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buzzsaw1939
07-03-2007, 01:23 PM
this thread has been moved from PF forum, called bush memories http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And then there was the tourist season. sometimes it was a break from the every day logging , fishing and freight hauling, I always did like walk on freight! when the cruise ships came by, we always got a few that wanted to see a glacier. my dispatcher called me into the office one day, and there was this sweet little Japanese couple, bowing and smiling as I approached, every time they bowed, several cameras flopped around in front of them, they didn't know a word of english, but he tapped his finger on a picture of a glacier on a brochure. ah, we're in! while loading them in the plane, they kept bowing till I thought I was going to get dizzy! the loading ramp we used for the 185 amphib seemed to make her nervous, I thought, ohhh boy!! It's their first time. I better make it a gentle flight! It was a beautiful day for a glacier tour, wind calm, ect. I couldn't give them my normal tour talk, sence they didn't understand english. lost in thought, I headed toward a notch in a rock wall, my favorite route. when you pass through this notch, your suddenly a thousand feet over a deep blue glacier, It's a heart pounder everytime! as we approached the wall, I tapped him on the shoulder, pointed to his camera and held my hand up to my face, then pointed at the wall ahead of us. He nodded and smiled, we were just starting to pass over it, and I was checking my clearance when a loud explosion rocked the plane, a quick scan of the instruments, and a look around, found him siting there stiff as a board, with his hand gripping the latch of the window fluttering in the slip stream! his eyes were closed and his black hair wipped behind him! his wife was holding her nose where I assume his camera wacked her. I reached across and grabed the latch from him, and pulled it closed! with my heart thumping wildly I wanted to rip into him, but the poor little guy was sitting there with eyes as big as saucers and scared to death! I tapped my finger on the airspeed indicator, he said "ahhh" and bowed twice. I continued the tour, and kept pointing to his camera, but they just sat quitely till we got back. I helped them down, they bowed and left. I told my dispatcher what had happened and said it's to bad they didn't get any pictures! She said, yah, but think of the story they can tell when they get home!!

Sillius_Sodus
07-03-2007, 04:05 PM
Good story buzzsaw,

Those of you looking for swashbuckling flying stories might be disappointed by our ramblings, sometimes they sound better after a few cold ones but what the heck, if you'd like a glimpse at the world of blue collar aviation, read on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif At least I'll know buzzsaw gets ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

An early gig I didn't get:

Back when I was finishing up my training I started looking for work. Since I had a float rating, and it was springtime, I naturally looked at those type of companies.

The hardest job to get is usually your first one and after a bunch of "thanks but we're not hiring" letters I got a call form some guy out in the boonies. After impressing him with my vast experience...275 hours http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ...he asked me:

Boss: "How big are you?"

Me: "Oh about 5'**" and 1** lbs" (I was a skinny 19 year-old at the time).

Boss: "Hmmm, well, I was hoping for someone bigger".

The job was on a Cessna 180, and I was thinking, how big do you have to be? It's a pretty tight fit in a 180. So I asked him.

He explained to me that on the day their welfare checks came in, the airplane would be filled with cases of beer and flown to a certain First Nations village on the shore of a certain lake. The village was dry, but not the island in the middle of the lake.

If I was a bigger guy my job would have been to beach the airplane on the island and wait for the customers to arrive. They could only drink on the island and I would have to stay until the beer was all gone and make sure it was all paid for. Sounds like fun...NOT!

Having witnessed the damage alcohol has wreaked in some remote communities, I've often wondered about that guy's Karma.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-03-2007, 05:24 PM
Bump...hehe...tell the one about the cat again...love that one.

S!

jolly_magpie
07-03-2007, 05:48 PM
I have a quick and half-remembered story. Once a war surplus Anson was being flown as a bush plane in northern Alberta. A bad landing removed about 6 feet from the port wing, it was right in the middle of bloody nowhere. No repair facilities for hundreds of miles....SOOOOOO....they cut 6 feet off the starboard wing and flew that sucker home to Edmonton! The takeoff and landing were done at speeds considered "exciting" for the Mk V Anson. There are pictures somewhere.

Sillius_Sodus
07-03-2007, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
Bump...hehe...tell the one about the cat again...love that one.

S!

Yeah, that one's funny, I'll let buzzsaw re-post it here if he wants. I have more stories but I don't want to post them all at once.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-03-2007, 06:09 PM
Sodus... I can relate to those clinkity clank flights. good one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-03-2007, 06:11 PM
One of the funiest storys I ever heard didn't happen to me. Although I belive it, because I knew the guy, and he was a first class curmudgin, and it's a well known story throughout Alaska, you may have heard it Sodus. If your a cat lover, you don't want to read this, I love all animals, but this is
funny! he was running a trip out of Sitka in his goose, he didn't like animals in his plane. They can cause havoc if they get loose, but like all FBOs he needed the money. He told this old lady that you can't bring a cat on the plane without a sealed box for it, she had a fit and said the cat would be no problem. He was wasting time so he told her, you better hold onto that cat till we land, she assured him, and they took off. Some where over Chatham striat the cat got scared and went nuts, and started runing full bore around the cabin. It ran up the right side of the cabin, across the
instument panel and down the left side. She was grabing for it every time it went by, old J--- didn't
look around or say anything, on it's third trip, he just slid open his side window and the cat poped out the window and he closed it! After the woman ran out of breath from screaming, a skinny
little old man sitting next to her, softly said," I wonder if it landed on it's feet"?

M2morris
07-03-2007, 08:41 PM
Oh man http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif love that cat story.
Did you guys ever hear the one about the guy who left the dock in his float-plane,a cessna I think it was. He didnt find out about it until later, but his dog had follwed him and had jumped onto a pontoon as he pulled away to go take-off. A short time later, the dog crashed through some lady's roof and into her kitchen. I'm gonna try to find that story.

buzzsaw1939
07-03-2007, 09:14 PM
Morris... as a matter of fact, I do know the story, the way I heard it was, they saw the dog on the float after they reached altitude, he was sliding back, and the pilot tried to slow down, and that caused turbulance, when they looked again, and he was gone! that story broke my heart! I really love dogs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-03-2007, 09:43 PM
I just realized how stupid that sounds, after the cat story! sorry, I guess it's because the dog was just trying to faithfuly stay with it's master, and the cat was going berzurk. what the hey, anyway! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-03-2007, 11:38 PM
buzzsaw,

I liked your story about the glacier. It reminds me of what I used to do to unsuspecting passengers. Back in the day there used to be a nice fishing lake that was next to a deep river gorge. Whenever I felt mischievous (just about all the time), I'd tell the passenger to keep an eye on the float on his side because I thought it might be leaking. I'd take off towards the gorge, which wasn't noticeable from the surface of the lake. The dropoff was very sudden and natch when I got there I would nose over a bit for effect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The language I heard at that point would get me kicked off this forum in a heartbeat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-04-2007, 07:12 AM
I hesitate to tell this joke, as it's been around a long time in another form, you may recognize it ( I modifide it ) a friend of mine in Alaska peed his pants, and broke his keyboard. An old drunk was talking to me in a bar the other day, and was telling me an amazing survival story. while wobbling against the bar, and slurring his speach, he told me he had just gotten back from a hunting trip, and was lucky to be alive. I asked him what happend, he said he was dropped off on a remote spot on Kodiak island, and was walking threw a small valley. the brush was so thick he had to crawl on his hands and knees to get through it, after crawling about 100 yards he came around this big bush, and came face to face with a giant Kodiak bear, he froze, and the bear let out with a load ROARRRRRR!! I said, oh My God what did you do? he said " I s--t my pants" I said, I don't blame you, I would have done the same! he said NO !! not then, just now, when I went ROARRRR!!

