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HotelBushranger
04-22-2005, 01:07 AM
I just saw that at the video shop a couple days ago, and seeing someone had it in their sig I though it must be good. All I can say is...."Wow!" What an awesome movie! The love story aspect is a bit... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif but the action sequences were a masterpiece. Gonna try and get that to own on DVD when I find a chance. Anybody else seen it?

Wanna watch it again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

BTW Does anybody know the Squadron the Czechs in the movie flown in? Cheers

Dolemite-
04-22-2005, 01:29 AM
It is a very good movie as far as WW2 aeriral dogfight movies go, of course the only other movies in this category are "12 0' Clock High" and "The Memphis Belle". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

HansKnappstick
04-22-2005, 02:41 AM
It is a very moving film, and although there are some technical glitches (such as planes shooting each other at 20m) it compares very well to the competition.

Feathered_IV
04-22-2005, 03:00 AM
Tara Fitzgerald keeps her top on this time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
04-22-2005, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Tara Fitzgerald keeps her top on this time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, so I wasn't the only one to notice that one!!

mmmmmmmm....Tara.....mmmmmmmm

Feathered_IV
04-22-2005, 06:45 AM
I just noticed, Dark Blue World is showing on SBS on 8:30 Sunday night in Australia.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AWL_Spinner
04-22-2005, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>..of course the only other movies in this category are "12 0' Clock High" and "The Memphis Belle".. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How's about the peerless "Battle Of Britain" with Caine and co.? Some of the Dark Blue World sequences are polished up film from the Battle Of Britain cutting room floor.

Brilliant stuff, awesome air to air camera work. Looks a million times better than todays shiny physics-challenged CGI could ever do.

The Special Edition DVD has loads of extra goodies on it too.

Hristos
04-22-2005, 07:05 AM
Hmm, now that I think of it, there are very few movies about WW2 air combat.

Sure there are the likes of Memphis Belle or Tuskeegee Airmen, but somehow they feel a bit dry, especially to enthusiasts. Dark Blue World is quite accurate regarding air combat, but what is needed is Saving Private Ryan of airwar movies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I cannot wait until someone makes a movie about Hartmann, Rudel, Galland or Sakai. And with today's CGI it would be free of Buchons, BoB Spitfire IXs and of course - it could have flying Fw 190s !

PraetorHonoris
04-22-2005, 07:09 AM
I have seen Dark Blue World, I really love that film. I own it on DVD.
A very serious and (in the end) sad film, I think.

73GIAP_GSXR1000
04-22-2005, 07:33 AM
yeah whats with that ending, did he die????? or is he dreaming??? top film though

LeadSpitter_
04-22-2005, 08:27 AM
FRANTA!!!!!!!

Slickun
04-22-2005, 08:28 AM
Everyone that has posted above is dead on. What a suberb movie.

BTW, I didn't know the name of the Girl in the movie, but she is a LOOKER now. I wish she DID shuck em.

What stood out to me is the way these heroes, in every sense of the word, were treated by their homeland after the war. What a disgusting, pathetic turn of events. I was nearly brought to tears.

There is a movie out there called "Fighter Command" I think. It's fun to watch. The American planes are P-47's, the German planes are P-51's. Cool. There is a scene where the P-47's hide under a B-17 for protection. Amazingly fun! Rip snortin air action. Just take it with a grain of salt.

carguy_
04-22-2005, 08:34 AM
The love story ruined it for me.Can`t understand why ppl put this **** in movies of this type.

Memphis Bell was very good because no love **** was there and Messers actually presented a threat for fat cars unlike in some movies.It is also not about planes only,but about ppl flying them too.Young men fighting for their lives in the chaos of war.

JG301_nils
04-22-2005, 09:28 AM
I love Dark Blue World too, one of the best films on this topic, made by a brilliant filmmaker(same folks that made "Kolya"). Beliveable story very well acted by beliveable caracters, and Tara doesn´t make it less see-worthy at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Go see it if you haven´t.

