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zbig77
08-28-2006, 07:39 AM
Hi,

Its my first post on this forum, so first of all: Salute!

Im reading the forum for some time now and I got the impression that lots of flight sim specialists are here.
Im plying IL2 and PF for about a year now and it became more intensive lately.
Currently Im looking for solutions / products which extend the immersion of the sim. I have some first experiences with TrancIRs head tracking.
The other thing that interests me is tactile sensation in sims. Do you guys have any experience with it? Searching the web I have found an interesting product and I would love to hear from anybody using it about his experiences. Its the "ivibe".

http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm

All of the descriptions on the site look really good, but I wonder what is the real experience with it. What about support for PF and upcomming SOW:BOB ?

Any info would be appreciated.

Crash_Moses
08-28-2006, 08:01 AM
Hmmm...interesting. I'd like to know well it works too. I'd rather spend $240 on a new video card but if it's as good as they say...

And it certainly looks comfy.

Bearcat99
08-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Cant speak for anyone else... but for me the best tactile enhancement for simming is FFB... TIR is great too.. dont get me wrong.... but FFB definitely adds to the feel aspect of things.

You said IL2 & PF.... I am assuming then and correct me if I am wrong that you bought that Ultimate Flight Sim Collection (IL2, PF & LOMAC) that UBI put out a few months back. If you dont have FB & The AEP you are missing out.... Go to this site here (http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGamer.storefront/EN/product/001IL2C) and check out the Ultimate IL2 collection... Well worth it IMO. Considering that the Forgotten Battles GOLD pack which is FB & The AEP on one CD .... sells for $30... for $5 more you can get the whole shebang on one DVD.

zbig77
08-28-2006, 02:05 PM
From the descriptions it looks for me this is also an art of force feedback device (if that is what you ment with FFB). I cannot say what kind of response the motors used in this device give. If it is only vibration or something more.

I own the Ultimate IL2 Collection. I didnt know about the version with LOMAC.

Cpig
08-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Get the Buttkicker Gamer if you want to really feel the game. I have the bigger buttkicker for home theater (which works well for gaming too but a little expensive). Then I saw a promo where the manufacturer was giving a $50 rebate, this combined with a sale price of $100 = $50 for a Buttkicker Gamer - I couldn't pass on that deal.
It's designed to attach to your computer chair (I rigged mine to my simpit). It is awesome, you can feel the engine rumble and your seat shakes when firing the guns too. It hooks into your subwoofer/bass channel and converts these sounds into vibration. Get one, I don't think you'll be dissappointed.

http://www.thebuttkicker.com/ButtKicker%20Gamer_home.html

leitmotiv
08-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Finally---flying by the seat of my pants---SOLD.

BrotherVoodoo
08-28-2006, 04:40 PM
S!
Very nice looking unit. I did the same thing with Bass Shakers from Aurora .
You can find kits on ebay, thats where I got mine. Get them (only if you want to FEEL the guns and engine)!! You will not regret it. It enhances games and music. And as they produce hardly any sound you can use them late in the night with headphones. I have 2 installed in my lazyboy, one in the seat and one in the back. I Think I only paid 70$ for everything including the amp and shipping.

zbig77
08-28-2006, 09:36 PM
Hi again,

The whole idea of the 'TFS2' TACTILE FEEDBACK SYSTEM - as its officially called on the manufacturer page ( http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm ) is that its not 'just' a simple subwoofer driven schaker. The review at http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/vrf.htm
look really good. I just want to say that if those things that are written there are true you can forget the subwoofer solution. This an sort of sitting matte with groups of motors which are programable (just look at the page to get the idea). Looks like there are already some modules developed for sims like FS, and mora are to come.

I havent seen any negative feedback from people using it (the problem is there is not to much feedback to be found - he could really boost his marketing there). And as for being sceptical, well I was sceptical before getting and trying TrackIR on my own too (how am I supposed to see the monitor if im turning my head ? Am I supposed to fix the monitor to my head ? OH You can calibrate it ... OH its enough to turn just a little ... OH).

So please if someome seen it in action tell us about those OHs or BLAHs.

Bearcat99
08-28-2006, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Cpig:
Get the Buttkicker Gamer if you want to really feel the game. I have the bigger buttkicker for home theater (which works well for gaming too but a little expensive). Then I saw a promo where the manufacturer was giving a $50 rebate, this combined with a sale price of $100 = $50 for a Buttkicker Gamer - I couldn't pass on that deal.
It's designed to attach to your computer chair (I rigged mine to my simpit). It is awesome, you can feel the engine rumble and your seat shakes when firing the guns too. It hooks into your subwoofer/bass channel and converts these sounds into vibration. Get one, I don't think you'll be dissappointed.
http://www.thebuttkicker.com/ButtKicker%20Gamer_home.html

I cant find the rebate on that link... but I did find this....
Here is another link for a ButtKicker Rebate:

This is just like the one mentioned above (http://dealnews.com/deals/Butt-Kicker-BK-GR-Gamer-for-50-shipped-after-rebate/128736.html)

Must be purchased by 8-31-06 though..

