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SORENSOE
02-14-2010, 01:35 PM
Not sure if anyone posted anything about this yet.

From Prima's Walkthrough/Strategy Guide.
"Our Walkthrough sections will guide you through every mission, offering both stealth and guns-blazing tactics for many situations."


I'm hoping and trusting prima on this. As they have played the game.
My only concern is that the A.I. may be "too" easy to stealth past as they are not "made" for stealthy situations but for the Mark and Execute maneuver. But we will soon see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SplinterCell472
02-14-2010, 03:09 PM
You have the option to go through the whole game stealthy. Ubi said this long ago. Just an fyi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 03:18 PM
How can Prima have played the game which by an Ubi rep's own admission at X10 last weekend was not yet GOLD (i.e. not done yet)? Where did you get that quote, from the actual book, or just from the website???

Also, Ubi saying you can play this game with "stealth" means absolutely nothing anymore. Their new definition of stealth means sneaking quietly up to a group of enemies to execute them all.

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 03:48 PM
Also, Ubi saying you can play this game with "stealth" means absolutely nothing anymore. Their new definition of stealth means sneaking quietly up to a group of enemies to execute them all.
stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 03:48 PM
Unfortunatly the inocompetent devs working on this game don't know what Stealth is. There is no hope for Stealth.

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Ubi saying you can play this game with "stealth" means absolutely nothing anymore. Their new definition of stealth means sneaking quietly up to a group of enemies to execute them all.
stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clever...using definitions I see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Are you trying to suggest that this game won't allow you to sneak past everyone...like basically every other Splinter Cell did? There's a REASON that the devs have removed the "stealth mission rating" that use to come at the end of each level...and it ain't because it'd "slow down" the game.

JAHman28
02-14-2010, 04:00 PM
It's a completely different game.
please don't compare, kay?!

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone.

How can you be covert when people are shooting at you? How can you be covert when people are yelling your name?

You are right, Stealth isn't just sneaking past people, it also means being unknown and unheard. That isn't possible.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by JAHman28:
It's a completely different game.
please don't compare, kay?!

No, we have to compare this game to other Splinter Cell games. It has the Splinter Cell title that means it has certain requirements to meet.

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone.

How can you be covert when people are shooting at you? How can you be covert when people are yelling your name?

You are right, Stealth isn't just sneaking past people, it also means being unknown and unheard. That isn't possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not saying you're covert when you go in guns blazing with everyone shooting you. I'm saying you're covert when you pick off lone hostiles with a suppressed shot and don't alert anyone else.

Originally posted by sammyboy1981:Clever...using definitions I see. Roll Eyes

Are you trying to suggest that this game won't allow you to sneak past everyone...like basically every other Splinter Cell did? There's a REASON that the devs have removed the "stealth mission rating" that use to come at the end of each level...and it ain't because it'd "slow down" the game.
No, I'm saying you can shoot people while being stealthy. Also, the devs say you can go through levels with complete stealth except when situations permit (see devs Q&A).
E: Somehow messed up quote. Bare with me as I fix it.

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by JAHman28:
It's a completely different game.
please don't compare, kay?!

And BOOM goes the dynamite...the argument against Conviction made perfectly by one of its supporters! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

JAHman28
02-14-2010, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
It's a completely different game.
please don't compare, kay?!

No, we have to compare this game to other Splinter Cell games. It has the Splinter Cell title that means it has certain requirements to meet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, fine.
Conviction has:
far superior graphics
far better shooting mechanics
cover system
the ability to play through action-y (IF you choose to)

Etc,Etc.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not saying you're covert when you go in guns blazing with everyone shooting you. I'm saying you're covert when you pick off lone hostiles with a suppressed shot and don't alert anyone else.

If guns are blazing Stealth goes out the window. The second someone fires their gun at you than you are no longer stealthy no matter how many more times you "Hide" fromm the enemy. Unless you go through a whole mission without the enemy knowing you are there you aren't stealthy.

Also, it doesn't matter what the Devs say. They don't know what Stealth is, if they did we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Originally posted by JAHman28:
OK, fine.
Conviction has:
far superior graphics
far better shooting mechanics
cover system
the ability to play through action-y (IF you choose to)

Etc,Etc.

None of those things mean Stealth and Stealth is what previous games were about.

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not saying you're covert when you go in guns blazing with everyone shooting you. I'm saying you're covert when you pick off lone hostiles with a suppressed shot and don't alert anyone else.