M2morris
07-04-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Morris... as a matter of fact, I do know the story, the way I heard it was, they saw the dog on the float after they reached altitude, he was sliding back, and the pilot tried to slow down, and that caused turbulance, when they looked again, and he was gone! that story broke my heart! I really love dogs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The cat going out the window is very funny to me, and the dog falling from the plane was funny at-first, but it's not so funny after all.
I like dogs too, can do without cats. I didnt mean to compare the to anecdotes as alike in humor.

triad773
07-04-2007, 11:11 AM
Aw... I saw the topic and thought it'd be along the lines of this guy

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/WanakaWarbirds/Avenger/BombDoorsOpen/GeorgeBushInAvengerCockpit.jpg
George Bush Sr in his plane.

Happy 4th of July to us Mericans' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Crash_Moses
07-04-2007, 10:09 PM
bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-04-2007, 10:31 PM
Morris... no problem, I think I'm just getting soft in my old age. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Crash_Moses
07-04-2007, 10:43 PM
Me too...around the middle.

Sillius_Sodus
07-05-2007, 12:00 AM
Hey buzzsaw,

What do you think is worse, flying hungover or doing an exterior inspection of your 185 hungover and hitting your #$%^&*@ head on the @#$%&^* strut, losing your $%#^@&< balance and falling in the @#$%^&& freezing #$%^&*! water while a dock full of passengers look on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Your moment of Zen: Kibitzing with a guy in the men's room about the attributes of the lates crop of performers at the local "ballet" at 3AM, then seeing his face two hours later at the dock when he realizes he's your first charter of the day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 08:41 AM
Sounds like you speak from experience SS... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I need some laughs...spent the entire 4th cleaning out a clogged septic line. Not a sink, shower, or toilet in the house is usable at the moment...sigh. Dumped raw sewege all over the basement...managed to kill the power to the PC just in time...lol. Looks like we're going to have a professional come out.

We did, however, get the kids out to see fireworks last night...all was not lost.

Divine-Wind
07-05-2007, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:
Your moment of Zen: Kibitzing with a guy in the men's room about the attributes of the lates crop of performers at the local "ballet" at 3AM, then seeing his face two hours later at the dock when he realizes he's your first charter of the day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus
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buzzsaw1939
07-05-2007, 11:29 AM
OH Yah....the Cessna bites, I almost forgot about those. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I was helping a friend out in his sporting goods store, a few years after leaveing the business. Two guys came up to the counter and said, I know you! you were our pilot in Alaska! now as Sodus knows,theres no way you can remember any of the thousands of passengers you have hauled, however, they seem to remember us. before I could say anything, he said, hows your head? then explained the incident. as it was, I do remember, heres why. I took a father and his young son to a mountain lake, after healing the floats up onto the shore, I went back and swung under the wing strut to hold the door for them, the kid jump out and ran down the float to jump off, I could see what was going to happen, as he was looking down! I yelled,look out for the (whomp) tail! he cought the horizontal across his forhead, and did a back flip into the water! I swung under the strut to go to his rescue, and felt a pain on the top of my head, I drug him onto the beach, and watched his forhead swell like a ballon, he looked up at me and said, what happened to your head? I realized I had something warm moveing down over my left eye. after he and his father assured me that he was alright, I checked my wound and went back to unload thier gear, I noticed a chunk of hair on a bolt, that holds the step plate on the strut for gasing, I had no hankerchef or rags with me, so I unloaded fast and left, when I got back, and jumped down from the plane, my dispatcher screamed and the boss started checking the plane for damage!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-05-2007, 01:59 PM
Oh sure...you just had to one-up my septic tank blues... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-05-2007, 02:48 PM
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luftluuver
07-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Any books on the pioneer bush pilots such as WOP May, Grant McConachie and Punch Dickins.

buzzsaw1939
07-05-2007, 10:09 PM
moses... don't feel to bad, this (one up) is even worse! a few days ago, I smashed my thumb in my truck door, and last night while sleeping , I got stung by a hornet at the base of the same thumb! now I'm trying to typ with a hand that looks like a purple grape fruit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-05-2007, 11:46 PM
Hey Crash,

Me, fly hungover? Nahhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

I did hear somewhere though, that it's apparently bad form to puke before your passengers do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-06-2007, 12:08 AM
yes.. yes.. Sodus, bad form to be sure! of course I wouldn't know about that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-06-2007, 12:12 AM
Of course you wouldn't buzzsaw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The only reason I know about is I talked to a guy who knows another guy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-06-2007, 12:15 AM
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buzzsaw1939
07-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Been spending a lot of time in here, need to work on my plane. heres an old pic of my favorite horse! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/buzzsaw1939/DHC2-Beaver1.jpg

Sillius_Sodus
07-06-2007, 04:56 PM
Nice pic buzzsaw,

Never flew an amphbib. At the end of the season the aircraft would be flown to the nearest airport where they would land on the grass next to the runway. In the spring they'd be loaded onto a wheeled cart and flown off from the runway, the cart had brakes that would come on when the aircraft separated so it wouldn't roll into next week.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-07-2007, 12:29 AM
I never heard of that one! pretty slick! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Moses... your awful quiet, every thing ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-07-2007, 09:28 PM
Buzzsaw,

I guess you have to fly where taking the floats off in the fall isn't an option. Anyway, the dumbest thing I ever saw at the beginning of the float season was done by my first boss. In the winter he kept his floatplanes on ramps by the lake. At the beginning of the season he got into one of the Beavers, started the engine, then immediately went to take off power, down the ramp, into the lake, and off into the wild blue.

No pre-season inspection, no warmup, nothin', just gas'n'go http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

I wonder if he's still alive...

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-07-2007, 11:05 PM
Man...I envy you guys. I get to fly on the corporate turboprop quite a bit but the pilots all know about my hobby and won't let me near the cockpit... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Alive and kickin' buzzsaw. We finally got the septic pumped out and things have returned to normal. Now the family is getting ready for the county fair and 4H competition. Got a tent out at the fairgrounds and everything. Hard work.

Just got back from my brother's...had to install a phone line for him. Picked up an old PC from my parents so I can use UDPSpeed and now I'm trying to get it on the network. Having a heck of a time. It's Win98 but all my other computers are XP. I can ping the gateway but the gateway can't ping the new computer....arghhhh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

luftluuver
07-08-2007, 04:50 AM
So no one can list any good books about the real bush pilots and their exploits?

Crash_Moses
07-08-2007, 08:16 AM
Buzzsaw and Sillius ARE real bush pilots (see...told you guys you should write a book).

But until they do, here's a list from Amazon.

Pioneer Alaskan Bush Flying (http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Alaskan-Bush-Flying/lm/YJGPZXLCZGN2/ref=cm_lmt_dtpa_f_2_rdssss0/103-2440332-1277445?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=listmania-center&pf_rd_r=10HEEM9WBN0NKAW33VSX&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=253462201&pf_rd_i=1558680128)

buzzsaw1939
07-08-2007, 03:59 PM
moses... so they won't let you at the controls eh! well, I would! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif been spending time in your SBD, man that thing can take damage! dosen't say much for my skills though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-08-2007, 04:01 PM
Sodus... I know/knew a guy like that once http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-08-2007, 04:05 PM
Luftluuver...Didn't meen to ignore you, I never read any bush pilot books, and didn't recognize any of the names, couldn't tell if that was a question or a statement, sounds like a good link that Moses gave you, might check it out my self! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crash_Moses
07-08-2007, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
moses... so they won't let you at the controls eh! well, I would! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif been spending time in your SBD, man that thing can take damage! dosen't say much for my skills though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Yup...Ol' Bessy can sure take a poundin'. Too bad she's so slooooooooow.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/MeandOlBessy.jpg

luftluuver
07-08-2007, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Luftluuver...Didn't meen to ignore you, I never read any bush pilot books, and didn't recognize any of the names, couldn't tell if that was a question or a statement, sounds like a good link that Moses gave you, might check it out my self! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Things happen but I can't believe you don't know about WOP May.

