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Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 05:32 AM
hi guys,

yestarday i went online for the very first time...nice experience, but unfor/ it was a short one, cause my take off was terryble http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif, and the plane crahsed all the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.
I must practice harder my take off.
But, just to have a little fun online, Can someone tell me wich servers are intermediate ? Or If there are servers that one can change the options?

cheers

asas

klemlao
05-13-2008, 06:58 AM
Hi Asas_Portuga1,

welcome to the on-line world. You won't regret it and you will never go back http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I assume you are playing through Hyperlobby (HL). If you are playing on Ubicom I would recommend you change to HL.

You cannot change the settings on the HL servers - they are set by the Host.

In HL you will see all of the servers listed on the left hand side. Click on one and a 'join game' panel will come up. Before you join, look at the list of features that are selected with a tick. If you want to fly 'full switch' (the hardest) choose a server with everything ticked.

Examples:
"SpitsVs109s"
"ZekesVsWildcats"

Backing away from that a little, a good experience can be had where the following are NOT ticked.

Icons off (you will get icons but whether friendly only, friendly and enemy, short or long range etc etc will depend on the host settings).

Minimap off (you will get your own aircraft icon on the map to help with navigation).

Speedbar (you will get airspeed, heading and altitude in the bottom left of the screen).

This is a good set for fairly hard play. Examples:
"Warclouds Western Front" (some real veterans in there)
"CZ_AH_Dedicated"


Then there is 'Outside Views off'. (Lets you see from outside the aircraft but I feel that is more confusing that sitting in the cockpit.)

I would recommend you stay away from anything else if you want the best experience. Things like Cockpit Off ('wonderwoman' view) etc., take you right away from the true experience of this fantastic simulation. BUT, it is up to you. All the selectable items are those you will find off line under 'Difficulty'.


One last piece of advice - find a squad to fly with. You will be flying against real peole and some of them are VERY good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You will not survive long on your own on many servers. Check out the Squadrons page on this Forum. You can also see our website under my signature but there are many others.

Good luck,

jayhall0315
05-13-2008, 07:24 AM
Asas,
I would also suggest checking out Bearcat's Guide for Nuggets (Sticky here), Skycat's Guide (another website) and the Newbie's Guide to IL2 Online Dogfighting (link posted here and at filefront.com). You will find all of their links right here in this forum if you search. They are like unofficial manuals to the game.

Jay

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 07:33 AM
Try the Skies of Valour or Ukdedicated2 for mid range settings :-

Cockpit always on, Externals On, Padlock On, Friendly Icons


For Easier setttings try Ukdedicated1 or Skies Of Fire :-

These servers allow you to switch the cockpit off (which everyone does on these two) by pressing Ctrl-F1, and has full icons, arrows and most of the easy settings ticked.

I recommend Ukded1 until you get used to things, switch the cockpit off as soon as you get in the server (CTrl-F1) and get used to taking off.

On all the servers they have the torque/Wind/Clouds/environment/Complex Engine settings ON, so practice that way offline.


Tell me when you are going to try online again and I will try and be on at the same time. What name are you flying under?

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 07:39 AM
hi Klemlao,

thanks a lot for the tips. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

the next days i'll go online just to know/familiaz. the experience of the simulation, but i'll consider join a squad, as u said. I will give a pic on your squad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

cheers M8

asas

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 07:44 AM
Asas, you want to go for a quick flight now?

If so come to hyperlobby and tell me its you (also answer here )

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 07:47 AM
GREAT.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

i'll do that, Xiolablu. Do u think i should join a Squad?

Klemlao, i'm not Doubting your word, it's just, Xiolablu is a long time buddy, sice i join il, and i like is opinion.


ASAS

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 07:49 AM
thanks a lot Jay.


i will do that.


ASAS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:
GREAT.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

i'll do that, Xiolablu. Do u think i should join a Squad?

Klemlao, i'm not Doubting your word, it's just, Xiolablu is a long time buddy, sice i join il, and i like is opinion.


ASAS

Its up to you, mate (<-Means 'Its your choice') I have never been in a squad so I cant really say...

Im on HL now as -=Xiola=- see you in there, if you can get on.

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 07:50 AM
i wish, but i'm at work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif,

maybe later if u can. U r in GB?

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:
i wish, but i'm at work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif,

maybe later if u can. U r in GB?


Rgr, no probs, yes I am in GB, I have to go out later, but hopefully we can fly soon....

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 07:58 AM
NO. i'm working.

only at 18.00 H . PORTUGAL time

ASAS

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 08:09 AM
keep in coms, Xiolablu

I usually can connect aroud that hour, so if any time this days u can, let me know.~


cya http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

asas

JtD
05-13-2008, 08:59 AM
Hi Asas_Portuga1,

I'm still note quite sure what your problem was with the take offs. I think you corrected too much. Maybe you try to practice that offline a bit, because you will start on the runway there and get more practice per time. If you do, try the following procedure:

- start engine
- lock tailwheel (makes the aircraft go almost straight until the tail comes up)
- throttle up to maximum power
- pull back the stick a little (really just a little)
- drop flaps to take off or combat position, not landing position
- when the tail comes up, you will need to correct the direction with rudder
- then just wait until you take off.

