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ojcar1971
02-21-2006, 11:36 AM
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:
Why so poor Guadalcanal and Solomons?
Why not New Guinea?
Why not CBI?
Why not Filipinas?
Why our P 38's can't be used until very late at the war?
Why not RAF campaing?
Why not Ki 44, Ki 43 II, nor IJAAF bombers?
Why not flying tigers?
Why not russians vs japs 1945?
I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

LEBillfish
02-21-2006, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:
Why so poor Guadalcanal and Solomons?
Why not New Guinea?
Why not CBI?
Why not Filipinas?
Why our P 38's can't be used until very late at the war?
Why not RAF campaing?
Why not Ki 44, Ki 43 II, nor IJAAF bombers?
Why not flying tigers?
Why not russians vs japs 1945?
I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

the last line of the post seems a little "too" intuitive for 2 days as a member
.........anyone sense a Targetware advertisement coming?

IBTL

slo_one23
02-21-2006, 11:52 AM
heh heh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif
(please note that i have been here since last yerar i just kept losing paswords to accounts wich ar eall slo123 in some variation)

ojcar1971
02-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:
Why so poor Guadalcanal and Solomons?
Why not New Guinea?
Why not CBI?
Why not Filipinas?
Why our P 38's can't be used until very late at the war?
Why not RAF campaing?
Why not Ki 44, Ki 43 II, nor IJAAF bombers?
Why not flying tigers?
Why not russians vs japs 1945?
I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

the last line of the post seems a little "too" intuitive for 2 days as a member
.........anyone sense a Targetware advertisement coming?

IBTL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If you think I'm intuitive, tell me when saw combat (real combat, not some Do335 fleeing) the Do 335, Gotha, Li 2, Bf 109 Z...
Compare it with the HUGUE number of battles in Burma and New Guinea with planes as the Ki 44 and Ki 43 II

SaQSoN
02-21-2006, 12:38 PM
I affraid, there were more Li-2 built in total, then the Ki-44. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not speaking of the fact, that the number of men, planes and other equipment (not counting ships http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), that took part at the ETO is by far much larger, then that at the PTO.
And on the dessert, there will be an add-on with Russians vs Japanese 1945

hi_stik
02-21-2006, 12:52 PM
I must say I was very disappointed to not see any of the meat of the PTO campaigns/maps in this game.

J_Anonymous
02-21-2006, 01:44 PM
Thank you SaQSoN for the dessert menu that has Bold letters. I appreciate that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I am still hungry after 4.03 and will order a dessert.

Personally I would be surprised if Flying Tigers ever appears in this game. Somehow nobody talks about it here, but didn't they use the marking of what is now a part of the flag of Taiwan? It's a very sensitive issue in east Asia, and nobody can be immune from that if they want to market their products in China.

Nimits
02-21-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
I affraid, there were more Li-2 built in total, then the Ki-44. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not speaking of the fact, that the number of men, planes and other equipment (not counting ships http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), that took part at the ETO is by far much larger, then that at the PTO.


So? The number of license-built Li-2s has (or should have) zero bearing on why PF does not have a map of the Upper Solomons, or why we a couple dozen different flyable Bf-109s variants buyt no flyable Ki-44s or Ki-43 IIs. There may be other reasons for said omissions, but the relative number of American-designed, Russian-built two-engine transports is not one of them.

VW-IceFire
02-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Are you guys talking about campaigns included in the game or the vast array of campaigns that alot of us have been working on or already finished that some of you folks are seemingly ignoring?

There are now campaigns out for many Pacific battles and more incoming.

Sakai Campaign (Zeros!) - http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns.htm#051

Kokoda Trail (5th Air Force in New Guinea) - http://ftp.ubi.com/uk/pacificfighters/missions/Kokoda_C...Pacific_Fighters.zip (http://ftp.ubi.com/uk/pacificfighters/missions/Kokoda_Campaign_for_Pacific_Fighters.zip)

Just a few that come to mind....I'm currently polishing my defenders of Kyushu campaign called "The Setting Sun" where you fly Ki-61's and later Ki-100's against the Allies.