May was the Red Baron's intended target when the Baron was shot down. Ever here of the Mad Trapper of the North? May was instrumental in his capture. Never heard of the Little Red River diptheria outbreak and May's flight to deliever medicine from Edmonton in Jan 1929 (temp -50C). round trip > 2000km

Grant McConachie went on to be the GM of CP.

Google gives this: Clennell Haggerston "Punch" Dickins OBE, DFC (12 January 1899 - 2 August 1995) was a pioneering Canadian aviator and bush pilot. Northern Indians called him "Snow Eagle;" northern whites called him "White Eagle;" newsmen called him the "Flying Knight of the Northland."

Anyways looks like some good books http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif and I have found a few others in the mean time.

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 07:17 AM
Curiosity offically activated...

http://www.wopmay.com/

S!

Sillius_Sodus
07-09-2007, 07:45 PM
luftluuver,

"Bush pilot with a briefcase" is a good book about McConachie.

Crash,

"Buzzsaw and Sillius ARE real bush pilots..."

Thanks for the kind words. My bush pilot days are behind me for the time being, I still fly, I just don't get into quite as much trouble now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 08:06 PM
Once a bush pilot always a bush pilot. Semper fi.

Sillius_Sodus
07-09-2007, 08:43 PM
Yeah, you can take a pilot out of the bush...

Blue side up,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-09-2007, 09:44 PM
Right on guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-09-2007, 10:43 PM
Hey Crash,

My brother is a retired Army helo pilot and he used to say a lot of funny things about Marines. That said, two of the guests at his wedding were Marine Corps Majors, I'll say this, you guys clean up pretty nice. Their knuckles barely touched the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-09-2007, 10:53 PM
It just accured to me, we appear to have a forum friendship going here. I enjoy you guys, and I'm thinking we should be on the same page on our login names, if for any other reason, so that people will know who's who! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I'm guessing that sodus prefer's crash and sillius, I know it dosen't really matter, but from now on, it's Crash and Sillius, ok, Moses? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-10-2007, 10:36 PM
First names work for me buzzsaw.

Crash_Moses
07-11-2007, 06:28 AM
Yup...lotsa folks use CM too or just Moses.

Either or...just don't call me Jethro...'cause I wouldn't know who you were talking to...

buzzsaw1939
07-13-2007, 12:58 PM
Hey, Jeth...ah...Mos..ah..crash, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif How do you assign a botton on your coug controls for the bomb sight? I can't believe you juggle shift+F1 while diveing! I've tried bottons on the throttle and stick, nothing takes, any ideas?

Sillius_Sodus
07-13-2007, 01:51 PM
Is it not possible to just assign it directly in the controls screen? I prefer a view somewhere between normal and gunsight so I've mapped a button to the "reduce FOV" function.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Targ
07-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Somewhat Bush story related but here goes. I was a load master for Northern Air cargo for many years and had the good fortune of traveling all over the state in Dc-6's and on occasion a DC-3.
One of the funniest stories I recall was when Reeve's was still in biz.
They had just done shift changes with the mechanics in the out stations in Dutch Harbor and St.Paul (including tool chests) when the planes returned for a big company meeting. The meeting was to inform everyone that they were going to shut the doors and to get out sorry no final paychecks!
As for the mechanics they had stranded in the Bearing sea and Aleutians Islands? So sorry and good luck on getting back and PS you cant stay in the company quarters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
They were able to get back after a week due to the kindness of Pen Air.
The stories of Mark air and Reeve's and Northern Air cargo could fill a book!

buzzsaw1939
07-13-2007, 02:26 PM
Targ... I remember some of those storys about those guys, But thats the worse one yet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-13-2007, 02:30 PM
Thanks Sillius.. Thats what I was afraid of, I'm not doing to bad just winging it! I'm starting to see why crash loves that SBD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-13-2007, 02:40 PM
Targ,

Stranded in the Aleutians, yikes! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I've been flying over the Aleutians for over nine years now and I've only seen Dutch Harbour once, Shemya and St-Paul not a glimpse. That's some dirty weather down there. Good fishing though I bet.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-13-2007, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Hey, Jeth...ah...Mos..ah..crash, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif How do you assign a botton on your coug controls for the bomb sight? I can't believe you juggle shift+F1 while diveing! I've tried bottons on the throttle and stick, nothing takes, any ideas?

Actually, I use the predecesor to the Cougar. I have a Thrustmaster TQS and F-22 modified with a couple of Bob Church's digital chips. However, I use similar software written by the gentleman who wrote the software for the Courgar (his name escapes me at the moment). It's called Digital Foxy and works great for programming my HOTAS.

Does your stick come with programming software? If it won't take SHIFT F1 try changing it to a single key. But all you should have to do is go into the controls section, click on the command you want to change and then hit the button you want to assign it to.

I just like to use Digital Foxy because it lets me do creative programming (like automatically lowering or raising manual landing gear without having to hit a key 20 times).

I've been reading The Dauntless Dive Bomber of World War Two by Barrett Tillman and just learned that the SBD would dive with the dive flaps AND landing flaps fully deployed. There was a single control in the cockpit that controlled both so I'm going to program a button to lower and raise both sets of flaps at the same time.

I am such a geek...

Crash_Moses
07-13-2007, 07:57 PM
The stories of Mark air and Reeve's and Northern Air cargo could fill a book!


See? Now there's three of you. Y'all get started writing...I'll edit.

buzzsaw1939
07-13-2007, 08:53 PM
The foxy program is what I lost when I cleaned my comp, Just haven't reinstalled it yet, as my controls seem to work pretty good with out it, I couldn't get any of the control buttons to work for the bomb sight, but your idea of a single key would help, I can't manipulate my left hand enough to hit the shift key and F1 while diveing. as for the dive brake, I assigned a button on the stick, and get full dive brake plus full flaps all at once, works great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-13-2007, 09:05 PM
Roger that!

I love my Thrustmaster...I rarely have to touch the keyboard and I use Game Commander to order my wingman about. If I can get this !@#$% spare PC to run UDPSpeed I might have the beginnings of a nice cockpit.

Sillius_Sodus
07-13-2007, 10:35 PM
Crash,

I've got an old F-22 stick. Is there any way to convert the thing to usb? It was a great stick even though I found it a little stiff.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
07-14-2007, 08:00 AM
Stiff? Those are 19# springs in that puppy...of course it's stiff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I had to bolt mine to the chair...no way I could brace that monster.

I imagine it would be possible to convert to USB...there are several USB mods out there for joysticks...but I'm not sure they'd work unless you converted the stick to digital. I am no expert though...

Fella by the name of Bob Church used to make chips for the TQS and F-22 that converted them to digital. Unfortunately he stopped making them as demand dropped and I'm pretty sure I was his last (or dang near last) customer. You can still find them on e-bay occasionally but it may take awhile to hunt them down.

It's possible to program the sticks without the mod but you have to make a DOS boot disk with the Thrustmaster programming software in order to do it. The nice thing about the analog sticks is they will hold the programming even if you turn the computer off...but you have to use the boot disk to program them. I have to reload the program on my digital version everytime I reboot but it takes about three seconds using the digital drivers he wrote.

This is Bob's home page: http://www.stickworks.com/

Check out the downloads page and the links...tons of good stuff.

And here is James Hollow's Thrustmaster FAQ. It has wiring diagrams...everything. This is the guy that wrote Digital Foxy and the programming software for the Cougar. If you can't find what you're looking for here...it doesn't exist. Okay...that's a little hyperbole on my part...but darn close to the truth.

http://www.flyfoxy.com/ThrustmasterFAQ.html

Also, check out the simpit builder/stick modder thread. Somebody there might have some ideas.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134

Finally, if you decide to tackle it yourself this link might come in handy. I have to admit I've been tempted to try it out. I have an old FLCS and WCSII that I think would be well served by this gadget.