Actually after purchasing the thing was only $89.99.. I did get the 2 day shipping though.. which brought it up to $114.. but still.. with a $50 rebate.... thats less than I paid for my first MSFFB stick.

Crash_Moses
08-30-2006, 01:25 PM
I think they should give out a few to the flight sim community to get the ball rolling...get some positive reviews.

I call dibs! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
08-31-2006, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Cpig:
Get the Buttkicker Gamer if you want to really feel the game. I have the bigger buttkicker for home theater (which works well for gaming too but a little expensive). Then I saw a promo where the manufacturer was giving a $50 rebate, this combined with a sale price of $100 = $50 for a Buttkicker Gamer - I couldn't pass on that deal.
It's designed to attach to your computer chair (I rigged mine to my simpit). It is awesome, you can feel the engine rumble and your seat shakes when firing the guns too. It hooks into your subwoofer/bass channel and converts these sounds into vibration. Get one, I don't think you'll be dissappointed.

http://www.thebuttkicker.com/ButtKicker%20Gamer_home.html

OK what did you do cause I cant get a peep out of mine. I just got it yesterday and I knowit is hooked up properly.. when I test my speakers it works.. but I cant get it to do squat in the sim.

WWSensei
08-31-2006, 06:03 AM
I'd say the chances of 1C supporting ivibe products is pretty much nil unless ivibe begs him. Oleg hasn't supported long standing 3rd party products like Simkits and Goflight so I doubt he'd support some product just getting started.

zbig77
08-31-2006, 06:19 AM
From what I have understood from the ivibe forums the developer is already in contact with developers.
Maybe the market is not ready yet for product like that. The "subwoofer solutions" just begin to apear and it look like the ivibe is one step further (technologicaly), but not yet in peoples minds. Its like 2 DOF vs 6 DOF on the TrackIR scale, but people seem to be happy with the 2 DOF solution and the critical mass of those want more then that is not yet reached.
Maybe we have to go all the way in between with small steps. Thats how it looks like for me.

Tully__
08-31-2006, 07:58 AM
BC, I'd guess if it's going to work at all it'll need FFB enabled for the Windows device number corresponding to the unit. IIRC you already have an MS FFB stick? If so I don't think you'll get it running without losing FFB on the joystick, comments I've seen here suggest the game only send to one FFB/Rumble device at a time.

Hopefully I'm wrong though...let us know if you make any progress.

Bearcat99
08-31-2006, 02:01 PM
From the documentation it is supposed to work based on the low end frequencys.. I had it hooked up to a Y plug with my subwoofer.. which still works fine BTW.. going to the other end. I tests great when I am testing my 5.1 config.. when the subwoofer test tone goes off it works great... at this point though I think Ill just send it back and get my money back.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif....
Sorry if anyone followed my lead and jumped on it... Who knows.. I may test it out on the X-box and let my son keep it.... I dunno... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I have a ferw days so I wont rush it.. but I am disapointed.

Cpig
08-31-2006, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
OK what did you do cause I cant get a peep out of mine. I just got it yesterday and I knowit is hooked up properly.. when I test my speakers it works.. but I cant get it to do squat in the sim.

Bear,
I remember the instructions weren't exactly clear on how to hook it up. They were a little confusing so I had to do a little trial and error but I did get it working eventually.

Here are a few things to check:
1. On the back of the amp make sure your two prong cable that comes from the buttkicker is plugged in correctly. It actually has a + and - marker on it (I had to look closely at it). Make sure + is going into the red hole, etc...

2. Did you have an enclosed addendum/red card that says: "STOP Attention! READ THIS FIRST" on how to hook up the ground loop isolator? I did and it just confused me.
Try this:
On this isolator(looks like a D-cell battery) you have four RCA plugs - a red and black male coming out of one end and red and black female coming out of the other.
o Take the isolator and plug the black male RCA jack into the single RCA plug on the back of the amp.
o Hook the isolator's red male to it's red female RCA jack.
o You should only have one free RCA jack coming from the isolator now (black female). Take the 5' RCA to Mini cable (red and black RCA plug on one end and a single black mini connector on the other) and plug the BLACK male RCA plug from this cable into the BLACK female RCA plug from your isolator.
THE RED RCA PLUG FROM THE 5' RCA TO MINI CABLE IS NOT USED.