I saw "Aviator" the other day, it was kind of dissapointing I thought. Some great plane scenes there but the rest wasn´t very much (except for the crash scene, but that was really well done! flames of course too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

Now, I do not want to hurt you americans(sorry), but I(as a european) feel that many american war movies often misses the points somehow and wades out into a soup of clichees and heroic action (like a Steven Seagal style..) European films have often a completely different angle to their films. Have a look at Dark Blue World, it´s really worth to buy and to own. (sorry again)

ytareh
04-22-2005, 09:32 AM
Apparently carguy love still exists in wartime .In fact it can reach epidemic levels!("Love,Sex and War1939-1945"Costello-Pan Books is a great read-got the impression it was more sex than love however...)

HotelBushranger
04-22-2005, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now, I do not want to hurt you americans(sorry), but I(as a european) feel that many american war movies often misses the points somehow and wades out into a soup of clichees and heroic action (like a Steven Seagal style..) European films have often a completely different angle to their films. Have a look at Dark Blue World, it´s really worth to buy and to own. (sorry again) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I too feel the same way. Hollywood budget gloritised movies are always lacking in quality, and often go for the heroic ending. Pearl Harbour for instance, and taht U-571, the scene where the destroyer blows up must have cost more than most movies. Prefer European movies, like BoB. Now that was fun to watch. Taka-taka-taka-taka-taka!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>yeah whats with that ending, did he die????? or is he dreaming??? top film though <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Think about it mate. But in the scene where Karel was skimming the waves, I was literally shouting "Rudder! RRUUUDDDDDDEERR!!!!"

My mate looked at me kinda wierd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The love story ruined it for me.Can`t understand why ppl put this **** in movies of this type. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I felt the same way straight after I saw it, but as its been a couple of days, I've thought about it. The love scenes, IMO, need to be balanced out with the action scenes, so both are appreciated more. If you removed the love, which I wouldn't mind in an aspect, I fear it would turn to just another Hollywood glorified action movie.

-HH-Dubbo
04-22-2005, 11:55 AM
Without the drama, it's a documentary. Getting the balance is the trick. PH had too much. DBW had the right amount. And although it's a sentimental favourite, BoB had too little. Really, it's one of the dryest war films out there. I cared for none of the characters and what drama there was seemed tacked on and woodenly acted (even though it was performed by some notable actors).

It was very much a re-inactment with some interesting footage (hell there were Hurricanes)and a lot of aircraft. But not really much of a movie.

Saunders1953
04-22-2005, 01:01 PM
On Wiley's Gun Camera site there was footage from a fairly recent-looking movie showing an attack by either a Spit or a Hurri on a train with an AA car. The plane is hit and does a belly landing, and they show it outside from the planes 12 (IIRC) and then from inside from a camera mounted in the cockpit facing the pilot. It looks real. Very real. Period. Not in the least F/X'd at all. Was that scene from DBW? Or maybe Piece of Cake? Anyone know? The scene was so good I'd buy whatever movie/show it was in just for that one sequence.

-HH-Dubbo
04-22-2005, 01:07 PM
Was a scene from DBW and was a combination of real footage, scale models,(the impact was a scale model....pretty cool huh?) and CGI. That whole scene is amazing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Saunders1953
04-22-2005, 01:12 PM
Dubbo: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Done. It's purchased.

Slickun
04-22-2005, 02:33 PM
To my European friends.

I'm with ya as far as Hollywood mucking everything up in order to get the drama built up. We put out some bad, bad movies. We take some movies and ruin them after filming by ridiculous editing. We turn some movies today into travesties because of PC. I can't think of a single young American actor that can pull off a tough guy role because he has been so wussified by the current climate in that town. We have to import Aussies and have them fake their accents. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even Vin Diesel has just completed a kiddie movie.

Some movies, like Lawrence of Arabia, would be better AS a documentary. Truth was stranger than fiction.

Forgive us, however, for putting an American spin on everything. They are almost always meant for American audiences. Money is the bottom line. Very few people leave theatres thinking what they saw was the unvarnished truth. Unlike a lot of us fanatics, they don't care if the P-51's in Saving Private Ryan are accurate, they want to be entertained. They don't even KNOW it was a P-51. It had a prop, wings, and the tanks blew up. Good enough.