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html

Sillius_Sodus
07-14-2007, 12:13 PM
Thanks Crash http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ok, time for another story. I suppose you could call this one "Your tax dollars at work":

I used to fly resupply flights into the DEW (Distant Early Warning) line sites. There are site every hundred miles or so from Geenland to Alaska. I used to fly from the last station in Canada, Komakuk Beach, to the first in Alaska, Barter Island. We used to self-clear for Customs. Anyway, apparently some US military Herc returning from Thule, Greenland to the US East Coast forgot to mention that they had a bunch of stereo equipment and other stuff when they went through US Customs so we were no longer allowed to self-clear. Now the Customs guy in Barter Island had left and was not replaced so we had to go to an official point of entry in order to clear US Customs. The closest one to Komakuk Beach was Fairbanks, about 400 mile away.

This is where it gets fun. The USAF, who run the DEW line, weren't too happy, but rules are rules. Soooo, I would go to Barter Island from Komakauk Beach via Fairbanks, an 800 mile detour. What would I carry? Well, the usual load was an envelope, sometimes two. Biggest load I ever had was a case of styrofoam cups. All in an airplane that could carry a couple of dozen passengers and a couple of tons of freight.

But wait, it gets better. The company I flew for at the time had a contract that specified a fixed number of miles to be flown, with any overages charged at a very attractive rate...for my company. It started to cost the USAF thousands of dollars to carry those envelopes and cups, they even had to pay for the fuel. After a couple of months if this, US Customs relented and we could go directly to Barter Island. In order to clear customs we had to call Point Barrow and declare what we had to an answering machine. Of course this was pre 9/11.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-14-2007, 02:56 PM
Hey guys... I'm thiking of more storys every day, but I can only be on this thing in the mornings, In the 100's for the last week, no air conditioning, and can't afford another processer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Crash_Moses
07-15-2007, 06:55 AM
Well write 'em down!

If you got heatstroke and forgot 'em I'd be totally bummed.

Bummed about you getting heatstroke of course... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-15-2007, 10:18 AM
Thats what I'm doing .. But I'm finding that I don't spell any better writeing, than I do typing! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-15-2007, 11:06 AM
AAHHHUUUUAAAAA!!... I just did a quick mission in the SBD, sank a ship and flamed 2 zekes off my tail, forgot to record it!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-17-2007, 11:53 PM
While I'm working on some stories, I thought I would mention what Sillius said earlier, not all of these stories are about high adventure, they just represent day to day incidents in an old bush pilots memory. none of us see our selves as heros. an old wiskery pilot once told me, you know D** all the heros are dead, and the rest of us are going one by one! the reason I got into it was, first, I am an outdoorsman, and second, I could get paid for doing what I love the most. I've spent many an hour swaping knee shakeing stories with other pilots, they will always tell them with a sence of humer, that just seems to be a pilots way! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Crash_Moses
07-18-2007, 06:48 AM
Got my high adventure in the Marines.

I want funny...and I want it now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-18-2007, 12:22 PM
Aye Aye sir... S http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-18-2007, 12:24 PM
Hey Sillius, remember where the mag switch is on the Beav? I was called in on a day off for a medevac. in order to save time, I cut across an island through a little pass, there was low cloud cover down on the mountain sides, but I figured I could make it, with a couple hundred feet, it made a nice little tunnel for me, I was below the tree tops, but I knew the pass pretty well. I had my good pants on, ( day off) and was smokeing! an ash dropped on my left knee, and I swatted it off with my left hand. The engine went silent! you guessed it, both mags off! now for those of you that don't know, the R-985 Prat has really big jugs, and you don't ever turn the mags off at cruise power, and back on, you will blow the tops off for sure, not even one mag! I set up a glide to a point between two trees, and pulled my mixture to closed position, after what seemed like enough time to clear out the cylinders, I was at about 50 feet, and a 100 yards from the trees, I hadn't touched the throttle. I held my breath as I tuned the mags back on, and eased the mixture back in, she went right back to cruise power, like nothing had happened! I went between the trees, and was know down in the brush grabbing for altitude. I finished the flight, brought an injured logger back. As I taxied up to the hanger, I could see the boss looking at me with a strange sort of look, after the ambulance left, I went into the office, and he was still looking out at the plane, and said "your flying to low D**" ! I looked out at the plane, and could see some twigs and leaves cought in the float struts! Soooooo, I had to tell him about it. I felt better when he said he probably would have just turned the mags back on with out thinking! I told him " ya, then I would be looking for you instead of takeing the rest of my day off" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-18-2007, 12:46 PM
Holy Wah! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

That's not high adventure...that's low adventure!

I don't feel so bad now. I'm constantly ashing myself while playing IL-2. My TQS is an off-white color and I usually end up with a little pile in my lap by the time I'm done. The wife looks at me and rolls her eyes, "Slob!".

Now I can say, "Naw, honey...this is the way real pilot's do it!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-18-2007, 02:46 PM
Buzzsaw,

I had a somewhat similar experience, not with mags but with a sticky carburator float. I used to fly into this river that had several fishing camps on it. The section of river in question was located at the bottom of a deep canyon and because of the nasty wind gusts that would occur on a hot or windy day, most operators would only go either early in the morning or evening.

Not us though, my boss showed me that by making a rapid descent to about 50'~100'AGL, you got past almost all the gusty conditions and the air was mostly smooth. In fact, on some days you would land in a no wind condition while 1000' feet above the trees were swinging back and forth like crazy. But then again there were days...

I was taking off from one of the camps on a hot day with light winds, and there was no turbulence to speak of on the way in. I had a canoe strapped to the side but only one passenger and no freight or luggage. At about 100' we hit a very strong updraft followed almost immediately by a strong downdraft. The negative G caused the carburator float to stick and just like on the Gladiator in the sim, the engine sputtered and quit, with the prop windmilling. Of course these things never happen when you have lots of water in front of you, in this case I started to drift down into some rapids. Nothing to do but prepare for landing so I started to take some flaps and ease the Beaver closer to shore. I was about to start to flare when the float popped loose and the power came up VERY NICELY. We climbed away and the rest of the flight was uneventful. When I told the boss what happened he chuckled and said the same thing happened to him once or twice, then he gave me the rest of the day off. A few years later he wrote off the Beaver when he hit un unexpected downdraft doing a steep approach at the base. Luckily everyone got out ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
too bad, it was a nice bird, ex-Army, flew in Vietnam.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-18-2007, 03:12 PM
Tough luck!.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I found out my favorite mount was scrap some where in Bristol bay, she survived Korea. (the pic I posted) word is some green horn that didn't know her tricky nature, flew her into the ground in a cross wind.