The P-38 and the P-39 both make taking off easier, because they have a forward tricycle landing gear. You only need to use the rudder to keep them on the runway (in the P-38 even this is not necessary) and wait until they take off.

Good luck!

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 09:21 AM
Hi, JTD

your r the RED one from yesterday, yes? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think the prob was that my "Brake " was set to the twist of my joy. But, you r rigth, i need much more take off practice/landing(also).

I notice that online the take off was a litle hard than offline, maybe i'm wrong, but it was my feeling.

i'll do as u said, practice !!! but i'll go aonline again it was fun, although i did not get my self in the air, it was great fun. I proba. will get shoot in the first head to head, and maybe a 1000 times more, but i guess thats part of the learning process.

cheers, M8 and hope to see u online again

ASAS

JtD
05-13-2008, 10:01 AM
Yes, it's me. But I wasn't only red. The brake-rudder-twist explains a lot! I think you will do fine once you fix that.

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 10:06 AM
Asas, make sure the 'twist' of your joystick is set to Rudder/Yaw.

You need to be able to 'steer' with the twist.

Also make sure you map your 'brake' to a key. Pressing the 'brake' allows you to steer more easily with your rudder/yaw.

My Wheel Brake key is mapped somewhere you can find it easily, as its often needed just after you land. to stop your plane, and also when you need to steer hard.

Example :- If you are finding that you need to turn sharp while you are on the runway, press and hold the brake and twist the stick to turn. You will turn much tighter than if you dont hold the brake.


My advice :-

Start up a mission in a plane where you start on the ground, and practice taxiing around the runway using your rudder (yaw) and wheel brake. You will soon get the hang of it. Practice parking your plane at one end of the runway, then moving it to the other end, all without taking off.

By the end of this you will have learned about controlling your plane on the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 10:20 AM
Of couse, u were BLUE also. Sorry, I meant RED with no political connation ...LOL just kidding . u were extremely helpful, thanks for that. Yesterday, I did not had the time to show my appreciation , cause it's a little difficult to what the monitor, write and try to take off, at the same time.

So THANKS
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

cheers

asas

Asas_Portuga1
05-13-2008, 10:23 AM
NICE. i never thougth about practice like that.


thanks

asas

JtD
05-13-2008, 10:30 AM
One more thing:

I think you can only see the last line of the chat. But you can adjust it so that you see as many lines as you want. Open the chat box and grab the lower edge of the box (the lower edge of the whole blue thing) and pull it down.

It is really helpful for everything online. Messages sometimes go through so quickly, that even 3 or 4 lines are not enough.

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
One more thing:

I think you can only see the last line of the chat. But you can adjust it so that you see as many lines as you want. Open the chat box and grab the lower edge of the box (the lower edge of the whole blue thing) and pull it down.

It is really helpful for everything online. Messages sometimes go through so quickly, that even 3 or 4 lines are not enough.

^This is one of hte most important things to do when you first go online.

Just in case you did not understand I will explain again :-

Open the chat box as if you were about to type a chat message.

Now get your mouse pointer and drag the corner of the chat window bigger (like you would on a windows desktop).

Make it so you can see 6 lines of chat.

Otherwise, if you leave it at one line, then you miss a LOT of messages from the server and the chat.

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-13-2008, 11:52 AM
Try Skies~of~Valor. A very good medium-hard server with historic missions. Good admins and mostly good people to fly with.

Welcome!
S!

Xiolablu3
05-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Hi Asas, hope you learned a few things online tonight.

Dont worry about crashing/being shot down, just try and learn something new every flight.

Some of the guys you were fighting tonight have years and years of experience.

Just setting up your important keys and joystick is a good start for your first nights flying online. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Asas_Portuga1
05-14-2008, 02:33 AM
Thanks.

i'll try that server. Maybe we see eacheother online http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Hey... don´t shoot me in sigth, let enjoy a bit LOL



cheer m8
asas

Asas_Portuga1
05-14-2008, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hi Asas, hope you learned a few things online tonight.

Dont worry about crashing/being shot down, just try and learn something new every flight.

Some of the guys you were fighting tonight have years and years of experience.

Just setting up your important keys and joystick is a good start for your first nights flying online. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hi, Xiola

First thanks for your help yesterday, very good experience. Seconded, I wont to apologies for my conduct, toward the BF and especially you ( that were helping me) , cause I must confess he irritate me, cause - my misunderstanding - I thought he was criticize me and he, above all, should help. And although he said that he wasn't, I didn't listed. I did behave vey wrong.

As far as the online experience concerned, it was GREAT, I enjoy a lot , the shooting down and all.

But I must try understand the procedure of the online game. Maybe we meet again, and u can give me same tips.

Thanks a lot


Cheers

ASAS

AnaK774
05-14-2008, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:
thought he was criticize me and he, above all, should help.

ASAS

Sometimes negative feedback helps more...
covering it to roses is luxury that chat window of IL2 wont allow.

Xiolablu3
05-14-2008, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hi Asas, hope you learned a few things online tonight.

