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ClnlSandersLite
06-30-2005, 07:51 AM
I was looking at Google Earth, totally awesome btw, and I figured I'd take a look at Lenningrad to see how well the ingame map compares. My overall impression is that things seem scaled down in the game.

Here are the coords for anyone interested.

Runway on central Island west of lenningrad in the game:
60?00'50" N 29?42'00" E

I think I'll be looking around for other such places in the near future.

Heres a link for anyone who didn't know about it.
http://earth.google.com/

DxyFlyr
06-30-2005, 08:07 AM
Oh, this is great. I tried to download Google Earth yesterday and it said the beta was closed.

Got it now. Thanks for the heads up.

I don't know why this stuff is so amazing to me. But it is. I bet it won't be too long before these images and maps are updated hourly (or at least with more frequency and greater resolution). You'll get real time traffic conditions, alternate route suggestions... all in 3d.

ClnlSandersLite
06-30-2005, 08:17 AM
Thinking about it, does anyone know anything about those bridges linking the island to the mainland? Are they a fairly recent addition or were they actually there in ww2?

DxyFlyr
06-30-2005, 09:23 AM
I've got no idea if those bridges were there, but kind of doubt it. I'm not sure what you mean about finding the maps in-game scaled down. They look surprisingly accurate to me (for a sim).

Here is another Gulf of Finland Island base that has been popular in the coops at HL...

60?0'12.69"N, 27?50'43.15"E

Resolution is a little low, but you can make out one of the strips.

Think I'll check out the Crimea now. I'm pretty sure if I ever go there, I won't need a map. I've been virtually flying over Crimea for several years now. Flanker featured it, Lomac featured it and of course IL-2 does too. I wonder what the attraction is for these sim developers?

ClnlSandersLite
06-30-2005, 09:32 AM
Some more:

Runway NW of Stalingrad, just south of gumrak is at:
48?47'00" N 44?20'35" E

Appears that it's now a decent concrete strip. The concrete strip (in game) just south of the one mentioned appears not to exist anymore.

Center of the Balaton Lake:
46?50'00" N 17?40'35" E

Sevastopol' (Crimea):
44?35'50" N 33?31'50" E

Krasnodar (Kuban):
45?00'50" N 38?58'50" E



I'm not sure what you mean about finding the maps in-game scaled down. They look surprisingly accurate to me (for a sim).

Looking at them, I think it's a mixed bag. For example, the waterways east of stalingrad are WAY too wide. They are pretty decent overall though.

Well, enough for now. I need some sleep.

Dunkelgrun
06-30-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:


Looking at them, I think it's a mixed bag. For example, the waterways east of stalingrad are WAY too wide. They are pretty decent overall though.



That's because the IL-2 Stalingrad map was made from postwar mapping, and includes many reservoirs on the Volga and elsewhere that didn't exist during WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.

Google Earth download suspended again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. Hopefully I'll be able to look at some of this stuff soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers!

DxyFlyr
06-30-2005, 11:20 AM
The most complaints I've heard about the in-game maps is the elevation information. Mountainous areas seem flatter than in reality. It's most obvious on some of the Pacific maps. I always assumed this had something to do with making gameplay efficient, FPS, etc.

Also, ground textures seem to do strange things on less than horizontal surfaces in a computer 3d environment.

I've been checking out Google Earth's Yalta.

44?29'59.89"N, 34?10'11.97"E

It's mountains look reminiscent of IL2's. Just from memory, it looks pretty close. But who knows how accurate Google's elevation data is either?

Jasko76
06-30-2005, 01:20 PM
Still can't download it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

I've heard it's very detailed on North American continent, but not the rest of the world. Is that true?

DxyFlyr
06-30-2005, 01:58 PM
As far as I can tell, they are using the same satellite images that other internet mapping services are using (ie terra server) but the new thing is that you can tilt the view and see it in 3d. Land forms are modelled like a sim.

Input two locations on the earth and it will zoom you in 3d from one location to the other like flying in a sim at warp speed. Most areas that I've viewed, so far, remind me of flying in FS2004 with the satellite ground textures. Some cities (mostly in USA) have buildings that are represented in 3D. Boston looks pretty cool.

Detailed areas are few and far between even in N. America, but pretty cool when you run across one. Oddly, my humble home of Jackson, Mississippi has a relatively new map (2003, I think) at a higher resolution. I can see my wife's car poking out of the garage and her father's car parked on the street. Can't read the tags though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The areas I've looked at around Crimea and St. Petersburg are more detailed than I thought they would be. They look good from about 25,000ft eye height. Zoom in closer and they lose resolution. The better maps look great to about 1,000ft

I was just looking at London. It has a fairly high res map. It starts to lose it below 1,000ft. No 3d though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif There are a ton of information keys there, however.


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Waldo.Pepper
06-30-2005, 03:27 PM
The first thing I did was find my house.

http://www3.telus.net/public/a5a03316/vickmaster/hsh.jpg

thats's my Yellow 68 Mustang on the right and my old old 76 GMC Camper special in the from driveway.