Y-Connector:
o Plug male end of the Y-connector into your computer's subwoofer channel.
o For the two female ends of the Y-connector, plug your subwoofer into one and the "Black Mini" plug from your 5' RCA to MINI cable into the other.

Check to make sure you are hooked up like I described. I thought I had it hooked up correctly (per the instructions) at first too but nothing happened until I started switching plugs around.

Also double check the simple things like the volume on the Amp.

Hope you get it working, it really adds to the realism.

Joe

Bearcat99
09-03-2006, 10:29 PM
OOoOOoOoOoOoOOOooOOooo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

This thing is interesting.... I finally got it to work!! I think Ill keep it... I hooked up the Y plug not to my subwoofer but to my green jack.... it isant bad... certrainly worth the $39

hamrtime
09-04-2006, 12:01 AM
If you want tactical immersation, get yourself Teamspeack and or ventrillo and find a squadren. If you dont know what TS/Vent are, they are programs that let people talk to eachother over the internet. They are complitly free if you are using the client version.

www.goteamspeak.com (http://www.goteamspeak.com)

zbig77
09-04-2006, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by hamrtime:
If you want tactical immersation, get yourself Teamspeack and or ventrillo and find a squadren. If you dont know what TS/Vent are, they are programs that let people talk to eachother over the internet. They are complitly free if you are using the client version.

www.goteamspeak.com (http://www.goteamspeak.com)

I surelly know teamspeak, couldnt live without it. It ceirtainly adds to immersion, but on this topic I was asking more about tactile, force feedback, haptics etc.

x6BL_Brando
09-04-2006, 04:46 AM
I'll put in another vote for TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I haven't used FFB for many years, preferring the accuracy & feel of CH, but I don't miss it too much. But, take away my head-tracker and I'd be totally lost. It may not be 'tactile' in the sense of vibrations - but there's nothing like actually following a plane with your eyes using (albeit reduced) head movements.
6DOF would be even better - leaning side to side, leaning forward & back - but we won't see it in old FB.

I guess pedals could be described as tactile - I feel them moving, so.... I never heard of force feedback for pedals yet but that would really add something special imo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Especially in old planes with wire-controlled surfaces! Imagine the effect in an overspeed situation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

B.

Pentallion
09-05-2006, 12:32 PM
What I want to know is do you simply feel vibrations of things like bullet hits and guns firing, or does it actually give you seat of the pants sensation? Meaning, can you tell your AOA by feel alone?

If so, I'd definately get it. I'd love to be able to feel if the plane's nosing up too much or not.

Bearcat99
09-07-2006, 09:43 PM
Look... the butt kicker will only give you vibrations.. it wont move your seat to the left or right... it wont raise or lower it... and one thng I dont like is when I go external or even when I look around and my sound changes.... the vibration changes.. but to me thats ok.... as having the throb of the engine coming up through my set gives me a greater sense of being there.

Persecutor_352
09-07-2006, 11:09 PM
Buttkicker is an interesting toy, and does add to the immersion level. Unfortunately for me I have not yet found a way to get it to work in conjunction with my USB headset. I fear I cannot. I have an email in to the company asking for their input.

At this point, IF you are using a USB headset, Buttkicker isn't an option; it gets its signal from the soundcard output.

Cpig
09-08-2006, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Persecutor_352:
Buttkicker is an interesting toy, and does add to the immersion level. Unfortunately for me I have not yet found a way to get it to work in conjunction with my USB headset. I fear I cannot. I have an email in to the company asking for their input.

At this point, IF you are using a USB headset, Buttkicker isn't an option; it gets its signal from the soundcard output.


For me, it would be the other way around; the USB headset wouldn't be the option. I'd much rather keep my Buttkicker and trade my USB headset in for a compatible model headset.

DESKFLYER
09-24-2006, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by zbig77:
Hi again,

The whole idea of the 'TFS2' TACTILE FEEDBACK SYSTEM - as its officially called on the manufacturer page ( http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm ) is that its not 'just' a simple subwoofer driven schaker. The review at http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/vrf.htm
look really good. I just want to say that if those things that are written there are true you can forget the subwoofer solution. This an sort of sitting matte with groups of motors which are programable (just look at the page to get the idea). Looks like there are already some modules developed for sims like FS, and mora are to come.

I havent seen any negative feedback from people using it (the problem is there is not to much feedback to be found - he could really boost his marketing there). And as for being sceptical, well I was sceptical before getting and trying TrackIR on my own too (how am I supposed to see the monitor if im turning my head ? Am I supposed to fix the monitor to my head ? OH You can calibrate it ... OH its enough to turn just a little ... OH).