I HOPE the Tom Cruise movie coming doesn't go too over the top. I hope his accomplishments are kept somewhere near reality. I hope the movie shows him as heroic, which he was, and gives us a great visual representation of the War in the Air in Europe.

boxmike
04-22-2005, 03:23 PM
Slickun, I think that was 'Fighter Squadron', have a seek in imdb.com.
Never saw it my self though. I reckon there would have been more real 109's left at the time movie was made (just after WW2). Ok, maybe 109s were not straight offered for movies that time. In 'Sahara'(Humphrey Bogart) the sole German plane was maybe A-36 Apache or other P-51 looking one (Someone confirm?)and that flick was made during the war.
Saunders, without seeing that I bet it was the strafing of train and the original site for DBW told that scene was more expensive that director's previous (prized) work 'Kolya'. That scene from pilot's point of view was awesome. I really miss those parts in BoB the Movie(but still rank it as top one).
For 'Memphis Belle' 1990, great movie, felt a bit sad upon learning that one of B-17 crashed during filming of it.
Another, 'Twelve a'clock High' with Gregory Peck, awesome also. I learned couple of weeks ago that the opening scene with belly landing B-17 was piloted by flight-movie man Paul Mantz; he landed DB-17G sn 44-83592 at Ozark Field, Alabama, and later reported that he could steer with wheel brakes even when wheels were retracted, still doing ground contact. Mantz was later killed when doing 'The Flight of the Phoenix'.
One interesting point of Twelve O'Clock High', I heard it has been used in management training http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nuff said, I feel I owe something to names Tallman, Mantz and Hanna, just regarding silver screen.

- box -

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-HH- Beebop
04-22-2005, 06:16 PM
Concerning the love story in DBW...

I know a lot of people dislike having that element in the film but think about it. You're risking your life daily. You know your next sortie may be your last. Most of your fellow pilots have been killed. You know that if you lose this battle you will be victim to the Nazi regime. There are few if any amenities on base. You get a weekend pass into London. If you don't get roaring drunk to forget the hell of war, what do you do? And if you fall in love as a result?.....

I felt that this was an important element of the film. For me it added to the "suspension of belief" needed to become totaly immersed.

Basically I'm saying that if I were in his position I would have done the same thing.

Besides, the action footage was stupendous!

I give it 5 stars and a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif! If you haven't seen it your doing yourself a disservice.

Buy or rent it now!

Slickun
04-22-2005, 06:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by boxmike:
Slickun, I think that was 'Fighter Squadron', have a seek in imdb.com.

I'll take your word for it.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW. "The Hunters" with Robert Mitchum is another potentially great flying pic ruined by a romance. Some great Korean War era flying scenes. Migs are played by swept wing F-84's.

HotelBushranger
04-22-2005, 08:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On Wiley's Gun Camera site there was footage from a fairly recent-looking movie showing an attack by either a Spit or a Hurri on a train with an AA car. The plane is hit and does a belly landing, and they show it outside from the planes 12 (IIRC) and then from inside from a camera mounted in the cockpit facing the pilot. It looks real. Very real. Period. Not in the least F/X'd at all. Was that scene from DBW? Or maybe Piece of Cake? Anyone know? The scene was so good I'd buy whatever movie/show it was in just for that one sequence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that was a train strafing scene. In the Making of, the director said 'There is a saying, if you can do things authentically then do them'. So, he made a real triain to destroy and added one CGI fuel tank to it. It cost more than his previous movie, Kyola. And if you liked that short snippet, you'll love the whole scene http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Also on GunCamWilley's site, the other snippets showing the dogighting planes and the RAF trainging video are both also from DBW. However the dogfight one was made out of several seperate bits, still looks good though.