Now I know my place in the world.

LStarosta
06-30-2005, 03:39 PM
Anyone care to share the Google Earth download? DLing is suspended and all...

Waldo.Pepper
06-30-2005, 04:37 PM
Anyone care to share the Google Earth download? DLing is suspended and all...


Check you PM then.

DxyFlyr
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
Dxy's house http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/DxyFlyr/Home1.jpg



Yalta...


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/DxyFlyr/Yalta2.jpg



Murmansk

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/DxyFlyr/Murmansk.jpg

FA_Razor
06-30-2005, 06:28 PM
Google Earth is really cool...but realize it's limitations. I actually received a Master's Degree in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and Remote Sensing (RS) and teach a high-school course on the subject, so I've seen lots of this stuff around.

It is NOT a real-time satelite viewer. It is simply a really slick GUI for a database containing all the PUBLICLY AVAILABLE sattelite imagery. This stuff is NOT cheap, and the higher the resolution (as a rule) the more expensive it will be. Also, Google Earth is not paying for the imagery, they are just a portal between the viewer (you) and the online imagery. Therefore, the "wealthier" (see New York City), more "famous" (see Mt. St. Helen's, Washington State, US) sites will be more detailed and updated more frequently. I found my house--but the car in the drive was TWO cars ago! (meaning the photo was from 1999 or earlier). Apparently nothing "important" happens in my municipality.

LStarosta
06-30-2005, 07:05 PM
How do they get that 3d to work? I'd laugh if they got a satellite to take a picture on a tangent in relation to the earth's curvature... from all directions...

EmbarkChief
06-30-2005, 07:20 PM
I've been using this software for about 3 years now. Originally it was called Keyhole Earth Viewer, many new features have been added recently, most notably the ability to map a route. The measuring ability comes in handy from time to time as well as the buisness locations.

ClnlSandersLite
06-30-2005, 09:07 PM
How do they get that 3d to work? I'd laugh if they got a satellite to take a picture on a tangent in relation to the earth's curvature... from all directions...
Satalite altitude mapping is nothing new. From there, all they needed to do is set up a 3d mesh of the earths surface and apply the photos to it like a texture.


The first thing I did was find my house.
Me too. Then, I looked up my favorite places to go.


Therefore, the "wealthier" (see New York City), more "famous" (see Mt. St. Helen's, Washington State, US) sites will be more detailed and updated more frequently.
Generally, yes that's true. There's a little more to it though. My small town (60-70k people) about an hour north of Kansas City is rendered in high detail. Kansas city on the other hand had it's pictures taken during sunset/dawn and looks kinda crappy. Why this is I don't know.

Well, since some of us are doing it, I'll show my house too.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/ColonelSandersLite/MyHouse.bmp
See below for details.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/ColonelSandersLite/MyHouse2.bmp
I live in an old part of town. My house is a 3 story (4 in back plus the attic) 110 year old victorian.
Blue: My house, the round part is a tower.
Black: the road in front of house.
Grey: the alley behind house.
red: from north to south, neighbors house, their garage (an old stable actually), the other neighbors house.
Green: Trees. Why'd I put the trees on? Because they're BIG. My house including the attic is 4 stories tall in the front and 5 in the back. Notice that the trees go OVER part of the house?

SeaNorris
07-01-2005, 12:26 PM
Anyone care to send me this?

seanorris@gmail.com

Or

davidmnuk@yahoo.co.uk

Jasko76
07-01-2005, 12:44 PM
I'd like to have it as well! Can anyone put it up for download, please?

ClnlSandersLite
07-01-2005, 08:42 PM
I'd like to have it as well! Can anyone put it up for download, please?

Umm, try clicking on download? Works for me every time, why it's not working for some is totally unknown to me.

http://desktop.google.com/download/earth/index.html

Jasko76
07-02-2005, 03:49 AM
Every time I try to download it, I'm greeted with the same message: "Google Earth downloads temporarily delayed

Thanks for your interest in Google Earth, but we're sorry we can't offer you a download right now."

Could it have something to do with the location?

SeaNorris
07-02-2005, 03:52 AM
Google Earth downloads temporarily delayed

Thanks for your interest in Google Earth, but we're sorry we can't offer you a download right now. As you know, Google Earth is in beta, and we're still building out our ability to take on new users. We're making good progress, and expect to be able to accept new downloads shortly, so we recommend you check back daily at earth.google.com. We hope to be able to welcome you and other new planet surfers soon.

We appreciate your patience,

The Google Earth Team



But I really wants it

ClnlSandersLite
07-02-2005, 04:36 AM
Well, .rared, it's 9.8 mbs, I can send it using hotmail. Anyone that can handle that large of an attachment, pm me and I'll send it.

SeaNorris
07-02-2005, 04:37 AM
Send here:

seanorris@gmail.com

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Jasko76
07-02-2005, 04:56 AM
Me too!

jasko76@gmail.com


Spammers will be tortured! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ClnlSandersLite
07-02-2005, 08:36 AM
Sent, let me know if you don't get it. Hotmail has been screwy the past few days. Some kind of server maintenance or something. Being such a large file, it may take some time though.