Dont worry about crashing/being shot down, just try and learn something new every flight.

Some of the guys you were fighting tonight have years and years of experience.

Just setting up your important keys and joystick is a good start for your first nights flying online. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hi, Xiola

First thanks for your help yesterday, very good experience. Seconded, I wont to apologies for my conduct, toward the BF and especially you ( that were helping me) , cause I must confess he irritate me, cause - my misunderstanding - I thought he was criticize me and he, above all, should help. And although he said that he wasn't, I didn't listed. I did behave vey wrong.

As far as the online experience concerned, it was GREAT, I enjoy a lot , the shooting down and all.

But I must try understand the procedure of the online game. Maybe we meet again, and u can give me same tips.

Thanks a lot


Cheers

ASAS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



The only thing he said was 'You are a patient man, Xiola'.

Meaning that I took the time to help you out even when you kept crashing.

I didnt see him criticize you any more, did he?

SOmetimes people get irritated when someone crashes A LOT of planes, because they have worked hard to try and win the map, and to lose it because someone crashed the planes, sometimes can seem like wasted effort.

But dont worry about it, I didnt even see him criticize you. If I did I would have said something.

Forget about it, look forward to next time.


Oh and about the enemies or friendlies ID question, on that server friendlies have a Named Icon, such as you saw 'Xiola' over my plane.

The enemies have no name.

SO :- If you dont see a name, then shoot him! (The name/icon will show up long before you are in guns range, so if you are closing in and dont see a name on his plane, SHOOT HIM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

klemlao
05-14-2008, 05:26 AM
Hi ASAS

glad to see you're settling in on-line.

As you have already found out, this is a great and helpful community.

Regarding 'behaviour' it's easy to make mistakes and from what you say it seems 'the other guy' wasn't criticising you (whatever that was about). But a couple of key points are important to avoid trouble http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1. Make sure it's an enemy you are firing at - you'd be surprised how easy it is to get that wrong, especially if there are no, or short range, icons.

2. Don't 'shoulder shoot', i.e. shoot over the shoulder of someone in front who is engaged on the target you are both chasing. Similarly, try to be aware of guys close alongside for the same reason or to avoid collision - try to agree who is 'in the saddle'.

I think those are the two points that upset people more than any other. Oh yes, and taking off across the dispersal instead of using the runway - ground collisions are a pain in the a$$ and inexcusable. Some servers forbid it and only allow runway takeoffs. The 'looser' servers may not care too much. It may sound a bit stuffy but doing it right is what a lot of people want and it can make some people really angry if you just tear off in any direction and smash into them.

Ref the text buffer - if you can use Teamspeak that will bring a huge improvement for you and most servers also run their own TS server.

What I was saying about joining a squad can be interpreted instead as 'don't fly alone'. You can of course but you will survive longer and get a lot more out of IL-2 if you fly with others, training, planning attacks, flying formation for cross-cover, etc..

Go get 'em Tiger!

Good luck with your new mates http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gnomie
05-14-2008, 05:58 AM
Just thought I'd shoot in some questions here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I haven't gone online yet (need to get more comfortable offline first, I think -- I only got the game a week ago), but when I do go online I have a few questions:

Do the towers work online? So that we ask for takeoff/landing clearance? I understand that on some (all?) servers players have to land to get their kills registered, so I'd guess that the airfield might see some traffic. Don't want to start taking off while another plane is coming in for the landing..

Second, how do I know which way I'm supposed to take off? It's hard to see whether I'm supposed to go left or right on the runway, since I can't see the end in either direction..

About the "shoulder shooting": do you mean that it's only OK to join an ongoing battle between two planes if my friend is being chased, and not when he's on the offensive? The Online Dogfight guide says that

You are welcome to come into the fight alongside your
comrade, to act as a wingman, but withhold fire so that your teammate can complete the kill.
I'd imagine that it would be kind of hard to know where to draw the line in a combat situation..?

Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I don't have much time for flying these days, but I might just have a quick go online soon, just to get a feel for what it's like. Maybe I'll see some of you guys there.

Xiolablu3
05-14-2008, 06:08 AM
It is hard to work out, Gnomie, but you will work it out over time. The only way to find out is to try http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The towers dont work, you just take off and land on any friednly airfield.


The @Shoulder shooting' thing is quite easy to work out as in 'If someone on my team did that to me would I be annoyed?'

If someone has worked hard for the kill, then somone else barges in and shoots down the damaged plane, obviously the person who has put in the hard work will be annoyed.

What I do is hover around above the fight protecting the friendly from other attacking aircraft. You can almost garuntee another enemy will turn up to help his comrade, then you are there to protect. Far better than two teamates fighting over one kill and making life hard for both of you.

Gnomie
05-14-2008, 06:29 AM
Sound advise, there. The "golden rule" applies again. ("Do onto others as you would want done onto you") http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm still a bit worried about colliding with incoming planes when taking off, though.. I wouldn't want to crash some friendly ace coming home to claim his 9827 kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But I guess the "watch for traffic" rule works both ways.

Looking forward to going online, now. Just wish I didn't have these stupid upcoming exams, so that I could play more.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Thanks for the help, though. Lots of friendly folks here in this community, that's for sure!