If guns are blazing Stealth goes out the window. The second someone fires their gun at you than you are no longer stealthy no matter how many more times you "Hide" fromm the enemy. Unless you go through a whole mission without the enemy knowing you are there you aren't stealthy.

Also, it doesn't matter what the Devs say. They don't know what Stealth is, if they did we wouldn't be having this conversation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

What I'm saying is that you have to go through the entire level without being seen and without alerting others to be Stealthy. You can't do it for an entire level.

Stealthgamer001
02-14-2010, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

What I'm saying is that you have to go through the entire level without being seen and without alerting others to be Stealthy. You can't do it for an entire level. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't know that.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:You don't know that.

Yes, I do. Just listening to what the devs have said about previous Splinter Cell games and what they have said about Conviction I can easily come to that conclusion. Once people play the game they'll come to that conclusion as well, if they care anything about Stealth.

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

What I'm saying is that you have to go through the entire level without being seen and without alerting others to be Stealthy. You can't do it for an entire level. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow...somebody gets really angry over internet posts! Remember your technique...3...2...1...goosfraba!

Like Frankie said, stealth can be measured as the ability to go "Zero footprint" on a area. No attacks or kills (save the target, if required), no broken lights or shattered doors, and certainy noone screaming out your name...



<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">(in bed)</span>

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

What I'm saying is that you have to go through the entire level without being seen and without alerting others to be Stealthy. You can't do it for an entire level. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow...somebody gets really angry over internet posts! Remember your technique...3...2...1...goosfraba!

Like Frankie said, stealth can be measured as the ability to go "Zero footprint" on a area. No attacks or kills (save the target, if required), no broken lights or shattered doors, and certainy noone screaming out your name...



<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">(in bed)</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I only got angry because I hate people who manipulate my words/text.

Also, shooting out lights isn't a problem. I shot out one or two lights in the Bank mission in SC:CT and still got 100%.

Rea1SamF1sher
02-14-2010, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I'm not ****ing saying you're stealthy when you get shot at! *******it, I'm saying you're stealthy when NO ONE NOTICES YOU and you kill people WIHOUT ALERTING OTHERS. ****.

What I'm saying is that you have to go through the entire level without being seen and without alerting others to be Stealthy. You can't do it for an entire level. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow...somebody gets really angry over internet posts! Remember your technique...3...2...1...goosfraba!

Like Frankie said, stealth can be measured as the ability to go "Zero footprint" on a area. No attacks or kills (save the target, if required), no broken lights or shattered doors, and certainy noone screaming out your name...



<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">(in bed)</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was the first level where they yelled his name and know he would come from Victor Coste or Grim.


Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
Also, shooting out lights isn't a problem. I shot out one or two lights in the Bank mission in SC:CT and still got 100%.
In SCDA you would get a 98% Rating because you shot two times! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stealthgamer001
02-14-2010, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:You don't know that.

Yes, I do. Just listening to what the devs have said about previous Splinter Cell games and what they have said about Conviction I can easily come to that conclusion. Once people play the game they'll come to that conclusion as well, if they care anything about Stealth.

Also, it doesn't matter what the Devs say. They don't know what Stealth is, if they did we wouldn't be having this conversation.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
I only got angry because I hate people who manipulate my words/text.

Also, shooting out lights isn't a problem. I shot out one or two lights in the Bank mission in SC:CT and still got 100%.

Did you stealth kill anyone? Execute anyone? Raise an alarm? Get caught on camera? Did you do anything that you described above that lies outside the envelope of:
"Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone."

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:I only got angry because I hate people who manipulate my words/text.

Also, shooting out lights isn't a problem. I shot out one or two lights in the Bank mission in SC:CT and still got 100%.

That is something in Chaos Theory that wasnn't caught and never fixed in the game. It should have alerted guards, it would alert me if a light is broken.

SplinterCell472
02-14-2010, 04:39 PM
Okay, wether you like it or not, Conviction is a stealth action game meaning that BOTH stealth and action are in it. There's a fact for you.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:You don't know that.

Yes, I do. Just listening to what the devs have said about previous Splinter Cell games and what they have said about Conviction I can easily come to that conclusion. Once people play the game they'll come to that conclusion as well, if they care anything about Stealth.

Also, it doesn't matter what the Devs say. They don't know what Stealth is, if they did we wouldn't be having this conversation.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't matter what the devs say about Stealth because everything else they say contradicts it. That is what I meant.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Okay, wether you like it or not, Conviction is a stealth action game meaning that BOTH stealth and action are in it. There's a fact for you.