Edit: Hmm, delivery failure. I'll try again. Looks Like I may have to break it in 2.

ClnlSandersLite
07-02-2005, 08:56 AM
****ing hotmail. Apparently hotmail doesn't like the way winrar splits archives and thinks that part 2 is bad. Refuses to send. If you guys have a messenger service like icq that will let you transfer files we can do it that way I guess. I've got a yahoo account for Yahoo instant messenger, as well as msn messenger. I could easilly grab an icq, aim, etc account as well.

Tater-SW-
07-02-2005, 09:00 AM
Wow, pretty cool. The elevation data is awesome. I did the same thing, found my house, then tilted it since I live on the side of a decent sized mountain...

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Misc_pictures/house.jpg

Here it is tilted...

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Misc_pictures/3d%20of%20house.jpg

Very neat, indeed.

tater

SeaNorris
07-02-2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
****ing hotmail. Apparently hotmail doesn't like the way winrar splits archives and thinks that part 2 is bad. Refuses to send. If you guys have a messenger service like icq that will let you transfer files we can do it that way I guess. I've got a yahoo account for Yahoo instant messenger, as well as msn messenger. I could easilly grab an icq, aim, etc account as well.

Add my MSN: davidmnuk@yahoo.co.uk

Friendly_flyer
07-02-2005, 09:07 AM
I see the IL2 map of Yalta is fairly close to the real landscape. It seems the map-making program has trouble making ravines though, like the one excavated by a small river coming into Yalta from the North.

VFS-214_Hawk
07-02-2005, 09:23 AM
You guys actually paying $400 a tear for that thing?

Tater-SW-
07-02-2005, 09:28 AM
Google Earth is free. Least what I have.

tater

JaguarMEX
07-02-2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by SeaNorris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
****ing hotmail. Apparently hotmail doesn't like the way winrar splits archives and thinks that part 2 is bad. Refuses to send. If you guys have a messenger service like icq that will let you transfer files we can do it that way I guess. I've got a yahoo account for Yahoo instant messenger, as well as msn messenger. I could easilly grab an icq, aim, etc account as well.

Add my MSN: davidmnuk@yahoo.co.uk </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my MSN is: mexicanboy357@hotmail.com http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fliegeroffizier
07-02-2005, 03:05 PM
Could someone please upload it to "yousendit.com"; then copy the link to it and post the link here? Thanks.

ClnlSandersLite
07-03-2005, 12:37 AM
More Places. Many of the Small pacific islands are VERY low res, not to mention hard to find in some cases.

Murmansk
68?58'00"N,33?05'00"E

Johor Bahru (Singapore)
1?28'50"N,103?44'50"E

Guam (Marinas)
13?22'30"N,144?44'50"E

Milne Bay (new guinea)
10?22'00"S,150?30'50"E

Nagasaki (kyushu)
32?44'50"N,129?52'50"E

Chichi Jima
27?04'00"N,142?12'26"E

Midway Islands
28?14'25"N,177?51'11"W

Tarawa
1?23'48"N,173?1'58"E
Notice the other Islands are missing...

Pearl Harbor
21?21'10"N,157?58'10"W

Coral Sea
Just open ocean. Can really represent any large open patch of water you want.

Iwo Jima
24?43'50"N,141?21'50"E

Okinawa
26?20'25"N,127?47'25"E

Peleliu (Pelau)
7?01'40"N,134?15'44"E

Jasko76
07-03-2005, 02:46 AM
So, can anyone arrange so we all can get it? Thanks!

hobnail
07-03-2005, 03:33 AM
I got this the other day and did the usual (my house, Area51 etc) but one of the better sights is Krakatoa (or the remains thereof)

lat=-6.10202584355, lon=105.423355287

SeaNorris
07-03-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Jasko76:
So, can anyone arrange so we all can get it? Thanks!
You have MSN?

WTE_Ibis
07-03-2005, 03:55 AM
If you upload it with the free program "you send it" it will be available for 7 days.Just post the address hear,simple.
Cheers,Ibis.

Jasko76
07-03-2005, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by SeaNorris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jasko76:
So, can anyone arrange so we all can get it? Thanks!
You have MSN? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I don't have MSN. But I have gmail, and so do you, if I'm not mistaking? I've been sending some huge files with it so this one should work as well.

SeaNorris
07-03-2005, 03:56 AM
OK, I'll send through in a sec

Jasko76
07-03-2005, 03:56 AM
Thank you!

S!

SeaNorris
07-03-2005, 04:05 AM
Get it from here:
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=03XRFMDXBFS7X23TPBWD8PWSPA

Jasko76
07-03-2005, 04:12 AM
Got it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ApolloFS
07-03-2005, 10:08 AM
Chaps, don't even try to compare actual maps or sat photos to IL-2s terrain engine. You'll be seriously dissapointed.

blairgowrie
07-04-2005, 04:30 AM
Website is back up again.