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tigertalon
06-01-2005, 06:07 PM
After begining here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9161...321066423#4321066423 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9161089323/r/4321066423#4321066423)

it finally happened, big match:

1v1 Arnie with Yak-3 versus TT with K4.

result: TT v Arnie - 1.5 : 4.5

(sorry AtomicMarten, thanks for trust anyway...)

We flew full real, icons at 2k. Had 6 matches:

First 3: merging headon (starting 1k, 4k and 7k), not shooting first pass, after pass fight begins; we both had 50%, 75% and 75% fuel respectively.
Last 3: take off from home base, search and destroy, no rules

First 3 were all draw: I always managed to get E advantage (despite having 151/20 gunpods) over Arnie, but because of elevator lock I simply couldn't get my guns on him. We did make some ineffective head on passes. Nevertheless, I stayed fast and high enough not to get cought by Arnie.

Last 3 were disaster for me. I again always managed to drag him up, where I had bigger climb advantage. Anyway, during all 3 fights, Arnie managed to get UBS hits on me from large distances while following my climb. This slowed me down enough for him to close in and finish me off. Managed to crash-land first and second time, crashed without aeliron third one.

Arnie is for sure one of the best online pilots I have met. He knew exactly what to do to reduce my alt advantage and increase his chances of winning despite most of the fighting took place at approx 5k - he did a hell of a job. S!

I also respect K4 drivers much more now (must admit, as a FW jock I never flew 109s, maybe just G2 now and then), I can see what kind of handicap this elevator is (I fly D9 mostly, so...).

(will try to upload tracks soon)

JG54_Arnie
06-02-2005, 12:29 AM
Yes, that was great fun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for TT! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here's the tracks: numbers 4, 5 and 6 are the ones were the action actually happens. And I think we both got more into shape, so better flying from both of us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.timorozendal.com/IL2/TT%20vs%20Arnie%204.ntrk

http://www.timorozendal.com/IL2/TT%20vs%20Arnie%205.ntrk

http://www.timorozendal.com/IL2/TT%20vs%20Arnie%206.ntrk

If some of you want to see the first three tracks also, click here: http://www.timorozendal.com/IL2

enjoy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks for the nice comment TT, you fought well! Despite the gunpods. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
S! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-02-2005, 01:27 AM
Track number 6 is most interesting btw. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Where TT didnt have gunpods, it allowed for a lot more action! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-02-2005, 02:36 AM
I see.. I will watch those tracks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-02-2005, 02:50 AM
I have watched No.6 track (from Arnie's plane).
TT has initially mega energy advantage, but http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif..
Excellent gunnery Arnie.

Nonetheless, good fight..
You have used that K4 like FW190 TT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

He he.. no throttle in dive and lotta flaps.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-02-2005, 03:40 AM
tnx. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Where can I collect my 10$ ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-02-2005, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
tnx. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Where can I collect my 10$ ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


http://www.stinkylee.com/images/stinkybroke-animated.gif
Ummm. heh.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/nightowl/imsobroke.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-02-2005, 07:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dieg777
06-02-2005, 12:08 PM
Thank you for posting tracks
I found them very interesting and helpful.
It is nice to see such good flying and good sportsmanship.

JG54_Arnie
06-02-2005, 03:55 PM
You're welcome, its a pleasure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It should be done more often as well!

Seems it get downloaded a lot with few reactions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Oh well, as long as folks enjoy it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

archie3101
06-02-2005, 05:34 PM
sorry for asking a OT question, but i would like to see these tracks. i saved them to my docs and when i try to open them using windows media player 10 it says it is not supported. can you tell me how to view these

and again sorry for the O.T.

arch

Atomic_Marten
06-02-2005, 05:49 PM
You must put them in 'records' folder within your IL-2 main game folder.(my path: D:\Games\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles\records)

Make sure that you are running 3.04m version of the game (other will most likely wont be supported).

Enter the game and click 'Play track'. Scroll down to the desired track and that's it.

JG54_Arnie
06-03-2005, 01:00 AM
Online tracks like these will play in every version of IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Except for Pacific Fighters stand alone perhaps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


And Archie, dont apologize. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You should ask such questions.