No, Conviction is an ACTION game with Stealth tacked on. That is my opinion which is different than your opinion.

There is no fact until we play the game. However, we can make conclusions which I have done.

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
I only got angry because I hate people who manipulate my words/text.

Also, shooting out lights isn't a problem. I shot out one or two lights in the Bank mission in SC:CT and still got 100%.

Did you stealth kill anyone? Execute anyone? Raise an alarm? Get caught on camera? Did you do anything that you described above that lies outside the envelope of:
"Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I knocked one or two people out. I also could've killed people and still be stealthy, albeit without a 100% rating.

SplinterCell472
02-14-2010, 04:48 PM
And I'll say it one last time, Conviction is a stealth action game. That's a fact not an opinion. Not trying to argue, I know the game isn't out, but the game isn't going to change. What's in the latest vids is what we're going to get. Period.

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
02-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Ubi saying you can play this game with "stealth" means absolutely nothing anymore. Their new definition of stealth means sneaking quietly up to a group of enemies to execute them all.
stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but you're looking at it on a small scale.

What happens when Sam Fisher goes to the factory, people know he's gone there and he leaves. Later people arrive to find that there's a guy pinned to a stump by his hand, there's an EMP warhead destroyed on the ground, 20-30 bodies lying around the place and they have shell casings from one specific gun right the way throughout the level?

Is that stealthy? or is that a big collateral mess?

Now imagine that Sam Fisher arrived, accomplished his mission and left without touching a soul, with even the people at the factory while he was there weren't aware of his presence.

THAT is stealth. Shooting someone in the back when they're not looking is called ambushing.

I don't want an ambushing game.

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
And I'll say it one last time, Conviction is a stealth action game. That's a fact not an opinion. Not trying to argue, I know the game isn't out, but the game isn't going to change. What's in the latest vids is what we're going to get. Period.

It is an opinion, Period. It is not a fact until we play it and see for ourselves. What the devs say about stealth means nothing when these same devs can be "Frustrated" with Stealth.

I've learned along time ago not to bindly believe what the devs say, because they will tell you what they want you to hear... not always the truth.

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Ubi saying you can play this game with "stealth" means absolutely nothing anymore. Their new definition of stealth means sneaking quietly up to a group of enemies to execute them all.
stealth
n.
2. The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert.

covert
adj.
1. secret or hidden; not openly practiced or engaged in or shown or avowed;

When you kill someone with a suppressed handgun and they don't notice you, you are not openly shown and still secret. That's stealthy. I mean, in other games, you can stealthily kill people by stabbing them or shooting them in the head without alerting anyone else. Stealth isn't just sneaking past everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but you're looking at it on a small scale.

What happens when Sam Fisher goes to the factory, people know he's gone there and he leaves. Later people arrive to find that there's 20-30 bodies lying around the place.

Is that stealthy? or is that a big collateral mess?

Now imagine that Sam Fisher arrived, accomplished his mission and left without touching a soul and even the people at the factory while he was there didn't even know he was there.

THAT is stealth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Even if you kill everyone there, it's not like they can find you, making you covert, which is stealthy.

Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
And I'll say it one last time, Conviction is a stealth action game. That's a fact not an opinion. Not trying to argue, I know the game isn't out, but the game isn't going to change. What's in the latest vids is what we're going to get. Period.
As a stealth-action game, we still have a choice: stealth, action, or a combination of both.

DeafAtheist
02-14-2010, 04:55 PM
I see Conviction to be similar to Batman Arkham Asylum from a stealth perspective. The object of the levels in BAA was to take out all the guards without being seen. Batman didn't have a weapon to use against the guards that was on par with the firearms being used by the majority of his adversaries so if you were seen playing that game you got shot at and possibly killed so being a stealthy predator was the most effective way of getting thru the game. It also had auto-aiming both with the gliding kick from cover and with throwing multiple batarangs at multiple enemies.

I think the SCC team got a lot of their ideas from BAA. The M&E being similar to throwing multiple batrangs or marking an enemy to glide-kick. LKP is similar too. If you were seen in BAA you could quickly move from gargoyle to gargoyle and the guards moved in and fired at the position where you were last seen but you could move out of sight and flank them.

BAA turned out to be an incredibly fun game with excellent graphics and gameplay mechanics and I think the SCC team was trying to implement something similar into Conviction. And I think they've succeeded. It may not be the kind of stealth we're used to as Splinter Cell fans, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing either. It's just a different way to utilize stealth play by playing as a predator instead of a spy and using stealth to hunt instead of hide.

