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Jabberwocky_
03-06-2005, 10:12 PM
Ok, I'm certainly no authority on the English language but at least I know enough that "vulcher" has no business in said language. These "vulchers" everyone complains about online, are in fact VULTURES, those rapacious birds of prey that feed on the less than fortunate. Come on people, let's set an example for the next generation. Let's show 'em we can spell, if nothing else. Say it with me... V-U-L-T-U-R-E-S. There ya go. Miss Crabtree from the 1st grade would be proud!

Ok, English lesson's over.

Now, why is that when I go to a server where it says that being a vulture is ALLOWED, and I happen to do it to someone that DID IT TO ME FIRST, there's a message that says, "winners don't play vulchers, Jabberwocky!" Like, what is this???? Utter nonsense. And this whining about rules... I follow them, but the other day, a certain MadDog (I believe he was the server host) proceeded to trash everyone that didn't play by his rules in his server and also *****ed to no end about people "kill stealing". Kill stealing?? What next, he'll ***** about hogging airspace or runway space, or being cut-off?? This is a war sim right? Ok, I thought so. Some people need to get a life!

MadDog, if you're out there, I think you banned me the other night (I have no idea why) from 334th and threatened tons of others, and honestly, I'm not trying to start a war, but you need to lighten up! You're a server bully! (Let's not encourage this behaviour ok).

Cheers,

Jabberwocky

ImpStarDuece
03-06-2005, 11:00 PM
I personally like to wage war on people misuing the word 'decimate'.

Anyone know what it actually means and what the origin of the word is? It's actually pretty interesting.

Oh, and if a word enters the common vocabularly and is misspelt or used in a term out of its frame of reference it often becomes a new word in it's own right; 'fragged' and 'pwned' being two of the more recent examples.

The English language is not set in stone. Why else would MS Word have multiple different 'English' dictionaries. As an Australian English teacher working in Japan I continually get asked to modify my spelling to 'American English' instead of 'British English' as it is more phonetic and easier to remember.

ImpStarDuece
03-06-2005, 11:16 PM
Actually, while on such a pedantic subject the word Jabberwocky is actually 'Jabberwock' ( I know because it used to be my HL handle, I now fly as VF19_Jabberwock). The tile itself is Jabberwocky, but the creature is never refered to that way in the poem.

It comes from Alice Through The Looking Glass by Dr. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (who worte under several nom de plumes, one of which was Lewis Carroll). The poem is a wonderful collection of nonsensical and made up words. Irony can be fun can't it?


'Twas brillig and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimbal in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.


And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Tully__
03-07-2005, 12:12 AM
Jabberwocky, the message about which you complain is a built in game message, not a server message. You can edit it if you like. Find the file

...\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles\i18n\netmessages.properties

and open it in notepad. Find the following three lines:
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
gore_vulcher1 {0} is definitely a vulcher.
gore_vulcher2 {0}, winners don''t play vulchers.
gore_vulcher3 {0}, you vulcher you!</pre>

and edit the bit to the right of the {0} to suit your preference. Save and close.

WTE_Steg
03-07-2005, 12:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I personally like to wage war on people misuing the word 'decimate'.

Anyone know what it actually means and what the origin of the word is? It's actually pretty interesting.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I remember correctly "Decimation" was a form of punishment practiced by the Roman army.

It involved the group of people to be punished to select lots, usually by the same black and white rocks used for elections in the republic. 1 in 10 of the lots were the so called "short straw" (usually the black rock).

Those unlucky enough to select the black rock were then beaten to death by those who didn't draw the "short straw".

As an aside if you think that the guys carrying out the decimation might take pity on the condemed and kill them quickly because they were freinds, think again. Because if the condemed were not made to suffer enough, a Roman comander could then order that the group go through another decimation.

Therefore the origins of the word Decimation is that it comes from the latin word for 10, because 1 in 10 were selected for death.

Anyway thats how I remember it explained at uni.