Old_Canuck
06-03-2005, 01:37 AM
Thanks for posting. Great action and it's good to see that chivalry is not dead in the online community.

Atomic_Marten
06-03-2005, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Online tracks like these will play in every version of IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Except for Pacific Fighters stand alone perhaps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


And Archie, dont apologize. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You should ask such questions.

What are your net speed? Badsight. says that the best way to record .nrtk is on LAN speed (highest).

I had some problems with recording .nrtk's (will experiment a bit). But those you guys have posted looked really nice on my machine.

JG54_Arnie
06-03-2005, 02:55 AM
I've had it on ISDN, TT forgot to record.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

But I didnt think of changing the settings for that before hand, perhaps having it on LAN would have improved the recording even more. Although its pretty good now also. Its possible that setting that connection setting higher will result in a much bigger file. But that would need some testing.

Still when watching the tracks afterwards I did see that hits dont always show up in the same way and in the fourth track I saw one MK108 hitting my plane while that never happened in game. It didnt show any damage since it wasnt there. So hitting effects could be different, and sometimes even absent, but the damage is as recorded. I wonder if you would see that in the first track though. It happened somewhere near the end in my view here.

F19_Ob
06-03-2005, 03:34 AM
Good show lads. Thanks for posting.
It's always fun to watch good pilots.

A few coments after watching the tracks.

Both planes still got their advantages and disadvantages but while the yaks do what they have done since the erly days of war, the tactics for the 109 must change a bit.

The yak 3 is one of the hardest oponents for the 109, no doubt about it.
'One on one' fights is better avoided. On the disadvantage the 109 should keep climbing to put the yak in a very vulnerable position, being slower and forced to keep track of the 109 for too long periods.
Although 'one on one is hard', one have to remember that the speed and accelleration of the 109 still is a powerful tool in a multiple- plane situation.

In those situations where the yak gave chase, my number two had already been behind the yak, spraying 30mm.
It's another story with more planes involved.
A fresh 109 still can choose to leave, while the yak cant.
While the yak can evade a 109's attack it will slow down and even if the yak3 has better accelleration than most earlier russians it still cant compete with a BnZ 109 who refuses to sacrifice his speed.
When the yak gets slow from his evasions, another incoming (unseen) 109 usually can sacrifice his speed and turn well enough for a shot. (I often used this tactic with Olli during our 109 days).

The yaks situation in a furball or similar involves lots of turns to look behind, below and above, while climbing 109's mainly have to search below.
As I see it the Yak3 forces the 109 to a high level of carefulness since a mistake will be painful. The fight takes longer and one have to have perfect timing for turnarounds. (my opinion)

In our Yak3 days we learned how good it was against inexperienced 109 pilots who lost their heads and made the classic mistakes when things got exciting.
One of the best grouptactics for the yak we had(to catch the enemy)were when one was willing to use up his ammo from long range to force a 109 to evade, while the other yaks kept their speed high and cut corners to be able to move in for the kill faster. (instead of the long dangerous pursuits wich are too common).
Even experienced 109 pilots will sometimes act by instict and do evasives.


a few thoughts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-03-2005, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Its possible that setting that connection setting higher will result in a much bigger file. But that would need some testing.

Yes that's exactly what Badsight. says, bigger file with more details. But who cares about size as long as it is accurate as possible.

JG54_Arnie
06-03-2005, 09:13 AM
Very true! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


@ OC and OB (hey cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jessi1
06-03-2005, 09:32 AM
Arnie and tt good show, enjoyed the tracks, and arnie thanks for the tracks of the 109 and 190 flyin you sent me to my e-mail, greatly appreciated and would love to see more, been away from my home computer for a few days but im back now so please send me some tracks(any plane will do) when you get the chance. Salute to the both of you guys

JG54_Arnie
06-04-2005, 12:14 PM
S! Jessi!


And shameless bump! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

mynameisroland
06-04-2005, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Good show lads. Thanks for posting.
It's always fun to watch good pilots.