There are ALOT of efforts by the communities mission builders to take what Oleg and his team have provided and turn out some quality missions and campaigns. Is this what this topic is about or not? Because if it is then maybe you folks need to download some of these campaigns and have a go...some of them are absolutely superb.

nakamura_kenji
02-21-2006, 03:25 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/ki43_2a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/ki43_2b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/ki43_2c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/ki43_2d.jpg

ki-43-II pit no sure if oleg acept but hope without burma map little point ki-43-II main ija fighter burma remmber if right

Chuck_Older
02-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:
Why so poor Guadalcanal and Solomons?
Why not New Guinea?
Why not CBI?
Why not Filipinas?
Why our P 38's can't be used until very late at the war?
Why not RAF campaing?
Why not Ki 44, Ki 43 II, nor IJAAF bombers?
Why not flying tigers?
Why not russians vs japs 1945?
I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

In order:

map troubles
map issue
CBI is pretty big...there's no map for it
no map
beats me
couldn't say
they haven't been made yet
Flying Tigers? http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_wtcf.htm
because USSR decalred war so late

A lot of people don't understand the evolution of the Bf 109, for instance, they don't know the F model was really an airframe redesign. It's an important aircraft

The 'never flew' models are very misunderstood. people seem to think they were made, so other planes or maps or other stuff didn't get in the sim or something because they took time away from more 'important' projects. That's not how it works at all. They were submitted by 3rd party modellers- you got those planes as a bonus, not instead of other things http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SaQSoN
02-21-2006, 04:44 PM
why we a couple dozen different flyable Bf-109s variants buyt no flyable Ki-44s or Ki-43 IIs.
Sorry, there are not any single variant of the Bf-109 in the PF. Neither 4.03 adds any "Euro" stuff to that title. Or does it? Huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

vocatx
02-21-2006, 05:09 PM
Pacific campaigns? Try Chuck Older's "When Tigers Could Fly". Also, a friend of mine made a series of co-op missions, meant to be flown in sequence to form a campaign. Give "Philippines 1941 by Ccrashh" a try. You can find these and more at airwarfare.com.

Yes, there are a lot of omissions in Pacific Fighters, but it's still the BEST WWII flight sim around, and with FREE additional content, you can't beat it with a stick. I would love to have the Ki-27 and Ki-43II flyable...in fact, I've already started planning a campaign around these two myself. Maybe one day...until then, I'm more than happy with what we DO have.

ojcar1971
02-21-2006, 05:43 PM
Sorry if I'm offended you, I'm VERY happy with Pf and IL2, and there is a lot of people working VERY hard, but I think that IN COMPARATION, Pacific theatre is more "patchy" than East Front. 3rd party campaings are fantastic, but I remember the old Aces of the Pacific. It has a more complete campaing mode

Treetop64
02-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:
Why so poor Guadalcanal and Solomons?
Why not New Guinea?
Why not CBI?
Why not Filipinas?
Why our P 38's can't be used until very late at the war?
Why not RAF campaing?
Why not Ki 44, Ki 43 II, nor IJAAF bombers?
Why not flying tigers?
Why not russians vs japs 1945?
I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

the last line of the post seems a little "too" intuitive for 2 days as a member
.........anyone sense a Targetware advertisement coming?

IBTL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell! I think it's ALL a little too intuitive for a two day old!

Sure wouldn't put it past them, though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Tater-SW-
02-21-2006, 06:58 PM
Two reasons.

1. Lack of IJAAF aircraft (bombers---which is to say NONE AT ALL)

2. No appropriate maps save the Papua map, and that is only good for a few weeks of fighting.

PF has maps that only allow CV based fights to progress around the map which is unfortunate since the naval aspect of the game is very much an add-on and not well developed. The land-based air war is really far better suited for the Il-2 engine, but it required very careful attention to the maps to maximize the time period for combat between forces where both side's airfields are on the same map. CBI, actual New Guinea (not Papua), and the Philipines would really have been the best bet. The Philipines partially because the masses of islands would provide island to island missions to fake other areas in addition to allowing very early war and later war combat.

tater

CombatAce_MK2
02-21-2006, 09:41 PM
Go here for a huge add on that lets you play all osrts of new DGEN campaigns . It is called True Pacific DGEN:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=003410 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=003410)

If you want the latest DGEN patches and add aon campaigns (before you install the above) find it here:

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?download=2033

jarink
02-21-2006, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by ojcar1971:
but I think that IN COMPARATION, Pacific theatre is more "patchy" than East Front.