ImMoreBetter
05-14-2008, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Gnomie:
Just thought I'd shoot in some questions here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I haven't gone online yet (need to get more comfortable offline first, I think -- I only got the game a week ago), but when I do go online I have a few questions:

Do the towers work online? So that we ask for takeoff/landing clearance? I understand that on some (all?) servers players have to land to get their kills registered, so I'd guess that the airfield might see some traffic. Don't want to start taking off while another plane is coming in for the landing..

No towers, just take off and land as you please.

Just avoid traffic the best you can. Let people go in front of you or whatever. Most people use the taxiway for take off, so the runway is usually open for landing.

Remember to hit the brakes when turning on the ground.



Second, how do I know which way I'm supposed to take off? It's hard to see whether I'm supposed to go left or right on the runway, since I can't see the end in either direction..

Whenever I take off from a new field, I drop my flaps to landing and prepare for a grass take off. Better safe than sorry.



About the "shoulder shooting": do you mean that it's only OK to join an ongoing battle between two planes if my friend is being chased, and not when he's on the offensive? The Online Dogfight guide says that
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You are welcome to come into the fight alongside your
comrade, to act as a wingman, but withhold fire so that your teammate can complete the kill.
I'd imagine that it would be kind of hard to know where to draw the line in a combat situation..? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If an ally is in a fight that they are currently "winning" or neutral, don't attack.

If your friend is on the defensive, people won't usually get mad at you for peeling a bandit off their tail.

If you are nervous that they will, you don't have to shoot down the enemy to scare them off. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



All of these rules, being largely unwritten, are usually spur of the moment decisions. Just use your head; the best way to minimize confrontation.

Whirlin_merlin
05-14-2008, 07:09 AM
The kill steal and shoulder shooting buisness can seem a bit intimidating to new players.
Extreme examples e.g shooting a plane that is dewinged and on fire or shooting a friendly that is between you and the bandit, are obviously but there can be a gray area.
It doesn't help that some people seem to work on the I saw it first, if you shoot it it's a steal principle which is BS.
Also you may see what looks like stealing and interfering but is infact 2 pilots using voice comms and co-ordinating their attacks.
In the end just use common sense, remember it is after all a game (not real war (some seem to get confused)). You will get it wrong sometimes, everyone does/has and a simple sorry goes a long way.
I would also recomend telling your team that you are fairly new to online, someone is bound to offer help and advice. Also as server admin incases like that I give leeway to new pilots as they learn the ropes.

klemlao
05-14-2008, 08:24 AM
Hmmm I didn't want what I wrote to sound like a lecture. As the guys say, it's common sense really.

About the kill stealing, "I saw it first" doesn't count. It's who is engaged that matters and sometimes it's a shared kill (although the guy who hits it last usually gets the credit).

I keep to a simple principle: If it is throwing out very heavy black smoke (engine rapidly dying) or it's on fire I leave it for the guy who earned it, especially if it is running. The exception we all have to accept is if it re-engages, then it's fair game or your buddy may get shot down by it.

You shouldn't use landing flaps for takeoff - too much drag, and you shouldn't use flap at all for takeoff on a Hurricane or Spitfire. Shouldn't? Well, you don't need to and they aren't in RL. Except in a Spit, about 15 degrees of flap off a carrier if your flap is on a slider/rotary, represents the wooden wedges they put in the flaps for takeoff.

"The kill steal and shoulder shooting buisness can seem a bit intimidating to new players"
It can be, some guys like to rip heads off - that's when you need your friends to inject some support and common sense.

"Most people use the taxiway for take off" - Take that man's name!! Put him on bog duty!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Gnomie
05-14-2008, 02:41 PM
What do you guys think is the best way of practicing dogfights against the AI? 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3... or should I bring some buddies along? I was thinking maybe I should try some larger fights with maybe two or three wingmen against a bunch of AI. I'm guessing that you seldom end up in a pure 1 vs 1 online, so maybe it's better to practice big fights offline too?

crucislancer
05-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Gnomie:
What do you guys think is the best way of practicing dogfights against the AI? 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3... or should I bring some buddies along? I was thinking maybe I should try some larger fights with maybe two or three wingmen against a bunch of AI. I'm guessing that you seldom end up in a pure 1 vs 1 online, so maybe it's better to practice big fights offline too?

I think you should go 16 vs 16. Some DF servers can get pretty crowded, like Skies of Valor, and practicing in that kind of environment will help your situational awareness. Set all of the skills to Ace and just have at it. Make sure that you select historical opponents, though, since servers like Skies of Valor and UK Dedicated use historical plane sets. Save it, and then start another one that has the same planes, except that you are on the other side (blue instead of red for instance). This will help you learn both sides of the equation (know your plane and your enemies plane), as well as having a good foundation if you are asked to switch sides for team balance or just want a change of pace.