JR_Greenhorn
03-07-2005, 12:26 AM
Re: decimate

I heard a similar explanation, but a bit different in procedure.

The way I heard it was that the Roman army would line up soldiers, and an officer would come down the line and kill every tenth man.

Perhaps someone more in the know could clear it up.

ImpStarDuece
03-07-2005, 12:29 AM
Very good WTE_Steg! Give the man a prize.

"Decimate" does indeed meant to kill 1 in 10 people.

Yours is the most common explination I hear. The other is that when dealing with local rebellions the Romans used to carry out reprisals by killing every tenth male in the village/town that had a hand in the uprising.

So when your read/hear the term 'the enemy was completely decimated', remember that insetad of being wiped out they actually only took 10% casualties.

VBF-83_Hawk
03-07-2005, 04:21 AM
"....rapacious birds of prey that feed on the less than fortunate."

I guess I am always a vulture then. Every time a shoot someone down, is he not less fortunate no matter where he was shot down?

ARM505
03-07-2005, 04:57 AM
I think 'vulcher' comes from the 'verbed' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifform - 'vulching'. You couldn't say 'vulting' could you? Hence, 'vulching'.

bigchump
03-07-2005, 06:12 AM
My first wife was a Bandersnatch.

ImpStarDuece
03-07-2005, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bigchump:
My first wife was a Bandersnatch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The frumious or the non-frumious kind?

Jex_TG
03-07-2005, 07:16 AM
If someone hosts a game then you should abide by the hosts rules shouldn't you? Perhaps I misread your post. As for vultching - that practice is reserved only for loosers.

Saunders1953
03-07-2005, 07:46 AM
Same here, BigChump! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Philipscdrw
03-07-2005, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jex_TG:
If someone hosts a game then you should abide by the hosts rules shouldn't you? Perhaps I misread your post. As for vultching - that practice is reserved only for loosers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I loose [sic] even more when I'm trying to actually fight an even battle!

Although, my vulting normally goes something like this:

1)Take off, in something with lots of rockets, like a P-38
2)Fly in the direction of enemy, alone, using cloud corridors if possible
3)Dive on enemy airbase
4)Fire rockets at aircraft on taxiway
5)Target aircraft just respawns, with no loss to his side
6)I dive straight into the ground at 600mph, because the P-38's controls are locked.

LOL. I suck at Il-2, despite having played it since 2001...

Atomic_Marten
03-07-2005, 09:27 AM
He he. Last night I was connected to some server (h"ll I don't remember which one, I guess my alzheimer is on rampage again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) and was begin to exclusively vulch another people.

With bombs all right. B4 you know it, I got 800pts.(and they shot me down most of the times lol). Take off, get alt, dive, release bombs on high speed (skip bomb) and run to base without shot fired.

Gee it can be such fun. I take FW190F and buzzed over some poor guy in Yak3, release my 500SC and next thing u know there goes Yak3 and Spit on my tail - down in flames.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Such fun.. And when they call me vulcher and chicken, my answer to them is -- BOOOM.(I think even they must smile on that one).

Atomic_Marten
03-07-2005, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jex_TG:
If someone hosts a game then you should abide by the hosts rules shouldn't you? Perhaps I misread your post. As for vultching - that practice is reserved only for loosers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I loose [sic] even more when I'm trying to actually fight an even battle!

Although, my vulting normally goes something like this:

1)Take off, in something with lots of rockets, like a P-38
2)Fly in the direction of enemy, alone, using cloud corridors if possible
3)Dive on enemy airbase
4)Fire rockets at aircraft on taxiway
5)Target aircraft just respawns, with no loss to his side
6)I dive straight into the ground at 600mph, because the P-38's controls are locked.

LOL. I suck at Il-2, despite having played it since 2001... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you don't suck, it just is that P38 is poor in dive bombing (you go more than 700kmh, and you will notice how P38 is beggining to shake and pointing nose to the ground -- you can do whatever you like, but if you do not slow down you are going to crash.) And if you slow down boogies will get you. So.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Maybe FW190 or P47 (with tons of loadout http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)?