But like most Splinter Cell fans who have been into the game at least since Chaos Theory, I'm going to miss a lot of the old features that have been eliminated, but at the same time I'm embracing what's new and I hope I'll enjoy the game as much I think I will. If the game is anything like BAA was it should be a great game.

Stealthgamer001
02-14-2010, 04:56 PM
I determined that it is most likely still possible to use complete stealth in conviction because I look around for alternate routes in the demos. I don't believe I have yet seen any point that is clearly not possible to pass without neutralizing or alerting an NPC. A few spots are questionable, but I am confident. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:Even if you kill everyone there, it's not like they can find you, making you covert, which is stealthy.

I will agree with you on this, as long as they don't find the bodies than you can kill everyone and be stealthy. It would also depend on if they noticed guards that were missing and be alerted to that and that would depend on the AI. The problem is that we can't move bodies so that hinders us being able to kill everyone and still be stealthy.

Rea1SamF1sher
02-14-2010, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
I determined that it is most likely still possible to use complete stealth in conviction because I look around for alternate routes in the demos. I don't believe I have yet seen any point that is clearly not possible to pass without neutralizing or alerting an NPC. A few spots are questionable, but I am confident. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif TGS Demo at the end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SplinterCell472
02-14-2010, 04:59 PM
The devs goal was to enhance the stealth experience to make it funner. Seriously, why would you want the series to continue with Conviction being just like CT. That = boredom. I love all the old Splinter Cell games, but Conviction the way it is is what the series needed to evolve - change.

sammyboy1981
02-14-2010, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
And I'll say it one last time, Conviction is a stealth action game. That's a fact not an opinion. Not trying to argue, I know the game isn't out, but the game isn't going to change. What's in the latest vids is what we're going to get. Period.

You know how in HALO when the grunts are sleeping you can walk up behind them and knock them out with your shoulder-mounted energy launcher? Well guess what, you just played a STEALTH-ACTION GAME without even knowing!

Those Bungie guys tricked you into thinking you were buying a space marine FPS, didn't they?

Chris_Hun7er
02-14-2010, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
The devs goal was to enhance the stealth experience to make it funner. Seriously, why would you want the series to continue with Conviction being just like CT. That = boredom. I love all the old Splinter Cell games, but Conviction the way it is is what the series needed to evolve - change.
+1

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
02-14-2010, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:Even if you kill everyone there, it's not like they can find you, making you covert, which is stealthy.

I will agree with you on this, as long as they don't find the bodies than you can kill everyone and be stealthy. It would also depend on if they noticed guards that were missing and be alerted to that and that would depend on the AI. The problem is that we can't move bodies so that hinders us being able to kill everyone and still be stealthy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HOW is this stealthy?

Do you not think that Black Arrow are going to think "Hmm....somethings up" when their entire team that was guarding the EMP are wiped out, or when the officer tells them that Sam Fisher specifically beat him to a pulp and impaled him to a tree stump?

That is not stealthy, because an entire organisation now knows who's involved, where he's been and what his intentions are.

Stealth FAIL, IMO.

But that doesn't matter because, well, the guard wasn't looking when Sam shot him in the head.

Also, you can't move bodies, so it'll be pretty easy to find em.

Stealthgamer001
02-14-2010, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
I determined that it is most likely still possible to use complete stealth in conviction because I look around for alternate routes in the demos. I don't believe I have yet seen any point that is clearly not possible to pass without neutralizing or alerting an NPC. A few spots are questionable, but I am confident. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif TGS Demo at the end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I suspect there may even be a stealthy way in and out pf that pit! (Notice the nice dark tunnel right behind the scientist)

FrankieSatt
02-14-2010, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
HOW is this stealthy?

Do you not think that Black Arrow are going to think "Hmm....somethings up" when their entire team that was guarding the EMP are wiped out, or when the officer tells them that Sam Fisher specifically beat him to a pulp and impaled him to a tree stump?

That is not stealthy, because an entire organisation now knows who's involved, where he's been and what his intentions are.

Stealth FAIL, IMO.

But that doesn't matter because, well, the guard wasn't looking when Sam shot him in the head.

Also, you can't move bodies, so it'll be pretty easy to find em.