Asas_Portuga1
05-15-2008, 07:26 AM
(quote)
What do you guys think is the best way of practicing dogfights against the AI? 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3... or should I bring some buddies along? I was thinking maybe I should try some larger fights with maybe two or three wingmen against a bunch of AI. I'm guessing that you seldom end up in a pure 1 vs 1 online, so maybe it's better to practice big fights offline too?(quote)

Cheers m8,

I'm no expert, as u can easily can see by my posts, and there's others in this Forum with way to much experience and knowledge to help u, such as Xiola, and Seafire, M-gunz, Bearcat99 and so on . but I can give a tip that those guys gave to me: to fight an AI pilot, the best way is to go head to head, cause if o engage to many AI, the dogfight is so intense and fast , that you rapidly lose control of the position of AI and Friendly .

To train, is best this way, I guess. But as I said, this is one man opinion, and I'm no specialist.

C ya

ASAS

Asas_Portuga1
05-15-2008, 07:31 AM
gnomie,

don´t mind my first post. i thoutgh u were talking about offline.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cheers

asas

flyingloon
05-15-2008, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:

It doesn't help that some people seem to work on the I saw it first, if you shoot it it's a steal principle which is BS.

oh lol, yeah i've come across that... bandit, 1k seperation and i can see him getting further away from my team mate, who hasn't even fired at the bandit. i'm sat about 800m+ higher as they go from my 9 to 3 oclock, swoop down and dewing the bandit to cries of "killstealer" ... but dude, you weren't even engaged!

i fly on the principle of knock the enemy out of the sky, as quickly as possible and as a team. i am more than happy to make a pass on a bandit and cause damage then have the bastich sent down by someone following behind me, in a BnZ merry go round. i don't engage when a team mate is obviously working a target over, but it can be useful to simply ask "free to engage?" when they go into a climb after an attack. most people are as happy as i am to get the targets down jointly and don't give too much regard to getting the points. if you feel unsure, hang back, get height, cover them and ask.

SeaFireLIV
05-15-2008, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:


If your friend is on the defensive, people won't usually get mad at you for peeling a bandit off their tail.

.

Wish one could be so sure. I was above a Spit fighting a 109 when the 109 got the upper hand and the Spit was clearly in trouble. I swooped in and took down the 109 and the Spit pilot whined at me for taking his kill! But he would`ve been shot down had I not helped.

reminds me when I went on my first (and only) foray on to a server in NeverWinterNights as a fresh rookie warrior. I was in a dungeon and came across this dwarf surrounded by skeletons trying to kill him. Immediately, I joined in to help the dwarf. After the battle was won the dwarf said,

"You took my kills."
""I thought you needed help."
"I didn`t, *******." He said, in with the insults already.

"Ok, keep your hair on," I replied in chat.
He instantly killed me with his ax. He must`ve been level 10 or something cos death was instant. What a jerk. Even if he never needed help at least it`s the thought that counts. I left.

That`s what happens when you play with kids.

DKoor
05-15-2008, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:


If your friend is on the defensive, people won't usually get mad at you for peeling a bandit off their tail.

.

Wish one could be so sure. I was above a Spit fighting a 109 when the 109 got the upper hand and the Spit was clearly in trouble. I swooped in and took down the 109 and the Spit pilot whined at me for taking his kill! But he would`ve been shot down had I not helped.

reminds me when I went on my first (and only) foray on to a server in NeverWinterNights as a fresh rookie warrior. I was in a dungeon and came across this dwarf surrounded by skeletons trying to kill him. Immediately, I joined in to help the dwarf. After the battle was won the dwarf said,

"You took my kills."
""I thought you needed help."
"I didn`t, *******." He said, in with the insults already.

"Ok, keep your hair on," I replied in chat.
He instantly killed me with his ax. He must`ve been level 10 or something cos death was instant. What a jerk. Even if he never needed help at least it`s the thought that counts. I left.

That`s what happens when you play with kids. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The best of it all being had he been in your skin and you in his, he would do probably the same thing and you would probably thank him for that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif .

I agree... there is too much spoiled children online who thinks that everyone outhere is for their own amusement and all should bend over as soon as enters the cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif .

But the real trouble is if those little jerks are actually representing some kind of power on those servers... then it usually turns into a real tard fest.

I felt it on my own skin (as most of us have), but as I pointed out it took another dimension once when I got kicked for KS'ing.

Now luckily for me and unluckily for the server mod, I happened to have a track of the mentioned event http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

And so... after I more or less kindly posted a message to that mod via Hyperlobby messaging system, I never got reply... so I decided to play a game, his game really http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - I actually threatened him that I'll go on the server forum and post the track so everyone could see that I'm actually the one who got KS'ed... which is a far cry from being KS'er http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif ... then he replied something in a manner "no, you are" typical children response.

Anyhow I went on the forum, posted a track, after a few replies by other mods "we will consider this" etc. etc. the thread went on two pages... the best of it all, there wasn't anything really left to consider everything was really nigh & day situation, a school case of bullying in action.

Now after several posts they finally said how he was wrong to kick me... lol. A miracle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

And in the heat of the discussion they kicked Daiichidoku who opted on my side... I felt quite bad for that afterwards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif .

Well after that I haven't played on that server... and I don't see it on HL anymore either...