A few coments after watching the tracks.

Both planes still got their advantages and disadvantages but while the yaks do what they have done since the erly days of war, the tactics for the 109 must change a bit.

The yak 3 is one of the hardest oponents for the 109, no doubt about it.
'One on one' fights is better avoided. On the disadvantage the 109 should keep climbing to put the yak in a very vulnerable position, being slower and forced to keep track of the 109 for too long periods.
Although 'one on one is hard', one have to remember that the speed and accelleration of the 109 still is a powerful tool in a multiple- plane situation.

In those situations where the yak gave chase, my number two had already been behind the yak, spraying 30mm.
It's another story with more planes involved.
A fresh 109 still can choose to leave, while the yak cant.
While the yak can evade a 109's attack it will slow down and even if the yak3 has better accelleration than most earlier russians it still cant compete with a BnZ 109 who refuses to sacrifice his speed.
When the yak gets slow from his evasions, another incoming (unseen) 109 usually can sacrifice his speed and turn well enough for a shot. (I often used this tactic with Olli during our 109 days).

The yaks situation in a furball or similar involves lots of turns to look behind, below and above, while climbing 109's mainly have to search below.
As I see it the Yak3 forces the 109 to a high level of carefulness since a mistake will be painful. The fight takes longer and one have to have perfect timing for turnarounds. (my opinion)

In our Yak3 days we learned how good it was against inexperienced 109 pilots who lost their heads and made the classic mistakes when things got exciting.
One of the best grouptactics for the yak we had(to catch the enemy)were when one was willing to use up his ammo from long range to force a 109 to evade, while the other yaks kept their speed high and cut corners to be able to move in for the kill faster. (instead of the long dangerous pursuits wich are too common).
Even experienced 109 pilots will sometimes act by instict and do evasives.


a few thoughts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Caught a good pilot in P39 the other day using the same tactic with myself and wingman in 109 G2 with gondolas, firing shots at extreme range 0.6 - 0.7 range with nose cannon forcing the P39 to break an oscillate while I remained in a straight lin enabled me to chop his wing off with outer cannons.

Tallyho1961
06-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Hi guys,

Enjoyed the tracks - thanks for posting. While I'm on the line, can/how do you change from Yak view to 109 view, i.e. can I watch from the Messerschmitt cockpit?

JG54_Arnie
06-07-2005, 05:02 AM
Hey tallyho, sorry for the late reply, have been occupied all weekend. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Unfortunatly its not possible to watch from the 109's cockpit. Since the track was recorded from the yak, it would need a track recorded by TT to watch from the 109. Unfortunatly he forgot to record. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You do know the keys to watch from the 109's plane though? With crtl + F2 and you can then play with the camera position with F3, F6 etc..

Sturm_Williger
06-07-2005, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Unfortunatly he forgot to record. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A breakthrough I made recently was to map an extra key on my X45 to do a macro - "start engine + quick record".
No more forgetting to record. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Flying_Nutcase
06-10-2005, 02:44 AM
It's interesting to see good pilots at work. The more such tracks the better. They make a good learning tool.

Even just seeing changes in supercharger and mixture was beneficial.

Cheers for sharing!

Flying_Nutcase
06-10-2005, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Unfortunatly he forgot to record. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A breakthrough I made recently was to map an extra key on my X45 to do a macro - "start engine + quick record".
No more forgetting to record. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did that recently too. It's a winner! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rnzoli
06-10-2005, 02:52 AM
Good tracks.
I just did not understand, why Arnie flew into the ground after one of his aerial victory. Strange way to celebrate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-10-2005, 03:08 AM
Hehe, was trying to look cool and make a dangerous pass. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Halfway down towards the ground I noticed the yak has just that little bit less elevator control than the FW I'm used to. Not a good excuse I know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Actually, that reminds me, in the fourth track I pass TT's plane while its crashlanded and sticking its tail up and the moment I fly by his plane explodes, and I am fine, didnt touch his plane either.. that was quite interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

TacticalYak3
06-10-2005, 08:56 AM
Yak3's they are nice rides for sure!

Thanks for the post.