My favourite part of the movie is where Machaty is singing when he gets his first kill. That made an impression on me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Saunders1953
04-22-2005, 10:44 PM
HB: Thanks, now I'm wetting myself! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Right after Dubbo filled me in I ordered it and Piece of Cake together from Amazon for $62. Not bad. Can't wait.

dazako
04-23-2005, 08:36 AM
DBW is a fine film,much superior to the similar story-lined Pearl Harbour in both action and drama.PH looked like an arcade game.
Piece Of Cake is an excellent series all round despite technical errors of Spits in France etc.It's portrayal of pilot attitude recieved mixed reviews when it 1st aired with some feeling it tarnished the image of 'The Few'.
Both titles use BOB footage blended in with new and in DBW it's digitally enhanced to match modern film quality.The DBW dvd extras are well worth a view.
I just had BOB special edition shipped from the UK (not release in N.America) just for the extras.I've been a fan since I was a lad owning books and memorabilia from it's release.Despite the wooden peformances I think it's the definitive air combat film,tho certainly The Blue Max / Richoften and Brown also have beautiful aerial cinematography.

JG301_nils
04-23-2005, 09:37 AM
As I mentioned earlier, I just saw "Aviator" some days ago, and wonder, does anybody know if Howard Hughes´ film "The Hells Angels" is still for sale somewhere? Should been fun to see it (yes, I know it´s american http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif hehe) but I think he was as much a perfectionist as Oleg, he even re-did the whole film after it was finished, because by then the sound films had entered the theatres. He used (atleast "The Aviator" says so, 26 cameras at the same time, and he even wanted 2 more!) Howard Hughes owned those years the biggest private airforce in the world, consisting of 129 WW1 fighters and some bombers used as camera plattforms. Lucky guy...

HorribleSailor
04-23-2005, 09:49 AM
Frankly I can't believe that no-one has mentioned THE DAMBUSTERS...
do do-do do do-do-do do
do do-do do do-do-do do...

Also 633 SQUADRON, even if it was a travesty for destroyer Mossies in filming for the crash landings.

Hey, if you like the characters behind the fighting, there's even REACH FOR THE SKY, the Douglas Bader biopic.

-HH- Beebop
04-23-2005, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG301_nils:
...does anybody know if Howard Hughes´ film "The Hells Angels" is still for sale somewhere? ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002MHE1O/qid=1114272614/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/104-9972902-4295932?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Flydutch
04-23-2005, 10:51 AM
For great Cinema Featuring Air war See;

"Aces High" Malcom Mcdonnel (Long before his 'Blue Blunder' film) Great Classic Anti-War movie depicting the Grimm reality of the romanticized WWI Airwar (Anti-war Movies are usualy the best Warmovies!)

"The Great Waldo Pepper" Classic movie Featuring Robert Redford, On ex-WWI Pilots with out A job who pefrorm Dangerous Aerobatic shows to earn A living(Barnstormers)
A Ex-German Ace Pilot Character seem to be based on the Kaizers WOI Ace Ernst Udet. (Who did fly Aerobatics in Post WWI, USA.


"Catch 22"
Incredible takeoff scene of a entire B-25 squadron from a Italian Frontline Base!

"BoB"
At the time this Epic film project classified as the 35th biggest Airforce in the World!
The 2nd Cd with Features is very intresting to both RAF & Luftwaffe bufs.


"Dambusters" B&W Classic, tells the story of the specialized Lancaster Raids on the Ruhr Dams in A 'Stiffupperlip' style.

"Memphis Belle" Both the Bigbox Movie from the 90's & the WWII Colour documantary Are worth viewing.
Not for Luftwaffe fans but for the Bomber boys amongst us!

"Tuskegee Airman" Untill The George lucas Produced Movie comes about this is the only film that i know, on the Afro-American Fighter pilots who never lost A Bomber they Escorted!
This film is not A Classic I'm Afraid, But It does feature the Sympathetic Laurence Fishburn.

"The Bridges At Toko-Ri" Classic Colour movie on 'Panther' Bridge Strike during the Korean war (Navy Attack Jets)

"Flight of the Intruder" With Willem Dafoe timeless film on Navy Attack Aircraft during the Vietnam War.