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Hey guys... I'm thiking of more storys every day, but I can only be on this thing in the mornings, In the 100's for the last week, no air conditioning, and can't afford another processer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Being the tech geek that I am I cannot resist, what processor and what are your cpu temps in this kind of heat?

buzzsaw1939
07-18-2007, 04:50 PM
Urufu... I'm running a pent 4, 3gigs. I forgot how to check my temp!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-18-2007, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Urufu... I'm running a pent 4, 3gigs. I forgot how to check my temp!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Try speedfan or motherboard monitor. If you are running a prescott (also known as a prescHOTt)then you may indeed have issues in high room temps, that thing was a bloody toaster, lol.

buzzsaw1939
07-18-2007, 06:41 PM
Nope.... ATX, I'm not familiar with those other things, I'm still somewhat of a noob, the last time I saw my temp was when I put this thing together,with F8 on bootup.

buzzsaw1939
07-20-2007, 09:50 AM
Hey guys...you might find this interesting, especially you Sillius. A new generation bush plane just got it's certification here where I live, I've been watching it over head, and across the street at our little airport for the last couple years. questaircraft.com I'm not sure how many realize it, but when I was in the business, the only plane ever designed for bush flying, was the beaver, but the military grabbed them all up, and thats why most of them are x military. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
07-20-2007, 09:57 AM
This little critter? Suh-weet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/07.jpg

buzzsaw1939
07-20-2007, 10:38 AM
Yah...Kelly, the test pilot,was flying the bush in central Alaska when they hired him. I was watching a 170-b landing one day, and I told my wife, " thats a bush pilot comeing in" she said how do you know? I said watch how he dose a short dog leg comeing in over the trees, and put his tail down just in time to make his turn off, bush pilots don't wast gas in the pattern or taxeing! he came over to introduce himself when he first got here, after swapping a few stories, he asked where I flew, I told him I spent most of my time in southeast Alaska, he said with a grin, "I'm sorry, you look smarter than that! and your still alive!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-23-2007, 12:11 PM
We had a company cruiser that we all could use on our days off and a cabin on a small island. I was on my way there one day, and the boss saw me and did a buzz job.( Pay backs are great), and the next time I saw him in the boat, of course I had to out do him! It was a cool day, he had the cabin covers on, and I knew he couldn't see me, so I throttled back the 185 and dove down behind him, I came down about 20 feet over the water and opened her up, as I passed over him, I cycled the prop ( pushed it in and out) not good for the engine unless you do it quickly, it goes to high rpm and flat pitch for a few seconds, (very load), I pulled up into a steep climbing turn, and looked back, his wake showed an s- turn, and he was dead in the water, I circled back, and he was shaking his fist at me. Later that evening, I saw him, and he had a frown on his face. (oh oh)! He said his heart almost stoped, he thought he blew the engine in the boat, when he pulled the power back his poor wife was sitting on the engine cover, and she went thumping through the boat and ended upside down between the bunks in the bow! they both had to down a couple of glasses of wild turky before they could move on. It was a joke that went bad, and I had to avoid her for a few days. They were great people to work for, and I miss them dearly.

Crash_Moses
07-23-2007, 02:36 PM
LOL

Sillius_Sodus
07-23-2007, 11:47 PM
Good one Buzzsaw!

buzzsaw1939
07-24-2007, 10:23 AM
Hey Sillius.. you must have been busy again! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ok, this one is going to be hard to swallow, but it really did happen. I landed on a dirt strip in the mountains in the beaver, and blew the left front tire, it was too far in to make a radio call, and I wouldn't be missed for a couple hours, we had a heavy schedule and I needed to get back. I knew if I could lift the front tires off in a short distance, I stood a good chance of not damageing the wheel and strut, then I could land on the water front for repairs, I only had about 100 lbs of frieght and about an hr's fuel, after thinking it over, I shoved every thing into the back as far as it would go, ran the trim all the way back, and put in about 20 degrees flaps, to reduce the wieght on the tire and help lift the nose up when I start my takeoff roll, I ran it up to full power, then released the brakes, it worked, I rolled about 15 feet and the nose came up, I stabalized it at about 30 degrees with the trim and had to look over the side of the cowling to stay on the strip. on the way back, I started thinking, that was so easy, I should be able to do the same thing landing, it would save a lot of time if my mechanic didn't have to pack his tools and come to the water front. what the hey, I used to do wheelies on my motor cycle. I set up for landing and cranked in some nose high trim, I had to land on the end of the runway, because it had a dirt turn around to pull into if I screwed up, I remembered the 30 degrees, and set it up the same with power, when it touched down I juggled the power and elevator to find the balance, wheeeee! now I had to hold it there for two thirds of the runway to make it to the turn off. I thought, hey, this is so easy, I wonder if I can make the turn off? then I thought, maybe I can make it to the hanger. I swung wide and eased into the turn and was doing fine till my dispatcher picked up her mike and said "show off " I started laughing and dropped it right in the taxiway! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-24-2007, 11:28 AM
Not hard to swallow at all Buzzsaw, nice job getting it back in one piece. I never flew on amphib floats but it sounds like fun.

I remembered a story last night over dinner with friends which they found amusing so here goes:

Back in the early 80's I was working at a small charter company flying light twins. There was no coroner in the town so we often had to fly bodies to the nearest one. Of course the only time anything interesting happens on those flights is at night and on this particular night I had to fly a body in rigor to the nearest coroner.

I was flying a Cessna 310 and rigor had set in on the body so it would not fit in the back and ytou could not strap it in a seated position in the front seat so we sort of propped it on the front passenger seat. About halfway through the flight I hit a bit of turbulence and the body slid off the seat onto me. So there I was flying over water in the middle of the night with a body leaning on me, it's head resting on my shoulder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I could not move it off because of the tight space in the 310 so "we" continued on our moonlight flight...

When I got to the other end I also realized that the only way to get out of the aircraft would be to crawl over the body and I did not want to do that, it would have been too disrespectful so I just shut down and waited for the guys from the coroner's office to come to the plane. They of course were not aware of my dilemma so they sat in the hearse wondering why I didn't get out and give them a hand. I finally waved them over and they had a pretty good laugh when they saw the body cuddling me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Just another day at the office...

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-24-2007, 12:13 PM
I love it!.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I know what your saying, I have time in the 310, what a hot rod!

buzzsaw1939
07-24-2007, 02:58 PM
Ya know.... After looking at Bearcat's thread, (who we are), I realized theres a lot of old pilots in here, I would love to here some stories from you guy's, they don't have to be bush related! even student pilots have stories. and I've heard a few that cracked me up! come on, join up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 11:50 AM
It was that time of year when the humpback whales were moveing through our area. A bunch of photograghers chartered the beav to get pics, as it turned out, it was a lucky day. when I reached an area that I knew of, they were breaching, ( jumping ) I've never heard why they do that, but I've seen them come completely out of the water! my passengers wanted to get real close, after circling the area, I noticed a pattern, where they were breaching. I took the plane down right off the water, skiming the wave tops, I told them to get thier cameras ready, I figured just about where the next one would jump, I told them to watch to the left, (WRONG) some one in the back screamed, I looked up and that stupid fish was comeing up right in front of me, like in slow motion, I swear I could see his eye looking at me with that dear in the head lights look! I jerked the yoke back and could hear more screams as a wall of water smashed into the plane with a womp! I really thought I had hit it, but we were still in the air, old beavus just coughed a couple times and settled down, like she was comeing out of a car wash. now the screams were turning to hysterical laughter, but my heart was still in my throat, some idiot said " lets do it again" I said "I hope someone got a picture of that" you guessed it! no one did! when we got back, I had to wash the plane down to get all the salt off her. *%#@** whale!

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 12:16 PM
Hey Sillius... How do I put spaceing in my stories like you do? I do them in wordpad then copy and paste, and it ends up like lines in concrete, it sure would be easier to read. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Crash_Moses
07-25-2007, 12:20 PM
I said "I hope someone got a picture of that" you guessed it! no one did! when we got back, I had to wash the plane down to get all the salt off her.

And the poo off the pilot's seat! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Crash_Moses
07-25-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Ya know.... After looking at Bearcat's thread, (who we are), I realized theres a lot of old pilots in here, I would love to here some stories from you guy's, they don't have to be bush related! even student pilots have stories. and I've heard a few that cracked me up! come on, join up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

I got airsick on my third flying lesson.

True story...

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 12:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 03:06 PM
Wow... The Kodiak just came over the house pretty low! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Maybe that was for name dropping! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-25-2007, 04:39 PM
...probably dropped ash on his leg.

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 07:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-25-2007, 07:11 PM
Mrs Buzzsaw says to thank you guys for getting me in a good mood before she gets home from work every day!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-25-2007, 08:18 PM
Hi Buzzsaw,

I just type out a reply and hit enter twice to get the extra space between paragraphs.