In real life, no you can't have stealth. In a video game you can depending on the AI. I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit to get better stealth than what is in conviction.

logik1911
02-14-2010, 06:51 PM
It really isn't pure stealth, though. The developers are calling it stealth action. Meaning the "stealth" in this game has to do with stealthily killing targets and avoiding them AFTER you're spotted (M&E, LKP).

I don't have a real problem with this, as my biggest beef is seeing SVM removed-but I can certainly understand the frustration with pure stealth fans. My advice to you is rent the game first and try to ghost the levels. Don't trust the demos, as they're aimed straight at the noobs and casual gamers-a pure stealth demo wouldn't be "pew pew pew" sexy. I saw plenty of options to avoid confrontation from watching the various playthroughs-and the AI look really stupid so far, so it shouldn't be that hard to avoid them.

Rea1SamF1sher
02-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
I determined that it is most likely still possible to use complete stealth in conviction because I look around for alternate routes in the demos. I don't believe I have yet seen any point that is clearly not possible to pass without neutralizing or alerting an NPC. A few spots are questionable, but I am confident. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif TGS Demo at the end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I suspect there may even be a stealthy way in and out pf that pit! (Notice the nice dark tunnel right behind the scientist) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>But you have to rescue the scientist and there three or four enemies standing next to her.

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 07:53 AM
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/x10-lumber-splinter-cell/61900)

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
02-15-2010, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/x10-lumber-splinter-cell/61900)

That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 08:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.

thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 09:07 AM
I've got a quiz for ya. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
What do and/or don't the following pictures have in common?

http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0808/db/b1e05539b9c7.jpg
http://www.behindthehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jack.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Dz1ro6Labpo/R5ix4--fv5I/AAAAAAAAAOQ/jBbmwY4f_og/s400/Master.JPG
http://mimg.sulekha.com/arnold-schwarzenegger/Stills/Arnold%20Schwarzenegger33.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/coolin123/6957splintercell.jpg
http://netwmd.com/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/rambo.jpg

CoastalGirl
02-15-2010, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
I've got a quiz for ya. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
What do all the following pictures have in common? Well I can't see the first one, but the others all contain guns (though only the cool one's silenced... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). What's my prize?

DeafAtheist
02-15-2010, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
I've got a quiz for ya. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
What do all the following pictures have in common?

They all have firearms, but the Splinter Cell is the only one whose weapon is equipt with a suppressor.

Stealthgamer001
02-15-2010, 09:22 AM
Splinter Cell is also the only one in which we see TWO guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
Well I can't see the first one, but the others all contain guns (though only the cool one's silenced... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). What's my prize? http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/826309~Chocolate-Chip-Cookie-on-White-Background-Posters.jpg

savior2006
02-15-2010, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.

thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. In both occasions where Redding was killed playing Convictions, I could easily see a non-crappy player getting themselves out. I won't be a bit surprised to see Youtube videos of people completely shooting their way out. Chaos Theory was as lenient as Splinter Cell needed to be. If you still want more action, play Uncharted.

CoastalGirl
02-15-2010, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
Well I can't see the first one, but the others all contain guns (though only the cool one's silenced... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). What's my prize? http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/826309~Chocolate-Chip-Cookie-on-White-Background-Posters.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Anyway, I don't have an issue with the weaponry as long as I don't have to use it. CT's pretty much my favorite game ever made, and certainly my favorite stealth game, and it has plenty of non-stealthy toys. It's possible to play (or, at least, attempt to play...on an easy setting) most stealth games using action, but it doesn't really bother me as long as I can play my way, too. I know it won't be possible to do it all the time in SCC (because they've said so), but I'll deal - I did in the Abattoir. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


ETA:

Originally posted by savior2006:
Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. I agree, and I think that without a real need, the tension aspect of the genre can definitely suffer. Still, regardless of what they focus on, or what they plan on letting the player get away with, I can still play like I did before; I usually reload my save/checkpoint/level (depending on how strict I decide to be with myself) the second I'm seen anyway. So, even if it's harder to die in SCC, it won't matter any more or less than it does with the others (for me).

newhenpal
02-15-2010, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by savior2006:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by demonknight102:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.

thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. In both occasions where Redding was killed playing Convictions, I could easily see a non-crappy player getting themselves out. I won't be a bit surprised to see Youtube videos of people completely shooting their way out. Chaos Theory was as lenient as Splinter Cell needed to be. If you still want more action, play Uncharted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Precisely.

