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HETZER1944
12-18-2005, 03:18 PM
I'm currently on my sixth patrol out of St. Nazaire. It's late May of 1941 and I'm about halfway to my patrol area just south of Iceland. I believe the grid is AE88. Can any of my fellow Kaleuns tell me what to expect in the way of enemy air activity? I haven't seen any enemy planes in previous patrols. Are there aircraft based in Iceland? Do they operate at night? The weather's been lousy but I know it could clear in the next few days. Any previous experiences you could relate would be appreciated. -der Hetzer.

NaturalBornGoth
12-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Plane activity is few and far between that early in the war. I had the occasional patrol flight once in a while but nothing to worry about, really. I only encountered daytime operation back then.

This changes during 1943 when radar becomes widely available among Allied forces. Plane activity intensifies more and more and they also begin to operate at night and even start to hit their bombs right on the mark when it's pitch black and you don't take any evasive actions.

A radar warning device is an imperative piece of equipment when those times have come. Buy it, because this little piece of work is your best, and sometimes the only, chance for an early warning about incoming planes and Destroyers.

Kaleun1961
12-18-2005, 04:54 PM
When you get jumped at night by a radar-equipped plane, does it make its attack run with a searchlight on? If not, then it is a flaw in the game, as historically searchlights would be required to illuminate the U-boat in order to attack accurately.

NaturalBornGoth
12-18-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
When you get jumped at night by a radar-equipped plane, does it make its attack run with a searchlight on? If not, then it is a flaw in the game, as historically searchlights would be required to illuminate the U-boat in order to attack accurately.

Nope... no searchlights. You can hardly see the planes and when you hear 'em it's already too late and the bombs splash down any second.

vanjast
12-19-2005, 01:20 AM
So they refuse to give Pilot Officer Leigh any credit for his light ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Goose_Green
12-19-2005, 01:35 AM
For those who want to know what a Leigh light looks like...here it is

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1013/dsc00041a3gz.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00041a3gz.jpg)

I found this example at the RAF mueseum at Hendon, London. Image quality not too bad but it was taken using a cellular phone

codylang820
12-19-2005, 01:41 AM
i dont no if i should really go from 42 to 43 i am new to the game so i might stay with 1942 just to not get raped by planes and etc and stuff that is to advanced for me,but i still do not no yet if i should go to 1943

vanjast
12-19-2005, 01:46 AM
That looks like a developed version. yonks ago I saw a photo, as well as a documentary on Leigh, where the light sat permanently in the slipstream on the left wing. It had a fixed focal point to where the radar range became in-effective (a few 100m).

As they hit this point they switched on the light for the final bomb(DC)run. Old Leigh said that they surprise factor on the U-Boat crews was so great, that there usually was no return fire (The AAA probably was not manned at night).
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Goose_Green
12-19-2005, 02:36 AM
To my understanding this light was taken from a Wellington bomber. The front machine gun turret was swapped for the light, the light was adapted to use the turret mechanism.

A little off topic but here are some shots of a rack of 4 depth charges attached to the port side wing of a Sunderland

Exterior

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9458/dsc00045a8bc.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00045a8bc.jpg)

Interior

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7462/dsc00049a7wy.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00049a7wy.jpg)

When a U boat was spotted the racks were loaded up inside and then moved outside. The doors would be closed - all this done before the pilot's attack run. It is possible the Sunderland could have a large inventory so it can be re-loaded for repeated attacks. - A scary thought for us Kaleuns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

All photos taken from the RAF Museum at Hendon.

VikingGrandad
12-19-2005, 04:04 AM
...When a U boat was spotted the racks were loaded up inside and then moved outside. The doors would be closed - all this done before the pilot's attack run. It is possible the Sunderland could have a large inventory so it can be re-loaded for repeated attacks. - A scary thought for us Kaleuns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Another innaccuracy in SH3 - I don't think Sunderlands reload their depth charges... I was attacked by a swarm of 6 Sunderlands near Scotland last night (I had no battery power left so was cruising on the surface during the day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif). I (unrealistically) dodged all their depth charges by zig-zagging at top speed, taking only 20-30% hull damage from near misses. Then, when they came in for their 2nd or 3rd attack runs, they just dived and sprayed bullets at me - no more depth charges. I shot 4 of them down and the other 2 limped away in flames.

More info on Leigh lights:

http://uboat.net/allies/technical/leigh_light.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Light

http://www.subart.net/u-boat%20&%20leigh%20light.htm

http://gmam.ca/art_sshow_9.htm

It would be great if someone could mod this missing feature into SH3.

W.Irving
12-19-2005, 04:50 AM
There is a mod that adds the Leigh light, or at mimics it by giving the Sunderland a searchlight. It's the same mod that gives merchant ships searchlights. I have yet to come across the pseudo-Leigh light, but I am confident I will require a change of underwear once the time has come.

RosenbauU73
12-19-2005, 05:16 AM
Hi
I was going to say the same W.Irving that there is a mod that put searchlight on planes and ships but you forget to put a link so here it is people
Features:

"Leigh Lights" for all large aircraft:
-Catalina
-Wellington
-Sunderland
-Liberator

(smaller aircraft could not carry such equipment, so they don't get anything )

Single spotlights for dry cargo ships:
-Coastal Merchant/Tramp Steamer
-Small Merchant
-C2/Medium Merchant
-C3/Large Merchant
-Liberty Cargo
-Victory Cargo

Spotlights for transport ships:
-Troop Ship (1 spotlight)
-Passenger Liner (2 spotlights)

Tankers probably don't want to attract any more attention to themselves than they should, so they get nothing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://freefilehosting.net/?id=qtv8mqjd

NaturalBornGoth
12-19-2005, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by codylang820:
i dont no if i should really go from 42 to 43 i am new to the game so i might stay with 1942 just to not get raped by planes and etc and stuff that is to advanced for me,but i still do not no yet if i should go to 1943

The planes aren't that much of a problem. Usually you can dodge them, as stated by Viking, by zig-zaggin or crashdiving without taking any (major) damage. But they sure are annoying, because sometimes they won't let you surface long enough to get external torpedoes inside or to recharge the batteries. Even the snorkel isn't sufficient to get them off your back. You have to run deep and silent otherwise they will still spot you beneath the surface.

As of 1943 the destroyers and other patrols are the real danger. Attacking convoys becomes almost suicidal, because i had them spot me sometimes while running silent and never braking the waves. I suppose they ping randomly, just to make sure. Or my boat is too loud, even on slow ahead.

RosenbauU73
12-19-2005, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by NaturalBornGoth:
The planes aren't that much of a problem.
I suppose they ping randomly, just to make sure. Or my boat is too loud, even on slow ahead.
Hi
But they should be one of the best weapons to kill Uboats like on real life,yes the destroyers some times they do a ping randomly because I was several times full stop and still get them all over me.