********

Some time ago I went online for a quick fun on arcade server... grabbed a P-38, loaded it with bombs and went to enemy base. I reached enemy base in more or less one piece, did a loop over their field at which point I got one or two 37mm hits from the Cobra who chased me and also few AAA hits... I nosed over and found myself directly over their runway. Without rudder heavily smoking and overall in the situation where I couldn't really expect to survive another 10sec. I crashed directly at their runway. Took one aircraft with me and damaged another.

And got myself attacked by a mod why I did that.
I apologized http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . Sure I was wrong to kamikaze at them I should just do anything in my power to avoid crashing on them...
Yet somehow the overall tone of the mod just wasn't professional enough... but bearing in mind that actually I was wrong there, as crashing onto another plane qualifies as intentional ramming attack I endured my verbal punishment like a man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Few days ago I checked out the that server site and by accident run onto "unsatisfied user" comment... and you've guessed it - he was not satisfied with the mod who chased me on that server.
They both exchanged bad language etc... well.
Somehow I don't have any doubt who ended up hanging out to dry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif .

It happens.
When anyone can be a server mod http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

crucislancer
05-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by flyingloon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:

It doesn't help that some people seem to work on the I saw it first, if you shoot it it's a steal principle which is BS.

oh lol, yeah i've come across that... bandit, 1k seperation and i can see him getting further away from my team mate, who hasn't even fired at the bandit. i'm sat about 800m+ higher as they go from my 9 to 3 oclock, swoop down and dewing the bandit to cries of "killstealer" ... but dude, you weren't even engaged!

i fly on the principle of knock the enemy out of the sky, as quickly as possible and as a team. i am more than happy to make a pass on a bandit and cause damage then have the bastich sent down by someone following behind me, in a BnZ merry go round. i don't engage when a team mate is obviously working a target over, but it can be useful to simply ask "free to engage?" when they go into a climb after an attack. most people are as happy as i am to get the targets down jointly and don't give too much regard to getting the points. if you feel unsure, hang back, get height, cover them and ask. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm all for playing as a team, and there are some servers that are better for that then others, and then obviously co-ops team play is required. However, I've always felt that there should be a certain amount of respect for your fellow players and allow them to deal with their targets until they ask for help. More then once I've been in a situation where I would call the nearest friendly over to finish someone off because I ran out of ammo. Of course, depending on the server sometimes all you have to do is roll out of the way and someone is there to take over.

Some folks don't feel that way, considering any plane that is functioning to be a target, whether engaged or not. That's fine, that's their opinion. But I've been in the position before of working really hard for a kill, and I'm not talking about 1km away, this is under 200m, enemy on the defensive, a non critical hit or two on him, and then out of nowhere a teammate will take that shot. "Thanks for the assist!" he says. I think that's disrespectful, considering that some of these servers are full of targets that aren't being engaged.

This isn't about points. If I cared about that, I would never go online again because my score is usually really low, if I get anything at all. This is about a test of skill that you feel you can complete, that you want to complete, only to have it taken from you by someone who figures he can get a quick kill while you do all the work.

Gnomie
05-15-2008, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gnomie:
What do you guys think is the best way of practicing dogfights against the AI? 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3... or should I bring some buddies along? I was thinking maybe I should try some larger fights with maybe two or three wingmen against a bunch of AI. I'm guessing that you seldom end up in a pure 1 vs 1 online, so maybe it's better to practice big fights offline too?

I think you should go 16 vs 16. Some DF servers can get pretty crowded, like Skies of Valor, and practicing in that kind of environment will help your situational awareness. Set all of the skills to Ace and just have at it. Make sure that you select historical opponents, though, since servers like Skies of Valor and UK Dedicated use historical plane sets. Save it, and then start another one that has the same planes, except that you are on the other side (blue instead of red for instance). This will help you learn both sides of the equation (know your plane and your enemies plane), as well as having a good foundation if you are asked to switch sides for team balance or just want a change of pace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a go at this today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My side was flying Spits or LA-7 vs enemy 109's. Damn it's hard to keep an eye over your shoulder while chasing an enemy!! Often when I was just closing in on the kill I'd forget to look around me, and then **BAM** Gnomie was swimming with the fish. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Most of the time I seemed to have my hands full evading the enemy rather than scoring any kills. I guess that will improve with more practice though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think you're right that it's an excellent way of improving my situational awareness, though. Yesterday I had an appalling 1-4 kill tally when flying 1 vs 2 enemy Veterans. Today I had a 4-0 tally flying 1 vs 2 Aces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A question though: I've been mainly flying the LA-7 so far, as recommended by the dogfighting guide. How does this plane compare to the Spitfire in terms of handling characteristics? I had a go with the Spit real quick and the cockpit visibility was annoyingly bad, so for that reason I've been sticking to the La-7 for now. However if the Spit is more commonly flown online I guess that's the plane I should practice with..

klemlao
05-15-2008, 03:35 PM
Hi Gnomie

The LA7 is a god turnfighter as is the Spit. Roughly, it's about 15% faster than the Spit 9, climbs about 30% faster and is marginally better in the turn. It's a very good aeroplane. The Spit on the other hand is very forgiving, doesn't spin easily and is easy to recover.

