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The_Stealth_Owl
09-12-2009, 10:57 AM
Whitch planes have cockpit heating??


Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

GoToAway
09-12-2009, 10:59 AM
The ones with cockpit heaters.

general_kalle
09-12-2009, 11:03 AM
no idea and its not moddeled in IL2 at all anyway.

also do you want a comprehensive list of all planes with heaters that participated in WW2?
sounds a bit ehm...

The_Stealth_Owl
09-12-2009, 11:05 AM
Just the planes that have cockpit heating in real life in WWII.

I might have posted this in teh wrong spot.


Could you tel me the planes in IL2 that have them in real life? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

GoToAway
09-12-2009, 11:14 AM
I can't imagine why you'd want to know this. Nobody will list everything.

Why don't you just do this: Assume that any small craft intended to fly >20,000' had heating, particularly if pressurized.

That assumption will be generally accurate.

TS_Sancho
09-12-2009, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Whitch planes have cockpit heating??


Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


You lay awake at night thinking up this stuff dont you?

The_Stealth_Owl
09-12-2009, 12:02 PM
Yes, and I write down my questions in the morning.

stalkervision
09-12-2009, 12:02 PM
The early Hurricanes don't. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
09-12-2009, 12:04 PM
Want to hear all my aircraft questions?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
09-12-2009, 12:20 PM
How hot is teh blades of a Me-262 while at ful power?

What planes have metal covered control surfaces?

What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?


What happens when you break the sound berrier?

If you go to fast, could your windsheild break?

Are they using any WWII planes today?

Whitch planes had an area for luggadge?

What happenes when a plane gets struck by lightning when its grounded?

How many volts are in the aircraft bateries?

Did they have LEDs back then?

What planes had guncams?

Did they carry a gun in teh cockpit?

How heavy was a fully loaded Pilot?

Were the planes fire-proof?

How heavy was a fully painted aircraft?

What plnes had AC?

What planes had cockpit cussions?

What did the pilot do if he had to go to teh bathroom?

What did he do when he was hungry?

what did he do when he was bored?

Did they play I-Spy using the radio?

How many planes had radio?

What planes could hang by the prop?

Was teh YP-80 stealth?

What if the Pilot got thrirsty?

What did he do if his throttle stick broke?

Witch planes had a defroster?

Whitch planes had fire extinguishers?



Should I stop, or keep going? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

robtek1957
09-12-2009, 01:39 PM
It would be interesting if we had the problems of not heated cockpits in subzero temperatures like fogging up or frosting so that viewing is impaired.

Waldo.Pepper
09-12-2009, 03:34 PM
Should I stop, or keep going?

I read this post and like most of us I expect I was answering them in my head. You know where you can find the answers? In books, magazines, journals etc. I hope you are not a devotee of the belief that asking is better than finding out for yourself.

By the way, the answers to most of the questions you pose are more complex than can be answered in a forum context.

Take for example the YP-80 stealth supposition. It depends on the wavelength of the radar being used. When the Americans got some WW2 era radars out of storage and operated them from the Japanese mainland the older SCR-268 set could track them but the newer shorter wavelength sets could not.

R_Target
09-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Many F6Fs were shipped to the Pacific without the cockpit heaters. Nobody thought much of it until the winter of '44/'45 when USN planes were flying through snowstorms to attack the Japanese mainland.

RPMcMurphy
09-12-2009, 07:25 PM
I don't think the P-38s had heaters. So the pilots were given a baby-blue "heat" suit to wear that worked like an electric blanket but the pilots were terrified to use it because if they were shot down and became POWs
they would be laughed at in their baby blue warming jammies.

Kettenhunde
09-12-2009, 07:34 PM
Generally all aircraft have cabin heat. The P-38 just had poor cockpit heating. Using turbine ducting is almost as bad as using plenum air for cabin heat.

Aircraft cabin heat is generally a sleeve placed over the exhaust. The exhaust pipe heats the air as it passes on its way into the cabin.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/...uildersheatmuffs.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/homebuildersheatmuffs.php)

A separate cockpit heater is generally not required except in extreme circumstances. Generally they are designed to work with and supplement cabin heat.

Choctaw111
09-12-2009, 08:29 PM
I am not sure which ones but I do know that the P38 had one and the pilots always complained that it never worked very well. It gets really cold in there without an engine in front of you.

M_Gunz
09-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Want to hear all my aircraft questions?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Didn't you learn from your experience at AAA?
Two years from now (short span for me, an eternity for you) you might look back at your self now and shudder just a bit.
Be sure to print out or save some of your now-posts just to have something you can't deny later. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

WTE_Galway
09-12-2009, 09:00 PM
interesting list

LEDs being semiconductors may show up on a few UFO's in the 40's but thats it

btw .... wouldn't a plane that can hang by its prop be a helicopter ?

RPMcMurphy
09-12-2009, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
I am not sure which ones but I do know that the P38 had one and the pilots always complained that it never worked very well. It gets really cold in there without an engine in front of you.
That is logical since the engines are off to the sides and it is understandable how it would have a crappy heater in it. But I definatley remember reading about the P-38 pilots hating the color of their blue-heat suits and refusing to wear them..

deepo_HP
09-12-2009, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by RPMcMurphy:
But I definatley remember reading about the P-38 pilots hating the color of their blue-heat suits and refusing to wear them.. but probably only until they experienced for the first time a blue skin after a high alt ride... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cyph3r111
09-14-2009, 12:50 AM
What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?

You couldn't accidently go into space in a WW2 plane, heck, you couldn't even make it even if you wanted to.

general_kalle
09-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Google, magazines, journals, Google, book, google Wikipedia, oh and did i mention this great search engine called Google.

Kettenhunde
09-16-2009, 08:07 AM
the P38

The P38 kind had a double whammy on the cockpit heating issue. The turbocharger design does not make the cabin heat much more effective than plenum air. Since cockpit heaters are designed to work in conjunction with cabin heat it is hard to find an off the shelf heating system that will do the job.

stalkervision
09-16-2009, 08:16 AM
The 109 doesn't have it but it has a boots and flying suit heater system.

Just read that the other day so there! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Kettenhunde
09-16-2009, 09:56 AM
The Bf-109 does have cabin air. You still need either a suit or a cockpit heater for extreme temperatures.

stalkervision
09-16-2009, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
The Bf-109 does have cabin air. You still need either a suit or a cockpit heater for extreme temperatures.

Not with the B-17 .. Read this KH

German Aircraft interiors

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3370/scan0001md.jpg

Skunk_438RCAF
09-16-2009, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Q:How hot is teh blades of a Me-262 while at ful power?

A: Depends. The compressor section blades get hot and the turbine section blades get pretty f***in' hot.

Q:What planes have metal covered control surfaces?

A: There are millions of aircraft designs. Be specific.

Q:What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?

A: cant happen. CAN'T HAPPEN. Can't happen.

Q:What happens when you break the sound berrier?

you suddenly go faster than the speed of sound.

Q:If you go to fast, could your windsheild break?

A: Yes. It happens. Ever notice how a crack spreads on a car's windshield the faster you go?

Q:Are they using any WWII planes today?

A: Yes. but "using" is limited to put-putting around.


Q:Whitch planes had an area for luggadge?

A: How much luggage? All airplanes have a space for the pilot's tote bag. Well, most anyway.

Q:What happenes when a plane gets struck by lightning when its grounded?

A: Lightning will pass through it and discharge into the ground.

Q:How many volts are in the aircraft bateries?
A: Most aircraft systems work off 12 or 24 Volt batteries.

Qhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifid they have LEDs back then?
A: The first led was invented in the 1920's. However they did not become a practical electronic component until 1962.

Q:What planes had guncams?
A: Lots. The list would be shorter if you had asked which airplanes didnt have guncams.

Qhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifid they carry a gun in teh cockpit?
A:Pilots are military officers and have a sidearm as part of their dress. Wether a pilot decided to bring a gun with him his cockpit or not was up to him.

Q:How heavy was a fully loaded Pilot?
A:Beer is a liquid based on water. Water weighs 1kg per liter. Seeing as pilots probably drank 3-4 pints of beer a night, a fully loaded pilot would weigh about 10-15 pounds more than his given weight. Well until he went for a pee or threw up in the garbage can behind the mess.

Q:Were the planes fire-proof?
A:Fuel, oil and surprisingly, aluminum burn very well. So no.

Q:How heavy was a fully painted aircraft?
A:Paint should add about 5-6% of the total weight to an aircraft.

Q:What plnes had AC?
A: AC is a standard feature on all aircraft. Generally it is activated by opening the window above 12000 feet.

Q:What planes had cockpit cussions?
A: The ones that the pilots did not have to sit on their parachutes.

Q:What did the pilot do if he had to go to teh bathroom?
A: some aircraft had relief tubes.

Q:What did he do when he was hungry?
A: He ate.

Q:what did he do when he was bored?
A: imagine what it would be like if he wasnt.

Qhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifid they play I-Spy using the radio?
A: probably not.

Q:How many planes had radio?
A: all the ones with antennae.

Q:What planes could hang by the prop?
A: none.

Q:Was teh YP-80 stealth?
A: If the germans werent looking, then yes.

Q:What if the Pilot got thrirsty?
A: He drank.

Q:What did he do if his throttle stick broke?
A: 2 options....at full throttle, turn back home and shut the engine off to land. If stuck at idle, turn home or towards friendly territory and land in a field (forced approach).

Q:Witch planes had a defroster?
A: What are we defrosting? Chicken?

Q:Whitch planes had fire extinguishers?
A: Engine fire extinguishers or in-cockpit fire extinguishers?


Q:Should I stop, or keep going?
A: Stop.

there... I answered all your questions. Now go outside and play. Or if in school, turn off the computer and go learn something from a teacher.

The_Stealth_Owl
09-16-2009, 06:45 PM
Ah, its 17:46 over here.

Kettenhunde
09-16-2009, 07:38 PM
German Aircraft interiors


They should probably take the instructions on using the cabin heat out of the Flugzeug Handbuch and the parts for it out of the Ersatzteilliste. The Bf-109 had cabin heat. The lever to open it is right above the flap and trim wheel.

Dgirth
09-16-2009, 07:49 PM
On zekes vs wildcats i set both engines of a p38 ablaze today.

I hope the pilot was thankyou that i sorted the p38 cockpit heating issue out for him.

Waldo.Pepper
09-17-2009, 01:48 AM
What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/book/CeilingUnlimited2.jpg

stalkervision
09-17-2009, 05:47 AM
Your thinking of the "fresh air vent" K/H

It was a added feature on later 109's. It's a scoop in front of the cockpit framing that feeds this vent.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1244/scan0002qr.jpg

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9162/scan0003pp.jpg


Here it is.. Number 3. Cockpit vent

You see there is no mention of a heating function to it. It is just a fresh air vent.

Kettenhunde
09-17-2009, 10:52 AM
Your thinking of the "fresh air vent" K/H


LOL, That is also the cabin heat Stalker. That is typical for an airplane.

stalkervision
09-17-2009, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Your thinking of the "fresh air vent" K/H


LOL, That is also the cabin heat Stalker. That is typical for an airplane. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sure? I can't find any cabin heating system on the 109 even in the most detailed manuals. I also can't find this particular feature or switch on other 109 types. On the .other hand I have read mentions of a cabin vent on certain 109's in my Me-109 book. It appears this was added after the side quarter panels that added additional ventilation to the 109 were finally deleted. The quarter panels could be opened amazingly enough.

Come on K/H you referred to the Me-109 Lair site as a source.

I have looked it all over and can't find a mention of your 109 cabin heating system anywhere.

Show me some info on it. Show me the money. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

scaredycat1
09-17-2009, 11:30 AM
If memory serves the early FW 190s had Extremely effective cockpit heaters.....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
09-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by scaredycat1:
If memory serves the early FW 190s had Extremely effective cockpit heaters.....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That may be true but this is the old bird 109. The fw was famous for very modern features in a ww2 bird. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
09-20-2009, 10:10 AM
well obviously I was right here that the 109 had no heating system other then heated flight suits and gloves. This is confirmed in the "german interiors book" I noticed K/H claimed the export versions of the 109 might not have this systems which is a very silly argument to make since export versions usually include basic items like these almost always.

Furthermore he has given no evidence WHATSOEVER that such a bleed air heating system was ever installed on a 109.

He pointed to the Me-109 lair site and his system just isn't there.

Kurf even agreed with me and he's the 109 go to guy IMO.

Now for him to admit he was wrong and apologize for calling me a jerk about my contention.

IMO K/H has NEVER admitted he was wrong about anything on these forums and certainly won't start now.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kettenhunde
09-20-2009, 11:27 AM
@ stalkervision


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
09-20-2009, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Skunk_438RCAF:
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Q:How hot is teh blades of a Me-262 while at ful power?

A: Depends. The compressor section blades get hot and the turbine section blades get pretty f***in' hot.
[...

...]
there... I answered all your questions. Now go outside and play. Or if in school, turn off the computer and go learn something from a teacher.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif ALREADY POSTING IT IN MY BLOG!! AMAZING ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
( http://miskatonic-tech.blogspot.com/ )

horseback
09-21-2009, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by scaredycat1:
If memory serves the early FW 190s had Extremely effective cockpit heaters.....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Yes...it was called the engine. Pilots in its early days must have left the cockpit after combat with the soles of their boots literally smoking.

cheers

horseback

stalkervision
09-21-2009, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
If memory serves the early FW 190s had Extremely effective cockpit heaters.....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Yes...it was called the engine. Pilots in its early days must have left the cockpit after combat with the soles of their boots literally smoking.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I believe they toned that down a bit in later production models H/B http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

or gave them fire proof boots. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

WTE_Galway
09-21-2009, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:


What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?




Absolutely nothing, if anything they perform better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWII aero engines actually work better in a vacuum, the need for oxygen is over-rated. That is why the P51 was used to fly escort during the Apollo program.



(Photo of P51 escort taken from the Command Module of Apollo 11 orbiting the moon - courtesy of NASA)


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/space.jpg

Freiwillige
09-21-2009, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
If memory serves the early FW 190s had Extremely effective cockpit heaters.....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Yes...it was called the engine. Pilots in its early days must have left the cockpit after combat with the soles of their boots literally smoking.


cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I believe they toned that down a bit in later production models H/B http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

or gave them fire proof boots. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That was before the prototype was switched to the BMW-801 motor which also necessitated moving the cockpit several feet aft so that the plane would be balanced with the heavier 801 motor. No feet glowing red firewall issue after the earlier BMW-139 motor was dropped.

RegRag1977
09-22-2009, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:


What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?




Absolutely nothing, if anything they perform better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWII aero engines actually work better in a vacuum, the need for oxygen is over-rated. That is why the P51 was used to fly escort during the Apollo program.



(Photo of P51 escort taken from the Command Module of Apollo 11 orbiting the moon - courtesy of NASA)


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/space.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif You rock! Imagine bouncing the Jerries directly from the moon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

M_Gunz
09-22-2009, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Furthermore he has given no evidence WHATSOEVER that such a bleed air heating system was ever installed on a 109.

I'd like to know how a 109 would have bleed air when that's a feature of high-bypass turbine engines? Huh-huh-huh?

Kettenhunde
09-22-2009, 10:35 AM
how a 109 would have bleed air

The Bf-109 has a typical cabin heat system that uses a "heat box" near an exhaust tube or in this case stub. It is located right between the 3rd and 4th exhaust stub on the right and left side of the engine.

All the best,

Crumpp

erco415
09-22-2009, 10:52 AM
Q:Are they using any WWII planes today?

A: Yes. but "using" is limited to put-putting around.

Not quite correct- see C-47, C-46, C-54, (still in revenue service, mostly freight, but some passenger) B-25(photo birds) and God knows how many others still toiling away in some backwater.

TS_Sancho
09-22-2009, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:


What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?




Absolutely nothing, if anything they perform better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWII aero engines actually work better in a vacuum, the need for oxygen is over-rated. That is why the P51 was used to fly escort during the Apollo program.



(Photo of P51 escort taken from the Command Module of Apollo 11 orbiting the moon - courtesy of NASA)


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/space.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Please dont aggravate Stalkervision. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WTE_Galway
09-22-2009, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by erco415:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Q:Are they using any WWII planes today?

A: Yes. but "using" is limited to put-putting around.

Not quite correct- see C-47, C-46, C-54, (still in revenue service, mostly freight, but some passenger) B-25(photo birds) and God knows how many others still toiling away in some backwater. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A surprising number of WWII birds saw active service in the third world up to quire recently.


The last P51 in active service was retired by the Dominican Republic in 1984.

The last B25 Mitchell in active service was retired by Indonesia in 1979.

If you move forward just a few years to 1948 ... the MIG 15 is actually STILL in active service, albeit as a trainer, currently in 2009.

berg417448
09-22-2009, 05:38 PM
The P-80 still lives on in the form of the T-33 trainer. IIRC the Bolivian Air Force still uses them.

stalkervision
09-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Furthermore he has given no evidence WHATSOEVER that such a bleed air heating system was ever installed on a 109.

I'd like to know how a 109 would have bleed air when that's a feature of high-bypass turbine engines? Huh-huh-huh? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

all right smarty "ducted air" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
09-22-2009, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> how a 109 would have bleed air

The Bf-109 has a typical cabin heat system that uses a "heat box" near an exhaust tube or in this case stub. It is located right between the 3rd and 4th exhaust stub on the right and left side of the engine.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know how well the same system didn't work in my old VW Type 3's, much as I loved those cars.

danjama
09-22-2009, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
How hot is teh blades of a Me-262 while at ful power?

What planes have metal covered control surfaces?

What happens if you accidently go to space in a WWII plane?


What happens when you break the sound berrier?

If you go to fast, could your windsheild break?

Are they using any WWII planes today?

Whitch planes had an area for luggadge?

What happenes when a plane gets struck by lightning when its grounded?

How many volts are in the aircraft bateries?

Did they have LEDs back then?

What planes had guncams?

Did they carry a gun in teh cockpit?

How heavy was a fully loaded Pilot?

Were the planes fire-proof?

How heavy was a fully painted aircraft?

What plnes had AC?

What planes had cockpit cussions?

What did the pilot do if he had to go to teh bathroom?

What did he do when he was hungry?

what did he do when he was bored?

Did they play I-Spy using the radio?

How many planes had radio?

What planes could hang by the prop?

Was teh YP-80 stealth?

What if the Pilot got thrirsty?

What did he do if his throttle stick broke?

Witch planes had a defroster?

Whitch planes had fire extinguishers?



Should I stop, or keep going? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

What annoys me about myself is i can actually answer alot of these questions...

R_Target
09-22-2009, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I know how well the same system didn't work in my old VW Type 3's, much as I loved those cars.

I had a '72 Squareback. It was a cold SOB. Of course, it was about 20 years old when I got it.

stalkervision
09-22-2009, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> how a 109 would have bleed air

The Bf-109 has a typical cabin heat system that uses a "heat box" near an exhaust tube or in this case stub. It is located right between the 3rd and 4th exhaust stub on the right and left side of the engine.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know how well the same system didn't work in my old VW Type 3's, much as I loved those cars. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and now for his diagram of the installation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Actually Gunz, if this is true I feel really sorry for any 109 pilot. The coldest car trip i ever took in my life was in a VW in the winter just as you say and I wasn't at 30,000 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

As I recall I was tempted to roll down the window to get warm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
09-22-2009, 09:07 PM
A lot of old VW's don't have heat. When exhaust leaks would get into the boxes the answer was just take the boxes out!
I had one of those too, it was an adventure at times. No heat and no AC, over 30 to the gallon and some old friends in
places that took hours to get to. I miss those days, even the cold parts.

stalkervision
09-22-2009, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
A lot of old VW's don't have heat. When exhaust leaks would get into the boxes the answer was just take the boxes out!
I had one of those too, it was an adventure at times. No heat and no AC, over 30 to the gallon and some old friends in
places that took hours to get to. I miss those days, even the cold parts.

Ya I hear you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Freiwillige
09-22-2009, 09:34 PM
My first car was a 71 VW Squarback!
My second a 74' VW Squarback!
My third a 64' bug
My fourth a 69 Karmann Ghia
My fifth a 66' Bug
My sixth a 91' Corrado
And my last VW a 64' bug in 2006

I have love those quirky German cars that are almost as simplistic as they are unbreakable!

And now I have an 88 S-10 4x4 I love it but I do miss my VW's

dangerlaef
09-22-2009, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Are they using any WWII planes today?


Bolivia still has 18 t-33s,
the two seater trainer of the p-80.

http://www.scramble.nl/bo.htm

Kettenhunde
09-23-2009, 11:16 AM
I know how well the same system didn't work in my old VW Type 3's, much as I loved those cars.


Which is why airplanes require supplemental heating.

stalkervision
09-23-2009, 02:19 PM
which still hasn't been proven to exist on the 109..

I really would like to see the system if it does.