Does no one remember that G4 special that chronicled the SC series and the development of Chaos Theory? They went on to say that they developed the game so that you could go back and play it as a traditional shooter. Turns it this wasn't another case of a developer adding logs of exaggeration onto the fire that is hype; they were telling the truth. Nothing was stopping you from turning up the aiming sensitivity, going Rambo on a facility, and completing your mission.


And yet Mr."I don't like to get a 'mission failed' screen" has devised more ways to fail a mission. Well, at least a nasty little "X" appears on screen for you trigger happy gamers.

This game is a gigantic compromise that will please neither action nor stealth gamers. At least Resident Evil 4 could stand on its own feet, this game is more like Perfect Dark Zero than anything else. Expect to see it at your local bargain bins 3 months after release, just like every recent Tom Clancy game.

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 01:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.


thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting

Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. In both occasions where Redding was killed playing Convictions, I could easily see a non-crappy player getting themselves out. I won't be a bit surprised to see Youtube videos of people completely shooting their way out. Chaos Theory was as lenient as Splinter Cell needed to be. If you still want more action, play Uncharted.

ya but it doesnt matter there are difficulty levels and y do u have to complain just dont play it action styled play it stealthy and stop complaining because u can still play stealthy i know im going too so y dont u

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 01:53 PM
all they are doing by adding the action part of the game is getting more fans more sales and more money for more and better games

DOUBLEACE
02-15-2010, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by newhenpal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by savior2006:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by demonknight102:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.

thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. In both occasions where Redding was killed playing Convictions, I could easily see a non-crappy player getting themselves out. I won't be a bit surprised to see Youtube videos of people completely shooting their way out. Chaos Theory was as lenient as Splinter Cell needed to be. If you still want more action, play Uncharted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Precisely.

Does no one remember that G4 special that chronicled the SC series and the development of Chaos Theory? They went on to say that they developed the game so that you could go back and play it as a traditional shooter. Turns it this wasn't another case of a developer adding logs of exaggeration onto the fire that is hype; they were telling the truth. Nothing was stopping you from turning up the aiming sensitivity, going Rambo on a facility, and completing your mission.


And yet Mr."I don't like to get a 'mission failed' screen" has devised more ways to fail a mission. Well, at least a nasty little "X" appears on screen for you trigger happy gamers.

This game is a gigantic compromise that will please neither action nor stealth gamers. At least Resident Evil 4 could stand on its own feet, this game is more like Perfect Dark Zero than anything else. Expect to see it at your local bargain bins 3 months after release, just like every recent Tom Clancy game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am both a stealth and action fan and this game pleases me.

Aveelo
02-15-2010, 04:12 PM
Stealth And Action = Best Game On World http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DOUBLEACE
02-15-2010, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth And Action = Best Game On World http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

High-Five!
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif (that looks kinda high-fiveish)

Chris_Hun7er
02-15-2010, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by DOUBLEACE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth And Action = Best Game On World http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

High-Five!
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif (that looks kinda high-fiveish) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think you're looking for this (http://www.joinpants.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/virtual-high-five.GIF) or this. (http://cdn-write.demandstudios.com/upload//7000/100/70/7/7177.jpg)

Cyrus.H
02-15-2010, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by demonknight102:
why does everyone say its not stealthy it is if u listen to the developers and watch videos its still stealthu just have the option of being stealth or action and they did this so more then just stealth fans ply the game it gets them more money to make more awsome games heres the link to prove my point
http://www.gametrailers.com/vi...-splinter-cell/61900


That's not stealth, I'm afraid.

That's a load of shooting, killing and explosions.


thats stealth they are walking around trying to be undetected the may not be great at it but its still stealth and there is killing in stealth and shooting

Don't you get it? By increasing the focus on action and making every single thing about the game easier, they have effectively reduced the NEED for stealth. In both occasions where Redding was killed playing Convictions, I could easily see a non-crappy player getting themselves out. I won't be a bit surprised to see Youtube videos of people completely shooting their way out. Chaos Theory was as lenient as Splinter Cell needed to be. If you still want more action, play Uncharted.

ya but it doesnt matter there are difficulty levels and y do u have to complain just dont play it action styled play it stealthy and stop complaining because u can still play stealthy i know im going too so y dont u </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
lern 2 type, nooblet

Aveelo
02-15-2010, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth And Action = Best Game On World http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8352/casperx.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/casperx.jpg/) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mod Can Ban Spamming ?

FrankieSatt
02-15-2010, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
I've got a quiz for ya. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
What do and/or don't the following pictures have in common?