Also must say that P38 isn't "poor" in dive bombing in RL (I presume that -- no one in right mind would go more than 700kmh in dive in WW2 combat situations), it's just in this game that some other fighters you can do that, pull out and survive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jabberwocky_
03-07-2005, 09:54 AM
Quote

6)I dive straight into the ground at 600mph, because the P-38's controls are locked.
_______________________________________________

Use the P-38's brakes. That's what they're there for, and they work great, easily making the difference between exploding into tiny bits and pulling out to make another attack.

Jabberwocky

AFJ_Skyghost
03-07-2005, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (who "worte" under several nom de plumes, one of which was Lewis Carroll). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WORTE?????

Troll2k
03-07-2005, 03:15 PM
Olegese has been assimilated into the English language.

Troll2k
03-07-2005, 03:25 PM
As for the word decimate check the dictionary.It has a few meanings.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=decimate
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/decimate?view=uk
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=20081&dict=CALD
http://www.bartleby.com/61/35/D0073500.html

Korolov
03-07-2005, 11:23 PM
<-- Is a vulture. Also vulches.

Dolemite-
03-07-2005, 11:34 PM
I dunno if you guys know this or not, but this game was made in Russia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

strewth
03-08-2005, 12:10 AM
As a further point of interest. Decimation was commonly used by the Roman army as a punishment for an army that did not perform adequately or retreated in battle. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Kvarium
03-08-2005, 10:38 AM
Didn't the Russians send soldiers who ran from battle to Siberia?

LilHorse
03-08-2005, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jex_TG:
As for vultching - that practice is reserved only for loosers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a war sim. If it happened in the war (which it did) then it should happen online. Deal with it or don't fly those servers that allow it. Those that don't allow it are, IMHO, sissy arcade type servers.

VonKlugermon
03-08-2005, 01:45 PM
Isn't the term "frag" from the U.S. Civil War or earlier? Think it means to kill one's own commanding officer...

Oh, and people down here in Florida mistakenly call Vultures: Buzzards! The difference being one has feathers on the head (Buzzards) and one doesn't (Vulture). So logically if you Vulch someone in this game, you MUST be bald! Of course you could argue that a Vulture only eats carrion, (dead meat), so if you are a Vulcher, you only shoot at those that are already dead, so a Kill Stealer, is really just a Vulcher and blah, blah, blah, blah...etc.,etc.

Willy

BSS_Goat
03-08-2005, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Oh, and people down here in Florida mistakenly call Vultures: Buzzards!

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Call em buzzards in Virginia too.

Philipscdrw
03-08-2005, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jabberwocky_:
Quote

6)I dive straight into the ground at 600mph, because the P-38's controls are locked.
_______________________________________________

Use the P-38's brakes. That's what they're there for, and they work great, easily making the difference between exploding into tiny bits and pulling out to make another attack.

Jabberwocky <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was flying the Juliet version the time...

Philipscdrw
03-08-2005, 02:56 PM
I assumed people who strike landing or departing aircraft over the enemy airbase were called 'vultures' because they're circling around, looking for an easy kill to dive on...

Hoatee
03-08-2005, 04:13 PM
Could always try the P40B single mission offline (can't remember whether it was one or two). There you have to take off while zeros are attacking your af at Pearl Harbour. That's vulching for you - and based on reality.

TooMuchCheese
03-08-2005, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kvarium:
Didn't the Russians send soldiers who ran from battle to Siberia? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No...the USSR routinely shot ANYONE (Nagant in the neck) even SLIGHTLY suspected of not being 100% commited....sort of made a believer of ALL their combatants.
NKVD political officers attached to every millitary unit looked after the admin...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ImpStarDuece
03-08-2005, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Isn't the term "frag" from the U.S. Civil War or earlier? Think it means to kill one's own commanding officer...

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To the best of my knowledge the term 'frag' actually arose during the Vietnam War. It was however a term for killing a senior or commanding officer.

