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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 12:39 PM
ok, i'm looking for a half decent joystick that won't break the bank, but also won't break itself after using it for an hour. So what is a good joystick for IL-2, what joysticks are everyone else using ??

i'm probably lookin at a Logitech WingMan Extreme or a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro 2. Anyone have any experience with either of these joysticks, if so what are they like ?

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 12:39 PM
ok, i'm looking for a half decent joystick that won't break the bank, but also won't break itself after using it for an hour. So what is a good joystick for IL-2, what joysticks are everyone else using ??

i'm probably lookin at a Logitech WingMan Extreme or a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro 2. Anyone have any experience with either of these joysticks, if so what are they like ?

Tully__
07-21-2003, 12:43 PM
My standard response. Look at:

Microsoft
Saitek
Thrustmaster
CH Procucts

Spend at least US$35

Buy the one YOU like.

Your suggestion of the MS Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 is a good one, they seem to be quite popular and reliable. I use the Saitek X45.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 12:48 PM
If you are willing to spend a bit of time setting it up I would go for a Saitek X45. Good HOTAS with a good price (approx 70 - in UK) or maybe a MS Force Feedback stick with an X45 throttle as many have said this is a good combo.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 12:51 PM
thanks, i'll have a look at those other brands u listed. And altho i am in australia, so US$35 is somewhere around 80-100 here, which is what i'm looking at to fork out

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 01:18 PM
I got a MS Sidewinder Pro that has been with me for ages now. And it still works like a charm.
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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 01:23 PM
whatever you get .. go for USB not analog

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 02:26 PM
Nobody using Logitech?

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 03:52 PM
I have one of these;

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/911.gif

Logitech Freedom 2.4 Ghz Cordless
* 10 buttons (18 commands when one button is assigned as a shift)
* Smooth heavy metal throttle design
* Twisty handle for rudder control
* Cordless
* $60.00-70.00 U.S.



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Message Edited on 07/21/0309:52AM by BpGemini

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 04:17 PM
Saitek cyborg 3d gold arround $30 US has worked great for me for the last 3 years

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:17 PM
Yep I use a Logitech Force 3D J/stick.

Works well. Not much else to say lol!

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:36 PM
You guys with the cordless Joysticks,

Do you notice that they are less responsive having no wires? I know many wireless mice had serious issues when you tried to use them in games, even an extra aplit second of delay could be a killer. And, do you use wireless mice as well? Same question there, and if no, what are you using?

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:28 PM
I read that the Logitech Freedom cordless that was mentioned has no lag noticeable at all.

Anyone here using the Logitech Extreme? Was wondering how it compares to the Saitek Cyborg gold.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:39 PM
all i can say is that TM hotas cougar sucks, it wont last a year. had 2 of em.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 06:51 PM
US_8th_Dosiere wrote:
- You guys with the cordless Joysticks,
-
- Do you notice that they are less responsive having
- no wires? I know many wireless mice had serious
- issues when you tried to use them in games, even an
- extra aplit second of delay could be a killer. And,
- do you use wireless mice as well? Same question
- there, and if no, what are you using?



I've used a Microsoft Wireless mouse. The lag, on the mouse, was very little but still slightly noticeable. I've used a Logitech Extreme (corded) and it has virtually the same response time as my wireless Logitech Freedom. The down side of wireless is you need batteries, three AAA to be exact. Which is no big deal for me since I bought a six-battery charger and have it charging under my computer desk. I have three batteries in use and three batteries in reserve at all times. One other thing to watch for is the joystick will turn itself off to conserve energy, so if you're in a long flight with your aircraft trimmed out for hands-free flying, you'll need to remember to hit a button on the joystick to reactivate it before you get to the action. I fly DFs mostly so it's never an issue for me.




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Message Edited on 07/21/0312:52PM by BpGemini

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 07:06 PM
Gemini....
Cordless bit aside, is the Extreme as nice a stick as the Freedom as far as feel goes? I wouldn't want to pay the extra money just for the cordless feature, but I would if the Freedom was better quality/feel.