Crash,

Speaking of airsickness, here's a little factoid for you: Did you know that people with false teeth almost never take them out before becoming airsick? I'll let you imagine what happens next http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

orkan_3d
07-25-2007, 08:36 PM
buzzsaw1939, in reply window, after copying the text, position cursor where you want to break a line, left click, and tap enter twice.

Thank you for great stories!

buzzsaw1939
07-26-2007, 07:31 AM
Thanks guys.. I figured it out, it was one of those things thats too simple to see. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Sillius..you forgot the part where your also out of s-sacks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-26-2007, 08:42 AM
My first job flying in Alaska was on an old military base. on a day off, I drove around to see the island, and explore a little, I parked the Jeep when I couldn't go any farther, and started walking through the brush to see if I could see the beach, I heard the waves, but couldn't see the water yet.
south east Alaska is a wet jungle.

there was a high mound of brush in the trees, so I climbed up to a level spot to look around, while moveing for balance, something under my feet went Boink, I moved my foot again, Boink Boink! mmmm!

I started tearing up some brush to see, sure enough, a wing! that must mean, the lump next to me would be.....I had this rush of dread, what if theres a skeleton in there? after clearing more brush, I could see that the canopy was like a T6 / SNJ or maybe an SBD, it had been pretty well stripped, probably after it crashed, so it wasn't a lost plane. I had to get back so I didn't uncover any more.

Now I'm wondering if it's still there. with all these treasure hunters looking for old military planes, it might be a real find!

Crash_Moses
07-26-2007, 09:05 AM
Speaking of digging up old airplanes...

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/DeHavilland-Beaver/Beaver.php

buzzsaw1939
07-26-2007, 09:52 AM
Nice find Crash... I was flying when they passed that rule for canoes, It was a result of some canoes comeing loose with really bad results, some people died! of course we followed that rule from then on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif special permission for external loads, was a pain in the butt! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Crash_Moses
07-26-2007, 12:05 PM
Tell me about it...and they change the !@#$% rules every year. Then they make you pay to get documentation of the new rules...

I think I'll get that cardstock model though...might be fun to put together with the boy. They have an SBD too.

buzzsaw1939
07-28-2007, 12:57 PM
I'm starting to think I should have just remained a lurker, with an occasional guestion about the game. I think I,ve been makeing an *** of myself, babbeling along with my memories looking for attention because I see my self as a has been. that includes any of my post on other threads as well, (Thats my own personal self analysis, no self pity!)

you guys have been great! and it was a fun trip. I just need to get back to the real world, where real problems are waiting for me, where theres g- forces, exhust fumes, spilled gas and grease under my finger nails. I'll still be here, just somewhere in the back row, thanks guys!!

over and out

Crash_Moses
07-30-2007, 07:57 AM
Roger that, Buzzsaw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Your stories are welcome any time. Have fun working on yer planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

buzzsaw1939
07-30-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks Crash!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-31-2007, 04:17 PM
Hey Buzzsaw,

You weren't making a a$$ of yourself. Granted our stories aren't glamorous, and might not compare to being a test pilot, flying combat of going into space but they are good stories and they offer a glimpse into our world. We warned 'em at the beginning of this tread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. I'll be back and I hope you'll be too.

Don't forget your water rudders, it'll cost you a case of beer if you do and get caught http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


Blue side up,

Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-31-2007, 07:51 PM
Thanks Sillius...roger on the water rudders! always the sign of a green horn, aint it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-31-2007, 09:56 PM
Dare I ask?

Sillius_Sodus
07-31-2007, 11:00 PM
You may dare Marine. A floatplane has small rudders on the floats so you can steer on the water. Unless necessary to maintain control on say, a fast flowing river, the water rudders are raised before takeoff. Because a bush pilot is still only human (after a few drinks I'm not so sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), sometimes the water rudders are inadvertently left down. It's not a problem, but if someone sees you, you MUST buy them a case of beer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif, no exceptions except for mechanical failure, even then...he might be lying! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
07-31-2007, 11:15 PM
Welll... not normally a problem! but you can do a real foot dance if your takeing off in a cross wind, they are the last thing to leave the water, if they aren't stright, then it's ( whoops ) or if they freeze while turning, just before take off! oh yes, you got me, I've done it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

buzzsaw1939
07-31-2007, 11:44 PM
If you guys are interested in a plane I'm building, check this out. www.zenithair.com (http://www.zenithair.com) click on the 701 pic/photo galleries, the first vid shows test flights with rudders down, it's a ugly little thing, but it's a performer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif for the next week, it's going to be in the high 90's, to hot to work, so your stuck with me for a bit longer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-31-2007, 11:44 PM
Seperates the men from the boys Buzzsaw! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
08-01-2007, 11:14 AM
Yah...Nothing worse than 5 digits in your log book, and looking like a green horn! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I think thats how the beer thing started.

Crash_Moses
08-01-2007, 01:26 PM
Hehe...that might make a good call sign.

Water_Rudder...hmmm.

buzzsaw1939
08-01-2007, 02:13 PM
Crash-water-rudders??.....mmmmm, nah! Old Bessie would have never won the war! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Crash_Moses
08-01-2007, 02:59 PM
I sure seem to spend a lot of time in the water though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

buzzsaw1939
08-01-2007, 03:12 PM
Roger on that... be carfull of the sharks! The PBY isn't flyable in here, or I'd come and get ya! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sillius_Sodus
08-08-2007, 04:41 PM
Busy, busy, busy, but still around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
08-08-2007, 06:40 PM
Hey Silius... How you been? missed ya! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sillius_Sodus
08-08-2007, 11:29 PM
Workin' two jobs to make ends meet! Aviation doesn't pay what it used to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'm also taking a little vacation. See you in a week http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
08-08-2007, 11:34 PM
It never did where I was...but I never worried about how much I made, I'm paying for it now though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Sillius_Sodus
08-09-2007, 12:31 AM
Hey Buzzsaw,

Actually, I can make ends meet from my flying, I'm just working on a backup plan because as you know all too well, we work in a cyclical industry. Things are fine now but in a couple of years who knows? Besides, I'll still need money after I retire, probably more than now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good hunting,
Siliius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
08-09-2007, 07:09 AM
I would say thats more than a probable, thats a given! I just wish I had spent a little more time thinking about future expenses like you seem to be, instead of the Indiana Jones stuff. Oh well, Maybe in the next life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Have a good vacation!

Sillius_Sodus
08-10-2007, 10:10 PM
Hey Buzzsaw,

If it wasn't for the missus kicking me in the heinie I'd be rasing hell in my leather jacket and Fedora! I'd let the girlfriend play with the whip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

P.S. What was your best job ever? How about the worst?

buzzsaw1939
08-10-2007, 10:26 PM
I know what you mean, I wish I could get just 30 years back! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-08-2008, 04:51 PM
This thread needs a serius bump. For all those who have not read this read the whole thing, it's a real hoot! Anyone else out there with great flying stories? I love this stuff.

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-12-2008, 11:51 AM
Nobody? This is a great thread....

Crash_Moses
02-12-2008, 12:53 PM
+1

buzzsaw1939
02-12-2008, 01:16 PM
Ok1.. I'll work up some more, I just hope they don't bore people to death! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FoolTrottel
02-12-2008, 01:18 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Just read the whole thread...

It's great! Keep 'm comin'!

buzzsaw1939
02-12-2008, 02:11 PM
Thanks FT!.. I'll give it a shot, I just wish some other old pilots would join me, I know thier out there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

russ.nl
02-12-2008, 02:52 PM
Hi there, I like the stories very much. I have a couple of questions about bush flying.

How did you guys get to become a bush pilot. (maybe been told before in previous pages?)