The word 'frag' is actually short for 'fragmentation' as in 'fragmentation grenade'. Supposedly it was the weapon of choice when troops whished to make a senior office not so senior anymore. So if you 'fragged' someone they were killed with a pineapple grenade.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by TooMuchCheese: No...the USSR routinely shot ANYONE (Nagant in the neck) even SLIGHTLY suspected of not being 100% commited....sort of made a believer of ALL their combatants.
NKVD political officers attached to every millitary unit looked after the admin...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The USSR did send dissenters and deserters to Siberia, as well as top scientists, aircraft, weapon and tank designers who fell out of popularity. There was even a euphemism for it; 'Being sent to count trees' a reference to the fact that there was almost nothing remotely in the way of civilisation in Siberia.

Suspicion was a byproudct of a State run by a highly paranoid and rapacious individual. The end result of this was a huge security apparatus dedicated to snuffing any potential dissent.

I have heard stories of NKVD security troops setting up heavy machine gun positions behind their own troops to make sure that the attack was carried out and no-one retreated.

The NKVD position within the ranks of the Red Army went in cycles, sometimes it was there in force and other times it was out of favour and couldn't really do anything. Particularly later in the war the 'political officers' progressively played less and less of a role and diminished in imprortance.

widgeon
03-08-2005, 09:03 PM
Usually vultures are after already dead stuff, whereas eagles and hawks circle above and dive down to their unsuspecting prey.


Therefore I will consider myself an eagle from now on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Widgeon

BSS_Goat
03-08-2005, 09:06 PM
****looks around ****http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif hey widgeon your a duck

JR_Greenhorn
03-08-2005, 09:46 PM
I've been enjoying these forums a little too much this evening, and as a result, I'm just dying to see the classic "how smart I am today." Would somebody please make my evening and post that gem?

Way to read the whole thread, strewth.

widgeon
03-09-2005, 02:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
****looks around ****http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif hey widgeon your a duck <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Shhhhhhh!



Widgeon

Sturm_Williger
03-09-2005, 03:53 AM
Ah, this looks like the exact thread I've been looking for to ask this question.

What is the etymology of "pwn" ? Where did it come from ? Was it originally a typo of "own" ?

How do you pronounce it ? What EXACTLY does it mean ?

Cheers
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Philipscdrw
03-09-2005, 06:14 AM
I assumed that 'pwn' is a typo of 'own', and I tend to pronounce it 'pwn'. Generally it means 'mop the floor with', as in 'Frank pwns John' = 'Frank mops the floor with John'.

Hendley
03-09-2005, 06:15 AM
Mistype of "own" (similar to "teh" and some others). Pronounced "pawn" (maybe regional variations?). Means the same as "own", but sounds more l33ty.

Cess-SGTRoc
03-09-2005, 06:27 AM
Did you ever think that the word is not misspelled?
As the english teacher has said, new spelling for a new meaning for the word, the one applies to a bird. The second applies to it's namesake, A manmade machine with a pilot who acts the same as the bird.
I am one of the worst spellers in English, but that was easy to look up. I say this not to make anyone mad.
I say this because there are too many non english speaking people here, and too many english spellings of the same word in the english language, for us to get onto someone for spelling.

dgaggi
03-09-2005, 07:22 AM
Chuck Yeager once vulched a 262 on final. I suppose that makes him a looser. That fact is that if an enemy aircraft can get to your base unabated then you should expect to shot on the ground. If I get there, you can count on it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I expect it/except it when it happens to me. Suck it up and move to a different base! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif War is hell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif lol

llandaff
03-09-2005, 09:42 AM
ImpStarDuece, you have some mistakes in your post.

First:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The USSR did send dissenters and deserters to Siberia, as well as top scientists, aircraft, weapon and tank designers who fell out of popularity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mix imprisonment and evacuation. Political prisoners were sent to GULAG camps, but not necessarily to Siberia. USSR is very large, and has north regions, Kazakhstan and other south republics, far east etc. Scientist teams were moved to evacuation to the Ural and sometimes Western Siberia. Some scientist teams were a mix of two previous cases - they were forcefully moved into half prison half design bureaus.