So please if someome seen it in action tell us about those OHs or BLAHs.

these people are into somethig interesting -
racing simulator on intellivibe basisMotion seat using "Intellivibe". Video. (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=266543)

Bearcat99
09-24-2006, 03:43 PM
I only use my USB headset for comms.....

zbig77
09-25-2006, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by DESKFLYER:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zbig77:
Hi again,

The whole idea of the 'TFS2' TACTILE FEEDBACK SYSTEM - as its officially called on the manufacturer page ( http://www.ivibe.com/default.htm ) is that its not 'just' a simple subwoofer driven schaker. The review at http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/vrf.htm
look really good. I just want to say that if those things that are written there are true you can forget the subwoofer solution. This an sort of sitting matte with groups of motors which are programable (just look at the page to get the idea). Looks like there are already some modules developed for sims like FS, and mora are to come.

I havent seen any negative feedback from people using it (the problem is there is not to much feedback to be found - he could really boost his marketing there). And as for being sceptical, well I was sceptical before getting and trying TrackIR on my own too (how am I supposed to see the monitor if im turning my head ? Am I supposed to fix the monitor to my head ? OH You can calibrate it ... OH its enough to turn just a little ... OH).

So please if someome seen it in action tell us about those OHs or BLAHs.

these people are into somethig interesting -
racing simulator on intellivibe basisMotion seat using "Intellivibe". Video. (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=266543) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the link. Some interesting information on this forum to. Looks like people do crazy things with this system.
I would love to see system like that in action with flightsim.

roybaty
09-25-2006, 07:52 PM
Am I the only one chuckling about a product named "Intellivibe"?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Cpig
09-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
Am I the only one chuckling about a product named "Intellivibe"?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Maybe they should get together with Thrustmaster Joysticks and come up with a line of Womens' Adult toys.

oqvist
10-21-2006, 02:27 PM
Tell me about it. Try to search on ivibe and see what you find http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have a buttkicker gamer and that is absolutely phenomenal. If you use an office chair that is. 99$ you can´t beat that deal and it´s quality.

However since I am racing a lot I just got a playseat and the buttkicker don´t work to well with that so I am looking for an ivibe...

Hopefully it will be a full good replacement and it surely has potential to be better... But I hardly think that it´s a better deal at 250 then a buttkicker at 99...

But I hope I will be proven wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Only worries is how well it will fit my playseat. That seat is just so comfortable its incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nimits
10-22-2006, 01:56 AM
I bought an TFS seat several years ago. While it is currently ont he fritz, I definately recommend it for all flight simmers out there. The only negative (as far as IVibe is concerned) is that IL-2 does not have the necessary software coding to fully take advantage vrf software features. However, the basic sound-based and joystick-based (where the seat vibrates based on stick, throttle, and rudder movement) tactile feedback still works fine.

wehyam
10-26-2006, 12:29 PM
I dont know if I dare ask this..

Does anybody know of a FFB yoke? and while we're at it FFB pedals..

I use CH pedals and they are suboptimal. 1) they have a nasty clunky 'zero' slot on the travel.. which I believe is unlike anything on a real plane.. I partially fixed this by cutting off the stop.. a trick given by someone on glidng sim (of course the warranty is violated)and 2)they, like the CH yoke (for MSFS) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif dont have any force feed back..
I think I remember someone telling me you dont move the controls so much as lean on them.This implies FFB

whatever..BTW how come no one has mentioned Anne Summers on this thread.. ??? Just type Thruster (its a make of microlight) on Google. and see what you get.. Sorry, bloody juvenile http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

regards wehyam

SaintAnger_NV
10-28-2006, 12:00 AM
zbig77


DESKFLYER and zbig77 are paid shills for Intellivibe. They've been through several different gaming forums pushing that pile of a chair. This thread should be deleted.

Nimits
10-28-2006, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by SaintAnger_NV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">zbig77


DESKFLYER and zbig77 are paid shills for Intellivibe. They've been through several different gaming forums pushing that pile of a chair. This thread should be deleted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah? Well, I don't know about that . . .

But either way, I can guarantee you I'm not (just an enthusastic user), and I do recommend the Ivibe seat to anyone with the cash to spend (and who already has a TRackIR and HOTAS). It is money well spend (finally got mine working again). No harm in letting people know about a cool product.

If enough people are interested, maybe Oleg will put in the "hook" for Itellivibe to work in Pacific Fighters, or at least include one for SoW.

DESKFLYER
10-31-2006, 06:31 AM
great - when i get paid i will be abel to
get one sent to me here in denmark -
by the way what's a "shills" ?

better check my signature on all the forums i the world next time i post - deskflyerhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifnly
on this forum



Originally posted by SaintAnger_NV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">zbig77


DESKFLYER and zbig77 are paid shills for Intellivibe. They've been through several different gaming forums pushing that pile of a chair. This thread should be deleted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>