And for the Curtis P-40 fans amongst us you should see what Jude law Can do with his Fliyng tiger Aircraft in "SkyCaptain And the world of tommorow" (LoL)

darkhorizon11
04-23-2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
Hmm, now that I think of it, there are very few movies about WW2 air combat.

Sure there are the likes of Memphis Belle or Tuskeegee Airmen, but somehow they feel a bit dry, especially to enthusiasts. Dark Blue World is quite accurate regarding air combat, but what is needed is Saving Private Ryan of airwar movies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I cannot wait until someone makes a movie about Hartmann, Rudel, Galland or Sakai. And with today's CGI it would be free of Buchons, BoB Spitfire IXs and of course - it could have flying Fw 190s ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree there isn't much, at least not recently. I can only imagine what it would be like. The problem though is I'm afraid on what Hollywood will do to it. Ben Affleck as Erich Hartmann? A German pilot with a morality problem and internal crisis blah blah blah... I'd rather they not destroy this topic like they did Pearl Harbor. I'm already angry that they're going to portay Tom Cruise as Billy Fiske and have him win the battle of Britain single-handedly but sacrafice his life at the very end making us all cry. Don't get me wrong I'm American and what Billy did is amazing but Hollywood will manage to butcher the story and piss of the world again, be sure of that.

Maybe if Wolfgang Peterson it would be decent though, he sure did great with Das Boot and the countless other war/action movies he's made.

LStarosta
04-23-2005, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slickun:
I was nearly brought to tears.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, admit it: You cried! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JG7_Rall
04-23-2005, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slickun:
I was nearly brought to tears.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, admit it: You cried! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LMFAO! *slaps knee*

This starosta guy cracks me up!!

FI.Snaphoo
04-23-2005, 05:00 PM
I have seen this movie as well, and have to say I enjoyed the story, the acting and the visual representation of the movie. It was, unlike some movies, a complete film. Where all of the elements worked well, very well, together. The actors were well chosen, the film was well edited. Even the love story wasn't out of place, IMO. As that's what happened, from what my grandfather has told me of his "off-duty" time during his time on a B-17.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my impressions of the movie as well. Have fun all.

boxmike
04-23-2005, 05:03 PM
Someone said *Hell's Angels', I'll add 'The Wings', thx for DVD URL anyways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
'The Bridges at Toko-Ri' would still be a shock for Hollywood -style people.
Now, what was the name of that dog of Guy Gibson's in the 'Dam Busters'? Nuff said 'n' stupid, I have that one in archive and a very good account of the mission IMHO.
One thing in the whole world that makes me cry is Sir Laurence Olivier stepping on the balcony of Fighter Command and watching the clear skies over Britain. Now that's a goood movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

HotelBushranger
04-23-2005, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also 633 SQUADRON, even if it was a travesty for destroyer Mossies in filming for the crash landings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no way! 633 Squadronwas another wooden, bland acting film. I hated it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Mosquito Squadron wasn't too good either, the main character wouldn't know feelings if it jumped up and gave him a haircut! (which he could have done with)


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have seen this movie as well, and have to say I enjoyed the story, the acting and the visual representation of the movie. It was, unlike some movies, a complete film. Where all of the elements worked well, very well, together. The actors were well chosen, the film was well edited. Even the love story wasn't out of place, IMO. As that's what happened, from what my grandfather has told me of his "off-duty" time during his time on a B-17.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my impressions of the movie as well. Have fun all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I agree with you 100%, if it's DBW you're talking about lol. I think the way the friendship is represented, one an older and mature man, the other young, niave and headstrong works perfectly; the 2 characters work so well. It's a brilliant film.

Bearcat99
04-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Great film.... I see nothing odd about the love story twist.. what you think love and war dont mix? On the contrary... war brings out ALL the passions in people. Nothing like knowing you may not come back to your bed everytime you get out of it.... Of course we know that everyday.. but in wartime the odfds are much higher that it isnt just a slight chance.

Feathered_IV
04-24-2005, 02:40 AM
Don't forget Aussies. It's on telly in exactly 1hr 50 minutes. SBS with no ads - Woohoo!

