HVAR + 3 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 3 500lb. Bombs
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 1 1000lb. Bomb
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 500lb. Bombs
<LI>2 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>8 HVAR + 2 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 2 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>3 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>8 Hvar + 3 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 3 1000lb. Bombs
<LI>1 2000lb. Bomb
<LI>8 HVAR + 2000lb. Bomb
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 2000lb. Bomb
<LI>1 2000lb. Bomb + 2 1000lb. Bombs
[/list]
I did notice that you have already left out a few possible combinations.
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>8 APHvar + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 1 500lb. Bomb
<LI>1 2000lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI> etc...
[/list]
Until we get a drag and drop load out, or more pull down menus for the different stations, it may be more user friendly to keep it simpler. For example.
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Default
<LI>1 178 gal DT
<LI>1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 HVAR
<LI>8 HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 HVAR + 1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>8 AP HVAR + 1 178 gal DT + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>2 Napalm
<LI>2 Napalm + 8 HVAR
<LI>2 Napalm + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>2 Napalm + 8 HVAR + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Napalm + 8 AP HVAR + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 1 178 gal DT
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 8 HVAR
<LI>2 Tiny Tim + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb + 8 HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>1 500lb. Bomb + 8 AP HVAR + 2 154 gal. DT
<LI>3 500lb. Bombs + 8 HVAR
<LI>3 500lb. Bombs + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 154 gal.DT
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 8 HVAR
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 8 HVAR + 2 154 gal.DT
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 8 AP HVAR + 2 154 gal.DT
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 Tiny Tim + 8 HVAR
<LI>1 1000lb. Bomb + 2 Tiny Tim + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>3 1000lb. Bombs + 8 HVAR
<LI>3 1000lb. Bombs + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 2000lb. Bombs + 8 HVAR
<LI>1 2000lb. Bombs + 8 AP HVAR
<LI>1 2000lb. Bomb + 2 1000lb. Bombs
[/list]
As long as you are taking bombs may as well take some rockets. Why take up 2 500lbs bombs when you can take 3?

As for the other planes, who is realy ever going to take off in a A10 with only two 100lb.(40kg) bombs? Anyway, just my 2 cents. Thankyou for a great game.

VW-IceFire
11-05-2004, 11:17 PM
Lower loadouts have to deal with fuel...some of the diehards will scream if you took away the lighter loads.

I tend to use most loadout options in missions anyways...even if its just for the AI. The Bf-110 was great for its options...lots of possibilities for dealing with it.

Clay-Pigeon--
11-05-2004, 11:34 PM
I'm all for leaving in the lighter loads... it is just the way it is now is a mess.

And even with the bigger Pacific Maps, Fuel isn't a problem for any of the american planes. I have never taken up a p-47 with more then 50% fuel. If I take off with drop tanks it is because I want to just have 25% fuel in the internal tank while I am flying CAP.

If you are dropping bombs, I would rather have the extra bombs and a half full tank.

But you are right about german planes. Those guys definately need the lighter loads. But I would never want to be in a 109 out over the pacific in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Athosd
11-05-2004, 11:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clay-Pigeon--:
I'm all for leaving in the lighter loads... it is just the way it is now is a mess.

And even with the bigger Pacific Maps, Fuel isn't a problem for any of the american planes. I have never taken up a p-47 with more then 50% fuel. If I take off with drop tanks it is because I want to just have 25% fuel in the internal tank while I am flying CAP.

If you are dropping bombs, I would rather have the extra bombs and a half full tank.

But you are right about german planes. Those guys definately need the lighter loads. But I would never want to be in a 109 out over the pacific in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see your point concerning the long load out lists being a little daunting in Quick Mission Builder.
However mission designers (including casual ones like me) really want all those possibilities available - and can find many ways to put them to good use.

Salute

Athos

stansdds
11-06-2004, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As long as you are taking bombs may as well take some rockets. Why take up 2 500lbs bombs when you can take 3? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because planes might have been physically capable of carrying such payloads doesn't mean that they actually did carry them. The Corsair in point: capable of lugging 4000 pounds, yet there is no evidence that they were ever loaded with more than 3000 pounds of any combination of bombs, rockets and drop tanks.

A lot of people have been complaining that they can't get off a carrier deck with two Tiny Tim's and a 1000 pound bomb, well each Tiny Tim weighs 1200 pounds and real Corsairs, when armed with Tiny Tim's, carried two and nothing else, no HVAR's, no drop tank, no bombs. Charles Lindberg did load up an F4U-1D with 4000 pounds of bombs and made a successful bomb run, but his exploits were not from carriers, only land bases and I am not aware of any evidence that the 4000 pound load was used more than this one time. So some of the possible loadouts are not at all accurate with what was actually carried in combat.

Clay-Pigeon--
11-06-2004, 08:06 AM
So some of the possible loadouts are not at all accurate with what was actually carried in combat.[/QUOTE]

Cool, so lets drop those as well.

Tater-SW-
11-06-2004, 08:34 AM
Like 500 pound bombs on the wings of SBDs. Didn't happen.

tater

Bill_Lester
11-06-2004, 09:06 AM
Exactly so on the SBD loadout. It and several other a/c loadouts appear to be somewhat akin to the publicity shots taken of possible stores. Just because they're possible doesn't make them historical or practical.

PE_Mosor
11-06-2004, 10:06 AM
Well, at least this Corsair carried Tiny Tims and HVARs at same time

http://www.partizanska-eskadrila.com/ante/tinytim1.jpg !

Clay-Pigeon--
11-06-2004, 12:32 PM
Very Cool post Mosor, where did you find that?

Philipscdrw
11-06-2004, 01:33 PM
Completely agree with you on the loadout interface. A new one would be very nice, a loadout screen like LO-MAC perhaps? I get confused by all the cannon options on the German aircraft.