Two people can play this game. What do and/or don't the following 2 pictures show?

http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/splintercell/chaostheory/bank/37.jpg


http://www.el33tonline.com/images/cache/7573.jpg

FrankieSatt
02-15-2010, 05:32 PM
2 more pictures, what do these show?

http://image.wareseeker.com/software/cdi/games/action-adventure-games/details_tom-clancy-s-splinter-cell-chaos-theory-single-player-demo-1.jpeg

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46190/Splinter-Cell-Conviction-screenshot_jpg.png

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 05:48 PM
dude i already proved my point y do u have to keep going on could it be because u have nothing better to do

FrankieSatt
02-15-2010, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
dude i already proved my point y do u have to keep going on could it be because u have nothing better to do

I'm trying to prove a point as well, the point being that there is a significant difference between the 2 games and those differences are the reasons why people are upset with Conviction.

You also haven't told me the difference, probably because you know the difference and it would make my point to spell it out.

demonknight102
02-15-2010, 06:46 PM
ok yes alot of the videos and pics ubi has shown are more actiony but they said long ago and have shown some vids that there is still stealth and now u can choise how u want to play so stop complaining im going to play through the game totally stealth same with the coop story and during deniable ops they even announced that one of the gamemodes for deniable ops called infiltration mode is just like hunter mode but u cant be seen or u fail so theres ur stealth now stop complaining

Aveelo
02-15-2010, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
ok yes alot of the videos and pics ubi has shown are more actiony but they said long ago and have shown some vids that there is still stealth and now u can choise how u want to play so stop complaining im going to play through the game totally stealth same with the coop story and during deniable ops they even announced that one of the gamemodes for deniable ops called infiltration mode is just like hunter mode but u cant be seen or u fail so theres ur stealth now stop complaining

Yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Dephkt
02-15-2010, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
ok yes alot of the videos and pics ubi has shown are more actiony but they said long ago and have shown some vids that there is still stealth and now u can choise how u want to play so stop complaining im going to play through the game totally stealth same with the coop story and during deniable ops they even announced that one of the gamemodes for deniable ops called infiltration mode is just like hunter mode but u cant be seen or u fail so theres ur stealth now stop complaining

You've missed the point entirely.

It's not that we can't play stealthily - sure, we still can. The problem lies in the fact that, instead of evolving, the stealth elements have been toned down to the point where they're pretty much nonexistent. Splinter Cell is a stealth game, you can't deny that - no matter how much action and movement is added into the game, it should still stick to the foundation upon which it was built.

When the audio meter is removed, when the AI has the intelligence of a stale bagel, when the visibility meter has been simplified to the point where the game is either in color or black and white (not even different shades!), when a multitude of other stealth elements are removed (i.e. dragging bodies) then you know the game has diverged from that foundation. Hell, it's even clear that the developers aren't focusing on the stealth aspect of the game, because who in their right mind would want to play a next-gen game entirely in black and white?

The problem, as I've said time and time again, is not that the game is more action oriented, it's that it removes stealth features from a stealth game. You can have your new Conviction, but please, for the sake of the series, don't neglect what made the series popular and why it draws in a different crowd than the average FPS or 3PS player.

FrankieSatt
02-15-2010, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by demonknight102:
ok yes alot of the videos and pics ubi has shown are more actiony but they said long ago and have shown some vids that there is still stealth and now u can choise how u want to play so stop complaining im going to play through the game totally stealth same with the coop story and during deniable ops they even announced that one of the gamemodes for deniable ops called infiltration mode is just like hunter mode but u cant be seen or u fail so theres ur stealth now stop complaining

I don't care about Co-Op, I don't care about Deniable Ops. I'm playing the game Single Player only beause that is all I care about. That means Stealth in Single Player mode is all I care about.

I've seen 1 minute of stealth compared to over a hour combined of action in the rest of the videos. That isn't stealthly, that is stealth tacked on because they don't like it but need to add it to make people think they are playing a Splinter Cell game.

We, the ones who like Stealth, want a true Splinter Cell sequel and that is not what we are getting.

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
Two people can play this game. What do and/or don't the following 2 pictures show? This doesn't have much to do with my quiz, but I'll play along.
1. Sam is hoping like hell that the dude doesn't turn around.
2. Sam's quietly getting the hell out of dodge so he don't get shot in the face, because that tends to be fatal.

2 more pictures, what do these show? 1. Sam is offering his shaving services, and he might threaten to slip up so the dude will tell him were a medkit might be.
2. Sam wants answers and he's going to get them.