How do you get into that line of work. Is there demand for it? I'm still young and one day I will fly. Bush pilot is something that's always been in the back of my mind.
I've done a quick surch and found that to get all the licenses needed to be a bush pilot will cost me atleast $50000. Is there somekind of "work and learn" corse(?) like in passenger planes/military.

Not that I can't find this all out myself but I thought here is a change to ask some bushpilots.

I've finished my school and got a real job and working there sinds may. Bought an old house and renovating it. Now I'm thinking is this really how I want to set up my life? I only get one change to enjoy it. I ask myself "what do I really want to do?" I think to myself "what did I want to do when I was a kid and has always stayed in the back of my mind." Flying. Not military fling or big commercial airliners but bush flying as I learned later in life it was called.

It is not something I want to be doing tomorow. First I want to enjoy the fruits of my labor when I finish my house and become skilled in my profession.
Bush pilot is something I want to work to while I am doing the above.

Cheers, Tjeerd

buzzsaw1939
02-13-2008, 05:48 AM
Tjeerd....Wow! where do I start, first off, I would have to tell you, be careful what you wish for, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif bush flying doesn't pay worth a cr@p!

Most pilots use it for time building, to move on to better jobs, only old guys like me stayed for the love of it, an adventure thing, didn't care that much about money, (mistake)!

I had a young girl come to me once and asked me those same questions, I put her to work pumping gas and loading frieght in exchange for lessons, and every time I had a deadhead flight, she would come along in any weather, she was a determined little shet, the last I heard, she was second seat in a major airline.

Bush flying isn't for every body, it's been said, that it's hours and hours of bordom and misery, with occasionl moments of stark terror.

I would suggest going to your nearest flight training office and start asking questions, your talking about a lot of work and study for little return, except a lot of adventure! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif good luck!

Crash_Moses
02-13-2008, 09:02 AM
Ahhh...I still envy you, Old Man. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I demand you post all your flight experiences in chronological order from start to finish. If nothing else it'll keep you from resorting to fistacuffs after arguing Bernoulli's Principle with young whippersnappers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

thefruitbat
02-13-2008, 09:19 AM
Hey Crash, thanks for the compass rose's, lol

I changed my sig yesterday, and went to test, saw your name and thought i'll just test in there, and what an unexpected bonus!!!

cheers

fruitbat

buzzsaw1939
02-13-2008, 09:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.. Ya, I'm a little uneasy about looseing my cool, I hope it goes away!

buzzsaw1939
02-13-2008, 09:35 AM
Let the games begin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gifhttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/buzzsaw1939/upgrade.jpg

Crash_Moses
02-13-2008, 09:37 AM
Hey Crash, thanks for the compass rose's, lol

I changed my sig yesterday, and went to test, saw your name and thought i'll just test in there, and what an unexpected bonus!!!

cheers

fruitbat


Too funny! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I have two versions of that in Photobucket (obviously) and I've had complaints about the large one being a little too large and I can never remember which is which! I've renamed them so now I don't have to do a test post to jar my memory...

For those of you with confused looks on yer faces...http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6921088204/m/5841052336

And if you think it's too big...too bad! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Sorry, Buzz. Didn't mean to hijack yer thread...it's all Fruitbat's fault! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
02-13-2008, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.. Ya, I'm a little uneasy about looseing my cool, I hope it goes away!

Pshaw...I knew what ya meant. Some people are just too sensitive on-line. They think disagreeing is the same as attacking. I just read a really good article about Bernoulli's Principle and the different forces that act on a wing. I think it was in Discover or maybe The Smithstonian. I'll try to dig it up.

Oooh....a new power supply AND a video card...who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

sigh...can't wait to start my upgrade. I want to get back on-line soooooooo bad...

russ.nl
02-16-2008, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Tjeerd....Wow! where do I start, first off, I would have to tell you, be careful what you wish for, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif bush flying doesn't pay worth a cr@p!

Most pilots use it for time building, to move on to better jobs, only old guys like me stayed for the love of it, an adventure thing, didn't care that much about money, (mistake)!

I had a young girl come to me once and asked me those same questions, I put her to work pumping gas and loading frieght in exchange for lessons, and every time I had a deadhead flight, she would come along in any weather, she was a determined little shet, the last I heard, she was second seat in a major airline.

Bush flying isn't for every body, it's been said, that it's hours and hours of bordom and misery, with occasionl moments of stark terror.

I would suggest going to your nearest flight training office and start asking questions, your talking about a lot of work and study for little return, except a lot of adventure! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif good luck!

Hi Buzzsaw, Thank you for your reply. So If I understand right it pays like carp and is boring for the most part but you get to take a girl up ones in a while or have moments of stark terror... Doesn't sound that different from what I have now, execpt for the terror part and flying ofcourse.
Money has never been a driving force in my life and these moments of advanture are what I seek in bushflying. No deturrents yet.

I will go to the flight training office. Bushpilot is something we don't have here in Holland. You would be running out of country in 30 min. If I decide to become a bushpilot it will involve migration for me. Do you think that working for lessons still goes on today in bushflying territory?

Cheers,

buzzsaw1939
02-16-2008, 07:50 AM
Great reply.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif you just passed the first requirement for bush flying, a sense of humor!

Yes you can still start off tradeing work for lessons in a few places, if they have instructors! but it could take many years, wages vs instruction cost.

When I left the buseness, I had a minimum requirment of commercial rateing with IFR, and 500 hr's, on floats (insurance reasons).

Only then can the bush training start!

Don't know whats going on up there now, but I would suggest the more training and time you have, the better chance you'll have.

Save your money and hit the books! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sillius_Sodus
02-16-2008, 05:43 PM
The first requirement for those of you considering a career in aviation is how many times you got dropped on your head during childhood. A minimum of three times for fixed-wing aircraft, four times for rotary-wing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

If you want to be a bush pilot, you'd better have your liver removed, or at least have a few spares handy...four or five should do it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

buzzsaw1939
02-16-2008, 05:55 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif... Oh ya!... I forgot about that part! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

See what I mean about humor, Sillius knows!

Sillius_Sodus
02-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Dropped on your head five times? Law school. Six? Politics... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Crash_Moses
02-18-2008, 11:19 AM
And now for something completely different...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/bolshevik.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-18-2008, 12:16 PM
CM... Check your e-mail please! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Wow! I just tried to log in on my wifes computer, typed in the wrong password I guess, went back to my computer, and changed my password, what a pain trying to log on! cheeezz! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Now I'm wondering if you can log on with someone else's puter, anybody?

corsair0772
02-18-2008, 04:35 PM
Now I'm wondering if you can log on with someone else's puter, anybody?[/QUOTE]


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I have done that many times at my jobs. I would type in my password on someone elses computer, forget that it wasn't mine. Then go to mine and forget the password that I just typed in two seconds ago... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Sillius_Sodus, what is it for seven and eight times? Just trying to find out where I fit in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crash_Moses
02-19-2008, 08:13 AM
I assume you're talking about logging into the UBI forums. Yes you can. I currently use three different PCs (at different times of course).

The first time you log in to UBI from a different computer make sure the little box that says 'keep me logged in on this computer' is checked (or something to that effect). Then it will log you in automatically whenever you visit the UBI forums.

Now, if you're talking about logging into a different computer because it's password protected. You'll either have to create a separate user account for yourself or get the password from someone who already has a user account.

I have three accounts on my PC at because the kids use it too and they're always messin' wit my stuff!

buzzsaw1939
02-19-2008, 08:25 AM
Thanks Crash.... my e-mail I sent was a question about a memory stick, to back up my IL2 game and all it's settings, just in case!

But I think I'll just go ahead with my upgrade and assume no problems with crashing the HD.