Your 'Hard looking over the shoulder' and bad visibilty in some aircraft is the main reason why we don't fly alone - you need cross cover in the cruise and someone at your back when attacking.

Asas_Portuga1
05-17-2008, 03:17 AM
Hi ,

let me ask u guys a Q. Since i only went online a couple times, GREAT experience by the way, never leave take off the first time and shoot down quqly the second http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but good all the same, MY Question is for a Noob, what aircraft should i choose to fly online, or maybe i should ask if i'm just, as u guys call a "sitting Duck" if i fly by my self, whit no help.?

cheers


asas

Whirlin_merlin
05-17-2008, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:

MY Question is for a Noob, what aircraft should i choose to fly online,.?

cheers


asas

My answer to that is whatever floats your boat.
I long ago acepted that I ain't no ace and will get blown to bits anyway so I fly what ever takes my fancy.

Xiolablu3
05-17-2008, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Gnomie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gnomie:
What do you guys think is the best way of practicing dogfights against the AI? 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3... or should I bring some buddies along? I was thinking maybe I should try some larger fights with maybe two or three wingmen against a bunch of AI. I'm guessing that you seldom end up in a pure 1 vs 1 online, so maybe it's better to practice big fights offline too?

I think you should go 16 vs 16. Some DF servers can get pretty crowded, like Skies of Valor, and practicing in that kind of environment will help your situational awareness. Set all of the skills to Ace and just have at it. Make sure that you select historical opponents, though, since servers like Skies of Valor and UK Dedicated use historical plane sets. Save it, and then start another one that has the same planes, except that you are on the other side (blue instead of red for instance). This will help you learn both sides of the equation (know your plane and your enemies plane), as well as having a good foundation if you are asked to switch sides for team balance or just want a change of pace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a go at this today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My side was flying Spits or LA-7 vs enemy 109's. Damn it's hard to keep an eye over your shoulder while chasing an enemy!! Often when I was just closing in on the kill I'd forget to look around me, and then **BAM** Gnomie was swimming with the fish. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Most of the time I seemed to have my hands full evading the enemy rather than scoring any kills. I guess that will improve with more practice though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think you're right that it's an excellent way of improving my situational awareness, though. Yesterday I had an appalling 1-4 kill tally when flying 1 vs 2 enemy Veterans. Today I had a 4-0 tally flying 1 vs 2 Aces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A question though: I've been mainly flying the LA-7 so far, as recommended by the dogfighting guide. How does this plane compare to the Spitfire in terms of handling characteristics? I had a go with the Spit real quick and the cockpit visibility was annoyingly bad, so for that reason I've been sticking to the La-7 for now. However if the Spit is more commonly flown online I guess that's the plane I should practice with.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mate, you picked the hardest server you could have started on, no icons, full cockpit, full real, no outside views.

You might be better starting on a server with easier settings such as the SKies of Valor, Ukded2, Ukded1/SOF servers, which are much more fun-based.

Its really really hard to ID planes even for a veteren on S vs 109s, you would be better with a server with at LEAST friendly icons so you know that if you dont see an icon you can shoot.

Spitfire, Bf109, La5, Zero are all good starters planes as they are quite forgiving to rough treatment.

You should look into learning energy management as quick as possible however.

You see those guys high in the sky who zoom down, shoot at you and zoom away, without you able toget a shot? THATS what you want to be doing, not turning around in teh weeds being a 'sitting duck'.

Xiolablu3
05-17-2008, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:

MY Question is for a Noob, what aircraft should i choose to fly online,.?

cheers


asas

My answer to that is whatever floats your boat.
I long ago acepted that I ain't no ace and will get blown to bits anyway so I fly what ever takes my fancy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being an ace is just about thinking, mate. Its nothing really to do with yanking the stick arounmd succesfully.

Its more like a game of chess, thinking out your next move.

If it degenrates into stick yanking dogfight, then you've done something wrong.

I really do believe ANYONE can be an Ace, it just means thinking and patience.

Whirlin_merlin
05-17-2008, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:

MY Question is for a Noob, what aircraft should i choose to fly online,.?

cheers


asas

My answer to that is whatever floats your boat.
I long ago acepted that I ain't no ace and will get blown to bits anyway so I fly what ever takes my fancy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being an ace is just about thinking, mate. Its nothing really to do with yanking the stick arounmd succesfully.

Its more like a game of chess, thinking out your next move.

If it degenrates into stick yanking dogfight, then you've done something wrong.

I really do believe ANYONE can be an Ace, it just means thinking and patience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are quite right, and when I decide to fly smart I do all right. Strangly I then get abit bored and cheer myself up with a nice suicidal stuka run or two.

DKoor
05-17-2008, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Asas_Portuga1:

MY Question is for a Noob, what aircraft should i choose to fly online,.?

cheers


asas

My answer to that is whatever floats your boat.
I long ago acepted that I ain't no ace and will get blown to bits anyway so I fly what ever takes my fancy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being an ace is just about thinking, mate. Its nothing really to do with yanking the stick arounmd succesfully.

Its more like a game of chess, thinking out your next move.

If it degenrates into stick yanking dogfight, then you've done something wrong.