It's still better than what's currently available for the Mediterranean theater (currently only a couple of tiny dogfight maps). It hepls to remember (or relaise for the firt time) that this sim was made by a Russian company primarily for the Russian market. I think most Russians care as much for the PTO as most Americans care about the Eastern Front.

It's still a wonderful sim and far better than anything else available.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Nimits
02-21-2006, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">why we a couple dozen different flyable Bf-109s variants buyt no flyable Ki-44s or Ki-43 IIs.
Sorry, there are not any single variant of the Bf-109 in the PF. Neither 4.03 adds any "Euro" stuff to that title. Or does it? Huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FB+AEP+PF=Merged Install

Merged install has 20+ variants of Bf-109, no Ki-43 II, no Ki-44.

SaQSoN
02-22-2006, 12:36 AM
FB+AEP+PF=Merged Install

Merged install has 20+ variants of Bf-109, no Ki-43 II, no Ki-44.

No body forces you to do the merged install. The compatibility between FB and PF is a BONUS, requested by majority of this forum population.
There is NOT A SINGLE Bf-109 variant in the PF. Period. Despite the fact, Japan did have few of them.

JG53Frankyboy
02-22-2006, 01:54 AM
actually some people sometimes forgett as what this gameseries started........... over 5 years ago.

and as what Pacific Fighters in the first steps wanted to be.......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

just to ad, im not a huge fan of the eastern front, i like the pacific aerial warfare a lot...... but the game started with the eastern front.

Nimits
02-22-2006, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
No body forces you to do the merged install. The compatibility between FB and PF is a BONUS, requested by majority of this forum population.
There is NOT A SINGLE Bf-109 variant in the PF. Period. Despite the fact, Japan did have few of them.

Oh bloody . . . the European Theater has been much better developed than the Pacific Theater, and continues to be, even over a year aftere PFs release . . .

SaQSoN
02-22-2006, 03:24 PM
the European Theater has been much better developed than the Pacific Theater, and continues to be, even over a year aftere PFs release . . .
So what? That's two different games with different development approach.

willyvic
02-22-2006, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:...

Why not Filipinas?

I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

You want a campaign against women in the philippines? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif WV

shinden1974
02-22-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by willyvic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Sorry, but I think there are huge time holes in the Pacific war here:...

Why not Filipinas?

I think those things are more important that the 120000 version of Bf 109 and planes that never have seen combat.

You want a campaign against women in the philippines? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif WV </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that was my first thought too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

shinden1974
02-22-2006, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
actually some people sometimes forgett as what this gameseries started........... over 5 years ago.

and as what Pacific Fighters in the first steps wanted to be.......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

just to ad, im not a huge fan of the eastern front, i like the pacific aerial warfare a lot...... but the game started with the eastern front.

Agree with you there.

I'm a little selfish and I want my campaigns/maps and planes for the theater of the war I give a **** about...

but the great sim developer that was supposed to create the great PTO flight sim doesn't exist, instead we have an attachment to another great flight sim.

However it is the best PTO make I know of, else we would all still be with CFS2 right now. Any one loading PAW or AOTP right now? ...doubt many...

The fan base of this sim has been very loyal despite all the whining and complaining around here, most of the non-PTO fans bought PF anyway, probably thinking "oh joy. america vs. paper-mache...how exciting. who was the axis in that theater anyway? Taiwan? ...ho hum."

I wish they liked it more, but I can't force Oleg, 1C maddox or the core fans who put this sim on the map into being PTO fans. I'm just glad PF was done at all.