NorrisMcWhirter
04-24-2005, 04:18 AM
I watched DBW with 'er indoors and we thought it was alright. Some of the lines were very corny but this was offset by the excellent flying sequences and the sense of realism through the attrition.

Charles Dance seemed to be in Michael Caine BoB mode as he was as cool as a cucumber and had the best line.."..this is England, keep off the grass...' (or similar).

Talking of BoB, I noticed there is a sample from it on Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' - the bit where the two rookie pilots are taken up and one of them gets bagged after being told to 'keep it tight'; I've no doubt that I'm not the first person to notice this.

Cheers,
Norris

HotelBushranger
04-24-2005, 05:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Don't forget Aussies. It's on telly in exactly 1hr 50 minutes. SBS with no ads - Woohoo! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woohoo! Gotta tape it though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Part 3 of the ANZACS Miniseries is on tonight, and I'm not missing that! Then gotta get up early for the ANZAC Day march! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

F0_Dark_P
04-24-2005, 07:13 AM
I saw Dark blue World yesterday http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, man! what a good movie, it resembles BoB but it is newer and better made, and it is a more sad storym, Franta he really lost it all, his best friend and his women, poor chap http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

but now i want a movie about the germans, how they fought and died, i like to se 109 pilots and 109's fighting and prevailing over spits http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PraetorHonoris
04-24-2005, 07:25 AM
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005NOWN.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

very, very old, but quite good for it's age.

F0_Dark_P
04-24-2005, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005NOWN.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

very, very old, but quite good for it's age. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ah!, that movie is a given buy for me thanx PraetorHonoris http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

boxduty
04-24-2005, 04:32 PM
I liked the beginning of DBW, but didn't find the rest too engaging...

If anybody wants my DVD (Region 2) I'll bung it on to them for free...

krmichal
04-24-2005, 06:51 PM
Maybe I am completely wrong, but Messerschmitts in Dark Blue World seem to look strange for me. Or is it everything ok with them and it's only my imagination? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kameron1974
04-25-2005, 12:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slickun:
Everyone that has posted above is dead on. What a suberb movie.

BTW, I didn't know the name of the Girl in the movie, but she is a LOOKER now. I wish she DID shuck em.

What stood out to me is the way these heroes, in every sense of the word, were treated by their homeland after the war. What a disgusting, pathetic turn of events. I was nearly brought to tears.

There is a movie out there called "Fighter Command" I think. It's fun to watch. The American planes are P-47's, the German planes are P-51's. Cool. There is a scene where the P-47's hide under a B-17 for protection. Amazingly fun! Rip snortin air action. Just take it with a grain of salt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The chick wasn't that hot I thought. But it was the Soviet regime that treated these pilots like that and not there homeland. We the rest of the Allies probably also had a hand in selling them out like we did Poland.
Everyone HAS to see Tai Guk Gi(Brotherhood of War). Its a recent Korean war movie with some incredible battle scenes. Swarms of commies, brutal violence and an fantastic airstrike by Navy Corsairs at the end. DO NOT SEE THE DUBBED IN ENGLSH VERSION WHATEVER YOU DO!!!!!
Erich Hartmann needs a movie. I'll play him.
Get Wolfgang on the phone now! Wheres my f%^kin Latte!

HotelBushranger
04-25-2005, 12:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I saw Dark blue World yesterday Smile, man! what a good movie, it resembles BoB but it is newer and better made, and it is a more sad storym, Franta he really lost it all, his best friend and his women, poor chap Frown

but now i want a movie about the germans, how they fought and died, i like to se 109 pilots and 109's fighting and prevailing over spits <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Way to spoil it! Good one mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mood of the topic. posted Sun April 24 2005 17:51
Maybe I am completely wrong, but Messerschmitts in Dark Blue World seem to look strange for me. Or is it everything ok with them and it's only my imagination? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nooo, look like ordinary Bf109E's to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BTW Did any of you Aussies watch the ANZACs miniseries? Bloody good, bloody emotional

Tooz_69GIAP
04-25-2005, 02:33 AM
Yeah, Hell's Angels is a pretty good film considering it was released in 1924 or something.