Second:
[QUOTE]There was even a euphemism for it; 'Being sent to count trees' a reference to the fact that there was almost nothing remotely in the way of civilisation in Siberia.[QUOTE]

Prisoners in camps were doing forced labour. Some worked in mines and quarries, some were busy at construction sites, but most common job was lumber production (lesopoval). So, "counting trees" mean "cutting trees on lesopoval".

Atomic_Marten
03-09-2005, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dgaggi:
Chuck Yeager once vulched a 262 on final. I suppose that makes him a looser. That fact is that if an enemy aircraft can get to your base unabated then you should expect to shot on the ground. If I get there, you can count on it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I expect it/except it when it happens to me. Suck it up and move to a different base! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif War is hell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he. To be honest, anyone who uses BnZ tactic is also a vulcher too. If we strictly apply that 'powerless' part into our definition. Other words it isn't mucho different to BnZ somebody going 400kph more than him cause he can't do nothing in order to prevent being hit. And if you miss, don't worry just make loop and dive again. Eventually you must get him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Let's face it, we are not *that* smart because we get airborne earlier than our oppo and get more alt adequatly. And so we can use that alt to shot our oppo down. Nothing smart there.

I'm always using alt advantage if possible so that makes me .. kinda coward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I agree that with vluching on, things are much more fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Like dgaggi says.. I agree.

BlitzPig_Frat
03-09-2005, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Isn't the term "frag" from the U.S. Civil War or earlier? Think it means to kill one's own commanding officer...

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe you are referring to the word FRATRICIDE . Which is what my "Callsign" is really, but shortened to "Frat" via UBI's SN character limitations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Daiichidoku
03-09-2005, 09:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Isn't the term "frag" from the U.S. Civil War or earlier? Think it means to kill one's own commanding officer...

Oh, and people down here in Florida mistakenly call Vultures: Buzzards! The difference being one has feathers on the head (Buzzards) and one doesn't (Vulture). So logically if you Vulch someone in this game, you MUST be bald! Of course you could argue that a Vulture only eats carrion, (dead meat), so if you are a Vulcher, you only shoot at those that are already dead, so a Kill Stealer, is really just a Vulcher and blah, blah, blah, blah...etc.,etc.

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

does that mean if you have hair and do it, you're a...buzzer?



and...ummmmmmm when people say "looser", are they referring to the fact that one may be less purdish as others, or are they misspelling "loser"...or attempting to say "loser", but with emphasis on the "ooo" part..if so, try "looooser" instead...3 or more "o"'s, please...this is an estabished literary rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif...hmmm maybe its just me, not being hip and with it for using such scintillating terms of the "net-age", like "pwned", "teh", r0xxor, and all that stuff...

wont ppl please stop inserting numbers in place of letters and/or "z"'s whenever and whereever they can?

writing in phoenetics indicates to many a lack of intelligence

Saburo_0
03-10-2005, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Oh, and people down here in Florida mistakenly call Vultures: Buzzards!

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Call em buzzards in Virginia too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in So. Illinois

Saburo_0
03-10-2005, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hendley:
Mistype of "own" (similar to "teh" and some others). Pronounced "pawn" (maybe regional variations?). Means the same as "own", but sounds more l33ty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

l33ty ??

r0xxor ??

Philipscdrw
03-10-2005, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_Frat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VonKlugermon:
Isn't the term "frag" from the U.S. Civil War or earlier? Think it means to kill one's own commanding officer...

Willy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe you are referring to the word FRATRICIDE . Which is what my "Callsign" is really, but shortened to "Frat" via UBI's SN character limitations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought that 'fratricide' means to kill your brother..

*Just checked Google. Yes, that's what it means. Fratricide is friendly fire...

*Just re-read the original post - to kill one's OWN commanding officer. Ah.