I really do believe ANYONE can be an Ace, it just means thinking and patience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are quite right, and when I decide to fly smart I do all right. Strangly I then get abit bored and cheer myself up with a nice suicidal stuka run or two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This should be in a total newbie guide as well.

As being one of the most important things all around.

That smart thinking, and not "your flying skillzor need to be teh 1337", learn to shoot and all other wonderful hints one may usually pick up at UBI.

Of course all this doesn't mean that one cannot fly with max risk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif and mix it up constantly.

Asas_Portuga1
05-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Thanks Merlin. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm not an Ace myself, as i told u, not even close , but i guess if i practice enouth, maybe, just maybe, i could get to be a good pilot and thats OK for me. Fortunatly (?), several members of this forum, had been most helpful, so ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

cheers

asas

Gnomie
05-17-2008, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Mate, you picked the hardest server you could have started on, no icons, full cockpit, full real, no outside views.

You might be better starting on a server with easier settings such as the SKies of Valor, Ukded2, Ukded1/SOF servers, which are much more fun-based.

Its really really hard to ID planes even for a veteren on S vs 109s, you would be better with a server with at LEAST friendly icons so you know that if you dont see an icon you can shoot.

Spitfire, Bf109, La5, Zero are all good starters planes as they are quite forgiving to rough treatment.

You should look into learning energy management as quick as possible however.

You see those guys high in the sky who zoom down, shoot at you and zoom away, without you able toget a shot? THATS what you want to be doing, not turning around in teh weeds being a 'sitting duck'.
Hi!

I didn't actually go online yet, though. I was talking about offline dogfights 16 vs 16. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll keep your advice in mind when I do!

Until today I though that in quick combat, my side was always limited to 13 planes vs. the enemy's 16. I didn't realise that I could have up to three AI flying the same plane as I do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It appears that those are pretty much my wingmen, following me around. At least it seemed that they would deal with enemies trying to get on my tail while I was busy pursuing someone else. Now I'm doing much better! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hopefully once my first final is done on Tuesday I'll be able to go online for the first time to see what it's like.

Gnomie
05-20-2008, 07:42 AM
Today I'm going to go online for the first time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I've downloaded TeamSpeak and Hyperlobby. HL seems to be working just fine, but I'm having some trouble with TeamSpeak. I can't map a button on my joystick as "push to talk", for some reason. Also, I've tried the "start recording" button to test if the sound is even working, but the soundfile that was created was empty.. even when I used a button on my keyboard as "push to talk". :/

Also, how do I figure out the IP adress of a server? TeamSpeak needs this, but I can't find that information in HL when I click on a server.

Thanks!

klemlao
05-20-2008, 05:36 PM
Hi Gnomie

I assume you have looked at Settings... Sound Input/Output settings to confirm that you have selected 'Push to Talk' and you know which key is being used for that (default = F12 I think).

So from there it's just a matter of programming your push to talk stick button as F12, or whatever.

As for recording I am guessing you are talking about sound recorder in Windows. In there you press the red blob button to record then stop and rewind and play - and that is a good check that your mic is working ok. If it isn't open the Sound Control panel from sound recorder (Edit... Audio Properties......Click Sound Recording Volume button.. Ensure that the Microphone is selected... click on the Advanced button and ensure the mic boost (or mic +20db) box is checked and try again.

When that is working ok, open TS and goto Settings... Input/Output settings and try the 'Activate local test mode' test. You should hear yourself talking. Then you are up and running.

Xiolablu3
05-20-2008, 06:17 PM
Hi Gnomie, for Teamspeak you dont need the IP of the actual game server, just the TEAMSPEAK server, its different.

For example, UKdedicated Teamspeak they did a walkthrough on how to set it up for their Teamspeak server...

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php...ht=teamspeak+letmein (http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?t=11672&highlight=teamspeak+letmein)


[Ukded] Happy's excellent Teamspeak flyer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p88/happywaterborne/TSpromotionpostercopycopy.jpg


General Forums...

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/forumdisplay.php?f=36

Gnomie
05-21-2008, 01:53 AM
Dammit.. I lost my internet connection last night, so I didn't get to go online anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'll try again tonight.


Originally posted by klemlao:
When that is working ok, open TS and goto Settings... Input/Output settings and try the 'Activate local test mode' test. You should hear yourself talking. Then you are up and running.
Ah.. there we go, it's working now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was messing around in the dropdown menu called "recording". Now it's fine.

Thanks for the help guys! Now I should finally be set to go.

Skoshi Tiger
05-21-2008, 05:18 AM
reminds me when I went on my first (and only) foray on to a server in NeverWinterNights as a fresh rookie warrior. I was in a dungeon and came across this dwarf surrounded by skeletons trying to kill him. Immediately, I joined in to help the dwarf. After the battle was won the dwarf said,

"You took my kills."
""I thought you needed help."
"I didn`t, *******." He said, in with the insults already.

"Ok, keep your hair on," I replied in chat.
He instantly killed me with his ax. He must`ve been level 10 or something cos death was instant. What a jerk. Even if he never needed help at least it`s the thought that counts. I left.

Hey I think he was just playing in character!
Dwaves are like that!