And what is DF that you mentioned?
Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 07:23 PM
Valcor07 wrote:
- Gemini....
- Cordless bit aside, is the Extreme as nice a stick
- as the Freedom as far as feel goes? I wouldn't want
- to pay the extra money just for the cordless
- feature, but I would if the Freedom was better
- quality/feel.
-
- And what is DF that you mentioned?
- Thanks!


The extreme was a nice stick. The rudder pots seem to go out after a while. I found if you take the Extreme apart and add a little lubrication to the pots the stick lasts longer. The Freedom seems much more durable thus far. I've had it for about a year with no problems and no need for maintenance. The throttle lever is made of real metal instead of plastic and the handle has a hard rubber feel to it instead of a plastic feel like most sticks.

DF = Dog fight.
I fly online Dog Fight servers almost exclusively. There's more action so your stick is always moving and buttons are being pressed as well. In an online Co-op you may fly 10-15 minutes with out action. In those cases a lot of people will trim their plane out so they don't have to hold the stick. In those cases the stick might shut its self off temporarily until you hit a button.



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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:20 PM
I have the Logitech Wingma Extreme 3D, it works well.

Right about the rudder though, I will try to lubricate now though.



Message Edited on 07/21/0307:24PM by B.E.L.B.H.D.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 10:54 PM
I have the Saitek X36 but want the Cougar!
Prob will get the X45 as my stck now is not programmable with WinXP.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:19 AM
Might I recommend checking this out. Saitek X-45 HOTAS, reconditioned by Saitek, 39.99 USD.

http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/x45digjoyand1.html


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:47 AM
Logitech Digital Extreme is good for a year or so then the rudder starts spiking terribly. Saitek 3D Cyborg Gold smoother and lasted longer, but rudder started wandering after 2.5 years, although not as bad as Logitech Digital Extreme.

What is a good low end stick that uses optical or other method besides POTs? That seems to be the critical thing that makes the stick unuseable for me. Are the new Saitek Cyborg that have the thumb throttle any good?

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:42 AM
Loditech extreme was good.. but now I have the LOgi Wingman Strike Force 3D which is great

FF is more fun ........... and the wheel control is great for the new 'increase view angle/decrease view angle that is in FB

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:03 AM
Enufine doesn't know what he is talking about. The Cougar is state of the art right now. Take a trip to

http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/index.php

and count the people who trust Cougar HOTAS. I am proud owner of #9368. Had it for over a year easy, and no problems whatsoever. Best Joystick that I have ever had, and I have been through Thrustmaster and CH best products, and the Cougar wins hands down.

You can buy a Saitek many times, or you can get one stick, the Cougar.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:06 AM
IMO The Saitek X45 is the best bang for your buck. It is a good thing that FB supports multiple controllers... I use the X45 in conjunction with the MSFFB.... nice setup. I only touch my keyboard when I am viewing tracks...

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Tully__
07-22-2003, 11:14 AM
cjftyikkjb wrote:
- And altho i am in australia.....



So am I. Look at AUS$80+

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:00 PM
I also live in Australia, and I'm looking at a HOTAS that rarely get any spotlight - it's quite new actually:

http://www.gamesmarket.com.au/details.cfm?ProdID=5068&

Can be had for $179 AUD - although its expensive I have heard that it is a beast, and someone even claimed it was almost unbreakable.

Force Feedback should be good also...

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:18 PM
Does the Saitek Cyborg series have a twist grip handle?

Tully__
07-22-2003, 02:07 PM
PsychoninIII wrote:
- Does the Saitek Cyborg series have a twist grip
- handle?
-
-

Yes. I prefer the X45 though (I've had both)

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:22 PM
Having never owned a FF joystick I was thinking of picking up the new logitech extreme...the one with the smaller base that doesnt take up half your desktop.

My qestion is (this may apply to any FF joysticks) is the FF any good in il2? Does it get annoying? If so is there an option in the software to enable a centering spring force in stead of FF effects (specificly logitech extreme).
how much does FF impact on system performance?

I am not too worried about the twist rudder lasting because I use my formula force gp pedals instead.

My first Joy was a logiteck extreme (non FF) and has lasted 4 years with extensive maintenence in the las 1.5 (now deceased). My formula force gp wheel has lasted 3 years (now deceasedhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif so I would like to stick with logitech if possable as I find them a durable bit o plastichttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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