I just wanted to be able to go online for help, if I screw up, which seems to be happening a lot lately! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Crash_Moses
02-19-2008, 08:44 AM
No hay problema. But in return I want some more Bush Pilot stories! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-19-2008, 09:44 AM
I've got a folder with a bunch more, but first things first! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-28-2008, 03:51 PM
Not every body is cut out to be a bush pilot.

It takes a certain mentality, no hero stuff, just knowing your own ability, and haveing the calm to know when to back off, not only do different pilots have different levels of ability, but it changes from day to day with each individual.

I've hired a few pilots who it turned out couldn't quite handle it, when they came to me, and told me so, I told them it's nothing to be ashamed of, and I was thankful that they told me rather than push themselves, that not every body can handle the high stress in this buseness.

I usually started them out in better weather and hauling frieght, tell they got comfortable, but sometimes it just wasn't enough.

I had one young pilot who was doing fine, tell we had a nasty low visability morning, with a lot of frieght going to a little town on the coast.

I told him to run in front of me through a pass with lots of fog, so that I could keep an eye on him, I told him to stay to the right side while going through it so that if it got too thick, he could make a 180, and not hit me, also if someone else is comeing through the pass, he stood a better chance of missing him.

I kept radio contact with him to read his progress, asking once in a while how he was doing, we were at about two hundred feet over the ground, and about a quarter mile vis, and I could see him, but it appeared to be closeing in, when it suddenly went to about a hundred yards, I lost sight of him, and reached for the mike, to tell him to get out of there, he didn't respond, just as I pushed the mike button to tell him again, a plane busted out of the fog right in front of me, and missed me by a few feet!

I yelled at him in the mike, didn't you see that plane?

His voice came back, that was me, I quit!... you guys are nuts!.... and he did! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

M_Gunz
02-28-2008, 06:08 PM
How close related are bush pilots to crop dusters? I've seen those guys fly wickedly close
to wires, even under the lines and over fences.

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-28-2008, 06:23 PM
Yeah, I've often thought about the crop duster route myself.

Crash_Moses
02-28-2008, 06:28 PM
There's a crop duster near us that is just wicked to watch. It's a modern closed cockpit biplane painted bright yellow. When he's out and about people pull over to the side of the road to watch. Watching him (or her) dodging high voltage power lines and telephone poles is simply amazing.

buzzsaw1939
02-28-2008, 06:38 PM
I always felt that one could do the other,

it requires accurate control close to the ground!

Where ya been Crash? I thought maybe you were in mexico already.

Crash_Moses
02-28-2008, 09:12 PM
Nope, not yet. I'm shooting for the 17th of March.

I've been busy testing a cellular modem and I ran into a few problems. I only have the card for a short while (it's a loaner) and I wanted to really put it through its' paces.

Good news is I just got off Zeke vs. Wildcat and didn't have a single problem (except getting shot down over and over in my trusty Val).

I have one more card to test and I should have enough information to make a decision...

M_Gunz
02-28-2008, 09:15 PM
I understand that Australia has a few bush pilots as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I can't find it but about 10 years ago there was a humorous Aussie bush pilot story on a site.
IIRC and I don't remember enough to find it, it was POV of the pilot who had to take a calf
or steer out to a herd and some pilot inspector insisted himself along. The plane was in iffy
condition, the pilot had a very loose attitude towards flying but he got things done, sort of.
Again IIRC he got the animal where it was supposed to be but had a gear tire blowout. He was
stuffing the tire with vegetation IN THE STORY I CAN'T SAY IS TRUE when the inspector decided
he would walk back.
I'd really love to find that one again, true or not it was funny as all get-out and loaded
with details from a very Aussie POV.

buzzsaw1939
02-29-2008, 05:01 AM
Yup... Australia has a great history of bush flying in the out back, always had an attraction to it, but I would be afraid of getting lost in all that clear! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash.. I wanted to tell ya how great my upgrade is, every body in here is always talking about perfect water being better, but I had no idea that it was that good!

My immersion has doubled!

Remember that thread about the furball with dive bombers? I love it! can't get enough! got tracks if your interested. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Crash_Moses
02-29-2008, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Not every body is cut out to be a bush pilot.


I kept radio contact with him to read his progress, asking once in a while how he was doing, we were at about two hundred feet over the ground, and about a quarter mile vis, and I could see him, but it appeared to be closeing in, when it suddenly went to about a hundred yards, I lost sight of him, and reached for the mike, to tell him to get out of there, he didn't respond, just as I pushed the mike button to tell him again, a plane busted out of the fog right in front of me, and missed me by a few feet!

I yelled at him in the mike, didn't you see that plane?

His voice came back, that was me, I quit!... you guys are nuts!.... and he did! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Happens to me every time I fly into a cloud in IL-2. I hold perfectly still and when I finally come out I'm upside down! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif



Crash.. I wanted to tell ya how great my upgrade is, every body in here is always talking about perfect water being better, but I had no idea that it was that good!

My immersion has doubled!

I hear ya, Dan. I can get perfect water with my current card but my FPS drops to...like...two! Couple more months and I'll be there...already warned the wife. "Brace yerself, honey...I'm upgradin'!"


Remember that thread about the furball with dive bombers? I love it! can't get enough! got tracks if your interested.

Are you kidding me? Heck, yes!

I have all your tracks in their own folder...I may not watch them right away but I do watch them. Hmmm...maybe that's what I'll do tonight. Yes, a nice relaxing evening watching tracks...I think I shall. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-29-2008, 11:34 AM
I send them a little later, I have to dig out my truck, it's still frozen in! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-29-2008, 01:56 PM
CM... I tried sending 3 of them, wouldn't go, I tried one at a time, they all came back! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
15, 8, and 11 mgs each

Crash_Moses
02-29-2008, 04:20 PM
There's a twenty-five MB limit on my e-mail box. I just emptied it. Send the two smaller ones and when I get them I'll yoller back at ya. Then you can send the other one.

buzzsaw1939
02-29-2008, 06:37 PM
OK! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buzzsaw1939
02-29-2008, 07:31 PM
Nothing going through, just my test message! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Maybe theres a hole in your mail box!

M_Gunz
02-29-2008, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
Happens to me every time I fly into a cloud in IL-2. I hold perfectly still and when I finally come out I'm upside down! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

You haveta go instruments in clouds, Crash!

During WWI there was a German Ace who had found something else about clouds. Even though he
kept level he would come out turned 90 degrees from his original heading. It was found that
the wet air in the cloud affected his p-factor strongly enough to turn his biplane which was
rigged to fly straight in regular air.

Another Ace, Albert Ball died after exiting a cloud on a hard downward spiral. He was already
a big name before dieing relatively early to many others.

buzzsaw1939
03-01-2008, 08:21 AM
I read some books many years ago on early air mail flights in this country, all they had was basic instruments, and some of those storys will curl your toes!

A lot of us were instrument rated, but the planes weren't, so we had to divise our own tricks for getting around or saveing your bacon!

Some you can use in this sim, some you can't, but it's fun trying them, and brings back a lot of memorys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sent you a copy CM.

M_Gunz
03-01-2008, 10:41 PM
I have an older friend who would deliver planes from the midwest to east after the war.
He talks about flying the all-metal Luscombs that he liked very much and following roads
or train tracks to navigate. One story involved getting stuck in fog following train
tracks at about 70 mph or so with his head out the side window to see and hoping like H
to not meet someone else doing the same headed west! Finally he saw a roof with an arrow
and was able to go land.
Lou has big hours in fixed wing and more in LTA, as in blimps that he started with in the
Navy and ended up designing, building and training new pilots in Japan on. He was not
long ago recognized for a non-stop record flight from the US to the Azores on sub patrol
and put in the Delaware Aviation Hall of Fame. I learned a good bit of the production
business from Lou and later on I was his introduction and tech in computers.

buzzsaw1939
03-02-2008, 06:17 AM
Just goes to show, some of us old dogs can still learn new tricks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif