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Worf101
10-04-2006, 08:08 AM
Well, I don't read "Variety", but I can tell how a flick did just by how fast it goes from multiple screens to afternoon matinees at the local MegaMammothMonsterPlex. "Flyboys" was obviously DOA as its down to one screen and this was last Friday. Didn't last a week, that's sad. Kids today aren't interested in "History" at all not even "Bad History". To many, 9/11 is alread ancient history...

Sad and amazing.

Da Worfster

carguy_
10-04-2006, 08:14 AM
You mean you did not know that those who take interest in history are The Chosen?

ploughman
10-04-2006, 08:22 AM
Too bad it's bombed. Gives other movie makers cold feet when it comes to dabbling in the genre. I've not seen it yet but I'm looking forward to getting it out on DVD, which probably won't be too long in coming.

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Here's the view from Rotten Tomatoes.
Consensu30%
Reviews Counted: 102
Fresh: 31 Rotten: 71
Average Rating: 4.9/10
General view: "Poorly scripted with mediocre acting and unconvincing battle scenes."


"If the current legroom in economy class doesn't make you resent the birth of the Wright Brothers, Flyboys certainly will."

"The film spends most of its time on the ground, where a historically accurate but not terribly dramatic screenplay wanders through the same military clichés we€ve been seeing since movies were invented."

"Flyboys' spectacular predictability confirms its shallowness."

"Snoopy's battles with the Red Baron felt more authentic than this."

"The movie's straightforward and ingratiating, and as pretty-boy history lessons go, it's a lot less obnoxious than Pearl Harbor."

Tater-SW-
10-04-2006, 08:35 AM
Seeing the trailer was enough to make me not pay to see it. Perhpas I'll see it on cable with a beer in one hand. A gajillion red triplanes doesn't cut it.

I don't buy the idea it will turn people off a historical period for film making. Make a really good film, and people will see it. Make a dog and people won't. The only way I can make a comment that hollywood cares about is by going if it is good, and not going if it is bad. Poor history doesn't deserve my dollars.

tater

Worf101
10-04-2006, 08:39 AM
"Cold Feet"???? You'll never see another WWI based Hollywood movie in our lifetimes. Perhaps something from Europe but not from here. "Money talks and and the bull**** walks" as they here in the States. It took almost 30 years for another movie musical after "Star" bombed at the Box Office. This was as least as bad moneywise at that.

Da Worfster

Tater-SW-
10-04-2006, 08:42 AM
The sad thing is they didn't make a better, no, a GOOD, movie.

tater

Waldo.Pepper
10-04-2006, 09:35 AM
Seeing the trailer was enough to make me not pay to see it

+1 Ditto. As for its failings causing producers cold feet. Bad movies should not be encouraged to support a genre. If that were the case we would all be singing the praises of CFS3 and other similar products that are just not good enough. An apt quote from a good movie applies I think. "It's a cruel world Stachel."

Chuck_Older
10-04-2006, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
An apt quote from a good movie applies I think. "It's a cruel world Stachel."

HA!

I was just going to post three words "the Blue Max"

I would rather see a movie with real airplanes (not to mention Ursula Andress) like the Blue Max or the Great Waldo Pepper any day over a movie that insults the audience by making all the badguys look the same and uses gee-whiz CGI that looks worse than the flight sims I play

the ads I saw were insulting too. Way to drop the 21st vernacular into a WWI film. I expected to see Ted Theodore Logan or Bill S. Preston, esquire pop their heads in the frame and yell "Wyld Stallions rule!"

Actually I'd see it if it were a Bill and Ted flick. Whatever happened to Alex Winter????

leitmotiv
10-04-2006, 10:32 AM
BLUE MAX is such a wonderful film it has lost nothing to time. Still as magnificent as it was when it opened more than forty years ago. Saw part of DAWN PATROL on TMC the other day and it looked stale, contrived, and hystrionic compared to the matter of fact world of BMAX.

Waldo.Pepper
10-04-2006, 11:22 AM
Alex Winter????

He used to get mistaken for Sean Penn. In an interview I remember him saying that if people ask if he is Sean Penn he says "Yes I am." then he punches them.

DuxCorvan
10-04-2006, 12:30 PM
It looks like they're never going to put it on the big screen here in Spain... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Maybe DVD...

BTW, what is a "chruch" and how do you fart in one? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

RocketDog
10-04-2006, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
"Cold Feet"???? You'll never see another WWI based Hollywood movie in our lifetimes. Perhaps something from Europe


This looks like a WWI movie in production starring the rather excellent Joseph Fiennes: http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

From the synopsis "von Richtofen soon realises that his staus as a hero is misleading...His love for Kate opens his eyes to the brutality and barbarity of war"

...which has to be a bit revisionist because from what I know about von R from reading his own book his portrayal in Black Adder was probably more accurate.

Cheers,

RD.

Loki-PF
10-04-2006, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It looks like they're never going to put it on the big screen here in Spain... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Maybe DVD...

BTW, what is a "chruch" and how do you fart in one? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Dux,

Unfortunately you have just confirmed a sad rumor I had heard regarding the decline and fall of Catholicism (or christianity in general) in Spain. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

spiffyscimitar
10-04-2006, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


I would rather see a movie with real airplanes (not to mention Ursula Andress) like the Blue Max or the Great Waldo Pepper any day over a movie that insults the audience by making all the badguys look the same and uses gee-whiz CGI that looks worse than the flight sims I play




uh.. way to exaggerate. The CGI was apparent but not bad, but certainly better than anything we have on our computers.

As far as the movie goes, the characters were all one sided and predictable, but at least they walked us through training, tactics, and attempted to incorporate real life details. Sure, everything was larger than life (to be expected in a hollywood movie) but at least they concentrated on the planes. Pearl harbor seemed more interested in the love triangle than the attack. At least this one had it's heart in the right place, if not a scipt that appealed to our heads.

Anyway, go ahead and poo poo the only WW1 flight movie you'll see in a long, long time. Meanwhile, at least a had a small treat that I enjoyed for what it was.

DuxCorvan
10-04-2006, 01:30 PM
Loki, you're named after a pagan god, and have a scary thing with horns as avatar. My uncle, Inquisidor Corvan, may put you at the stake for less than that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ploughman
10-04-2006, 01:55 PM
Yeah Loki, you just Torquemadaddeo. It's stake night tonight down at Dux's. Pagans. Cloven hoofed has beens with their weird pantheons and binge drinking, repeat after me - mono-theism.

You know we complain about Hollywood aeroplane movies, but you should see the archeology forums. They go beserk whenever anyone mentions Indiana Jones.

Bearcat99
10-04-2006, 02:01 PM
I saw Flyboys.... I thought it was pretty good. Certainly worth the cost of the ticket seeing as how I am such an aviation fan... and I will be buying the DVD when it comes out.... IMO if you didnt see it in the theater it is definitely worth the cost of the DVD.

x6BL_Brando
10-04-2006, 02:27 PM
Film unseen, I decided to download the demo of the flightsim that's having a no-doubt poor ride on the film's coat-tails.
I wasn't surprised to find it was just a re-hash of Warbirds poor cousin, Dawn of Aces, lightly tinkered with and released under a new name.
Regurgitated might be a better adjective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

This game WAS hot - back in the 1990s anyway - but now looks like a cheap way to maybe squeeze a few bucks out of a new audience. Trust me, don't waste your time downloading it.

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DuxCorvan
10-04-2006, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
You know we complain about Hollywood aeroplane movies, but you should see the archeology forums. They go beserk whenever anyone mentions Indiana Jones.

The funny thing about Indiana Jones is that all archaeologists laugh and shake their heads when they hear about him, but all of them try to look like him when someone of the NG channel points them with a camera.

Tater-SW-
10-04-2006, 02:40 PM
^^^LOL

More importantly, those movies don't even try to be historical.

tater

p-11.cAce
10-04-2006, 02:54 PM
I saw Flyboys.... I thought it was pretty good. Certainly worth the cost of the ticket seeing as how I am such an aviation fan... and I will be buying the DVD when it comes out.... IMO if you didnt see it in the theater it is definitely worth the cost of the DVD.
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Just back from my second viewing...I like it - though it is certainly no Blue Max http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif
Good enough flick though and will be buying hte DVD for sure.

Darth_Snoopy
10-04-2006, 08:58 PM
Nobody should poo-poo's a movie, before having seen it, and base his opinion on the trailer and the opinions of others.

Yes...the movie was sappy, predictable and perhaps historically inaccurate in more places that I care...but...

I found it engaging and entertaining. I thought it did an excellent job of portraying the horror of fighting in a plane made out of wood and fabric, without any armor or a parachute. The air combat scenes were as good as any I've ever seen.

If you want historical accuracy...then buy a book...but don't complain that they don't make any movies of the genra that you like, if you don't support the industry. Don't forget, the average person on the street is a historicaly-challenged moron. Ask the average person to name an allied pilot in WW1 and the answer will probably be Snoopy. Movies are made to make money. When was the last blockbuster historical documentary produced?

At least fork over the $7 at matinee and see it for yourselves. You may find that there is more to like than dislike, if not, then you are 100% entitled to a negative review.

I for one saw it in the theaters and enjoyed it very much. I will definately purchase it on DVD.

Come on people, for us aviation enthusiasts, even a poor biplane movie is better than no biplane movie.

panther3485
10-04-2006, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It looks like they're never going to put it on the big screen here in Spain... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Maybe DVD...

BTW, what is a "chruch" and how do you fart in one? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

We can explain what a church is if you've never been near one, but if you don't know how to fart we can't help you there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

panther3485
10-04-2006, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
"You know we complain about Hollywood aeroplane movies, but you should see the archeology forums. They go beserk whenever anyone mentions Indiana Jones."

Yeah, funny thing is though, they don't seem to object to Lara Croft too much!....OO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

-HH- Beebop
10-04-2006, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by spiffyscimitar:
...but at least they walked us through training...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Mind you, I found the film an interesting diversion and if it hadn't had those Neiuports they built for the film and passable, though not excellent CGI, it was OK for a Hollywood film. Without the WWI setting, the basic story blew chunks all over the place.
But "walked you through training..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
According to the story here is your training for being a WWI fighter pilot:
1. Get in a kid-made wooden Link type trainer and push the rudder pedals back and forth a few times.
2. Get in a barrel being pushed sideways by a half dozen guys, a Lewis gun mounted on the front and shoot at targets while being pushed back and forth, all the while yelling "LEFT!", "RIGHT" as your pushers acted like a rudder.
2a. You practice gunnery training shooting up targets painted like your own British roundels. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Maybe the German pilots would but why wouldn't the British practice on Iron Crosses?
Anyway, that's the training program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif
Heck, the FB/PF training .ntrks do a better job. Not once did I see them practicing takeoffs/landings, doing the inevitable ground loop, smacking the landing gear into splinters as well as the prop on landing...geesh, you'd think that in a 2 1/2 hour film about WWI you'd at least see that once.
Still and all, I saw it during the cheapie matinee and didn't walk out feeling like I'd totally wasted my time.
Then again, I DID need a break from my constant FB/PF flying-mission building-skinning routine.


But that's just me.

WWMaxGunz
10-05-2006, 02:03 AM
If people rent the old good ones like Blue Max and Hell's Angels then those 'hits' (they do
keep track of rentals and sales) will go far towards keeping the 'feet warm'.

#1 mistake was not investing in more plane models.

DuxCorvan
10-05-2006, 09:51 AM
I know what a church is. What I don't know is what is a chruch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Chuck_Older
10-05-2006, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I know what a church is. What I don't know is what is a chruch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I was on chruches for three months when I was 11. I broke my tibia and fibula while skiing

Chuck_Older
10-05-2006, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Darth_Snoopy:
Nobody should poo-poo's a movie, before having seen it, and base his opinion on the trailer and the opinions of others.

Yes...the movie was sappy, predictable and perhaps historically inaccurate in more places that I care...but...

I found it engaging and entertaining. I thought it did an excellent job of portraying the horror of fighting in a plane made out of wood and fabric, without any armor or a parachute. The air combat scenes were as good as any I've ever seen.

If you want historical accuracy...then buy a book...but don't complain that they don't make any movies of the genra that you like, if you don't support the industry. Don't forget, the average person on the street is a historicaly-challenged moron. Ask the average person to name an allied pilot in WW1 and the answer will probably be Snoopy. Movies are made to make money. When was the last blockbuster historical documentary produced?

At least fork over the $7 at matinee and see it for yourselves. You may find that there is more to like than dislike, if not, then you are 100% entitled to a negative review.

I for one saw it in the theaters and enjoyed it very much. I will definately purchase it on DVD.

Come on people, for us aviation enthusiasts, even a poor biplane movie is better than no biplane movie.

Disagree 100%

Ads are what's supposed to make me like the movie and want to see it, not to dislike it and try to avoid it. What they showed me in the ads was enough to tell me I wouldn't like it, because of the way they insult the audience by assuming that the audience must be taken by the hand and shown good guys from bad guys in this awful, mothering molly-coddling way, and the actors also sounded like 21st century humans instead of aviators from the first World War

Sorry but that eliminates my suspension of disbelief and tells me I shouldn't go see the film because I will not like it

DuxCorvan
10-05-2006, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I was on chruches for three months when I was 11. I broke my tibia and fibula while skiing

Because you farted? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
the actors also sounded like 21st century humans instead of aviators from the first World War


Totally agreed. It's a common fault in modern movies to make young people from other times to sound like a 'cool' young fella would sound today.

In fact, those guys reached adult status before we do, and weren't given any 'special young status' then, but were treated the same as any other adult man.

Besdides, there was still a stiff class-elite thinking, and these guys were supposed to be and act like gentlemen. That means very respectful and courtly manners among them, at least when in public.

Akronnick
10-05-2006, 04:00 PM
I have as much desire to see this as I did to see "Stealth" which from the ads seems to have about the same level of realism. And don't confuse realism with historical acurracy.

RCAF_Irish_403
10-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Heres the thing....those megaplexes with 30 screens and 5$ bags of popcorn are going extinct. who needs to go to the movie theatre when you can watch the movie (much cheaper and more comfortable) in your own home? In the last ten years i've seen (maybe) 5 or 6 movies at "The Big Screen"....OTOH i've watched hundreds on DVD/Cable TV

p-11.cAce
10-05-2006, 07:09 PM
I don't think anything in the home comes close to seeing a movie on a big screen...imho just about any movie is better in a theater than on a tv - I'd love to have had the chance to see The Blue Max, Run Silent Run Deep, The Spirit of St. Louis, and many others on a big screen.

TAW_Oilburner
10-05-2006, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I saw Flyboys.... I thought it was pretty good. Certainly worth the cost of the ticket seeing as how I am such an aviation fan... and I will be buying the DVD when it comes out.... IMO if you didnt see it in the theater it is definitely worth the cost of the DVD.

I agree. I actually thought it was a pretty good movie. For those turned off by CGI, you might as well swear off movies altogether..it's like hating electricity and swearing to stick with kerosene for light.

heywooood
10-05-2006, 07:42 PM
to me - thats the only question that matters...


After seeing, would you buy the DVD?
if the majority say yes- then I 'll go see it in the theater

Enforcer572005
10-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Well It wasnt Blue Max, and it wasnt as good as the "young indiana jones" episode, which used the large number of WW1 replicas at a now defunct museum in Ala 100 mi from my home.

They seem to do real well sometimes, but then they seem to lose interest. Stuff like Se-5s in 1916, large formations of Dr-1s excluxively (only built about 300), and "9mm" Spandau MGs.....yeah, they got a little lazy. To say this is based on a true story is typical hollywood nonsense.

However I did enjoy it a bit, and at least they showed a photo of the real guys at the end. It was worth the price of a ticket.

Bearcat99
10-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I don't think anything in the home comes close to seeing a movie on a big screen...imho just about any movie is better in a theater than on a tv - I'd love to have had the chance to see The Blue Max, Run Silent Run Deep, The Spirit of St. Louis, and many others on a big screen.

I dunno about that.. I have a 48" in the basement.. small by comparison to a lot of the 60 & 65 " screens in homes.. but I find that unless a movie is a spectacular something.... the home works for me. Especially since I rarely catch everything on the first viewing.

Worf101
10-06-2006, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
Heres the thing....those megaplexes with 30 screens and 5$ bags of popcorn are going extinct. who needs to go to the movie theatre when you can watch the movie (much cheaper and more comfortable) in your own home? In the last ten years i've seen (maybe) 5 or 6 movies at "The Big Screen"....OTOH i've watched hundreds on DVD/Cable TV
"$5 bags of popcorn" Are you kiddin? You better up that by a couple of bucks there M8. Far more expensive than the tickets themselves. The Distribution Deals with Distributors are such that concession sales are about the ONLY way they get to make money...

Da Worfster

boxmike
10-06-2006, 03:59 PM
Not a mention in Finnish theatres yet, correct me? Though I'm no good to theatres. Merely archiving DVD's as released.
For WWI, 'Wings'(1927) and Hughes' 'Hells Angels' are in my wishlist. Maybe 'Blue Max' as well? Wasnt 'Wings' first to receive a certain class of Academy Awards? Cannot remember what it was...
Just tell me 'Flyboys' is worth for DVD archive,plz?

Rgds,

- box

bobbybob23
10-07-2006, 04:44 AM
EEERRR Guys what about the red baron thats another ww1 flying movie and that should be a lot better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 06:09 AM
No one of both them will be shown in my city, so DVD -if luck- for me.

Here they only exhibit pieces of cr*p like romantic things with Richard Gere, 'Alatriste', Almodovar transexual movies and the like.

Last time I went to cinema I watched 'Monkey Islan... er... 'Pirates of the Caribeban 2' with a friend and her ten-year-old girl. Obviously, the child had a big time, but I enjoy well-made adventure movies also.

That's how I enjoyed 'Pearl Harbor': as near to reality as fantasy 'Pirates...' to the real 18th century Caribe (note, not a single Spaniard -dead or alive- in the mainly Spanish Caribbean Sea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. Well, maybe Barbosa -that's a Spanish surname, though looks like an acronym of Barbarossa). But 'Pearl harbor' was still a good WW2 fantasy movie. Most WW2 movies are.

If only they projected them on the silver screen of my local cinema... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ploughman
10-07-2006, 06:11 AM
I dunno about that.. I have a 48" in the basement


Ooh..er. I think I've been exposed to way too many Carry on films.

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x6BL_Brando
10-07-2006, 06:36 AM
quote:
I dunno about that.. I have a 48" in the basement



Ooh..er. I think I've been exposed to way too many Carry on films.


Blimey! I can almost hear the dulcet tones of a certain Mr Sidney James..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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panther3485
10-07-2006, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I dunno about that.. I have a 48" in the basement


Ooh..er. I think I've been exposed to way too many Carry on films.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

48"? That ain't big, that's ridiculous!

Perhaps you are also a Frankie fan..(Up Pompeii?) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

x6BL_Brando
10-07-2006, 07:08 AM
OOERR MISSUS!

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