Some of the aerial footage is way cool!!

-HH-Dubbo
04-25-2005, 02:34 AM
The 109s look weird because they ain't 109s. They are HA1112 Buchons built in Spain, the same as the ones in BoB. Basically a 109 though with a different powerplant. Hispano was building 109s under licence in WW2 but supply of the DB engines dried up so they put Hispano Suizas in them originally and later, Merlins. The weird look comes from the different cowl around the upright V engines instead of the inverted V the real 109s had. Look......

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/buchski.jpg

compared to

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/me109icewater.jpg

Close but no cigar. My question (unanswered yet) is that during the movie there is a shot from the Germans pilot's POV looking through his gunsight which is offset to the left. I was wondering whether any left-eye dominant German pilots ever did this(if they didn't they would have been terrible shots)or whether it was just a mistake in the movie?

krmichal
04-25-2005, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The weird look comes from the different cowl around the upright V engines instead of the inverted V the real 109s had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I didn't know that such version fought in BoB. Thank you for your answer, now it's all clear to me.

LeadSpitter_
04-25-2005, 08:11 AM
Karel?

-HH-Dubbo
04-25-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krmichal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The weird look comes from the different cowl around the upright V engines instead of the inverted V the real 109s had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I didn't know that such version fought in BoB. Thank you for your answer, now it's all clear to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The movie Battle of Britian, not the battle. Just to be clear. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

krmichal
04-27-2005, 03:18 AM
The movie Battle of Britian, not the battle. Just to be clear. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, so the movie is wrong! I just want to be sure - there was no Merlin-engine version of Bf-109 fighting in the Battle of Britain, right? Only those with DB engine?

HotelBushranger
04-27-2005, 03:56 AM
The spanish ones were just used in the Dark Blue World movie, not the REAL Battle of Britian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Don't get confused mate

Heartland
04-27-2005, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by krmichal:
Oh, so the movie is wrong!

Exactly!

JG53Frankyboy
04-27-2005, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by Flydutch:
...........And for the Curtis P-40 fans amongst us you should see what Jude law Can do with his Fliyng tiger Aircraft in "SkyCaptain And the world of tommorow" (LoL)

Mr.Belushi's P-40 in Steven Spilbergs "1941" is a must http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

krmichal
04-27-2005, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Heartland:
Exactly!

OK, now it IS clear. Thanks!

BTW. I can't understand why there are such stupid mistakes in movies. When you have milions of $$ (like for "Pearl Harbor") why can't you find another thousand for specialist, who will tell you "this is wrong".

Slickun
04-27-2005, 10:34 AM
"Thirty Seconds over Tokyo" is a movie produced during the war, IIRC. The story is about a pilot who flew on the Doolittle raid, bombed Tokyo, crashed off the coast of China, and was smuggled through Japanese lines to allied lines. The guys name was Ted Lawson.

He penned the book, with a ghost writer, soon after he returned from his ordeal (he lost a leg).

It was made into a rather sentimental movie. BUT, the B-25 shots are done with real B-25's. Some awesome footage. The "Ruptured Duck's" low level run in, and bomb run, are absolutely riveting.

I recommend it highly.

-HH-Dubbo
04-27-2005, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by krmichal:
OK, now it IS clear. Thanks!

BTW. I can't understand why there are such stupid mistakes in movies. When you have milions of $$ (like for "Pearl Harbor") why can't you find another thousand for specialist, who will tell you "this is wrong".

Well it's not so much a stupid mistake. The movie, Battle of Britian, used squadrons of these Buchons (as well as Spanish-built He 111- also with Merlin engines- called CASA 2111s)because they were readily avialable.

DBW (whose budget was fairly small) borrowed a lot of footage from the movie BoB, and edited it to suit their purposes. The Buchons were already there so they had to work with them. I'm sure they would have been aware.

Slickun you recall correctly. Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo was filmed in 1944. I must see if I can dig that one up...