FrankieSatt
02-15-2010, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt: This doesn't have much to do with my quiz, but I play along.
1. Sam is hoping like hell that the dude doesn't turn around.
2. Sam's quietly getting the hell out of dodge so he don't get shot in the face, because that tends to be fatal.

2 more pictures, what do these show? 1. Sam is offering his shaving services, and he might threaten to slip up so the dude will tell him were a medkit is. 2. Sam wants answers and he's going to get them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I kind of expected that kind of response from those who like Conviction but that isn't what I see.

I see 1) Sam Fisher being stealthy and unseen and getting ready to either take him out or interrogate him without being seen compared to hiding from someone shooting at you and stealth thrown out the window because they know you are there. 2) Sam Fisher stealthly interrogating someone while continuing to be unseen by anyone else and not raising and alarm compare to him getting ready to smash someones face against a mirror and a urnial getting information while making enough noise to let everyone in the building, outside and 1 block away knowing that he's torturing someone for information.

There is no comparison from Chaos Theory, or any other Splinter Cell game, to Conviction. They are completely different and that is the problem I have.

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 08:33 PM
I think it comes down to what you want to see.
Because I could say...

CT pics:
1. he's being a perv
2. Sam’s being un-stealthy on a critical mission just to find a code for a door that he can hack.

SCC pics:
1. He was spotted; he's only human, now he has to deal with the consequences of his mistake.
2. He's a father looking for the man who murdered his daughter.

newhenpal
02-15-2010, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
I've got a quiz for ya. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
What do and/or don't the following pictures have in common?

http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0808/db/b1e05539b9c7.jpg
http://www.behindthehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jack.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Dz1ro6Labpo/R5ix4--fv5I/AAAAAAAAAOQ/jBbmwY4f_og/s400/Master.JPG
http://mimg.sulekha.com/arnold-schwarzenegger/Stills/Arnold%20Schwarzenegger33.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/coolin123/6957splintercell.jpg
http://netwmd.com/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/rambo.jpg

You aren't, by any chance, implying that Sam and Jack are somehow in the same boat because they aren't he-men filled with steroid-induced rage carrying really big guns, are you?

Stealthgamer001
02-15-2010, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
We, the ones who like Stealth, want a true Splinter Cell sequel and that is not what we are <STRIKE>getting</STRIKE> being shown.

Your second set of pictures illistrates a very legitimate point.

The first set, however, does not. It's an unfair comparison of Sam doing two completely different things, both of which he can do in both games. (minus the LKP marker)

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 08:43 PM
@newhenpal
I was merely having some fun.
I just wanted to see what everyone would make of it.
In short, the Light-siders can easily see that Sam stands apart and comment on how so. Yet you Dark-siders seem to think that I was saying Sam is the same as the rest.
As I said, it's just a little fun, and a marginal social experiment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Joshua Morrison
02-15-2010, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
@newhenpal
I was merely having some fun.
I just wanted to see what everyone would make of it.
In short, the Light-siders can easily see that Sam stands apart and comment on how so. Yet you Dark-siders seem to think that I was saying Sam is the same as the rest.
As I said, it's just a little fun, and a marginal social experiment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Jazz the problem is Sam does have something in common with all of these action heroes now....
Jack.... the fire fights the interrogations...
Master Chief... regenerating health...
I don't have one for Arnold (maybe someone else could help)... how about angry voice or cliche action movies story..???
Rambo... M&E I heard this in another post makes since he does it in the new movie.

Sam use to fight enemies the only realistic way one man could take down many and that is with stealth now he runs out and pew pew pews all over enemies with much more numbers ans bigger guns.. which happens to be what all the heroes above are known for.

FrankieSatt
02-16-2010, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
Your second set of pictures illistrates a very legitimate point.

The first set, however, does not. It's an unfair comparison of Sam doing two completely different things, both of which he can do in both games. (minus the LKP marker)

The first set IS a fair comparison. The 1st picture shows "Stealth" in Chaos Theory, Unseen, Unheard and Unknown. The 2nd picture shows what the devs think "Stealth" means, hiding from someone shooting at you and you are seen, heard and known which isn't "Stealth".

One more thing, please don't correct my posts. I post EXACTLY what I wanted to say and I don't need, nor want, any correction from anyone.

Stealthgamer001
02-16-2010, 01:32 PM
@ FrankieSatt, that was not an attempt to change your mind or say that you don't really believe what you're saying. That was me making it clear to everyone else that that particular post of yours was mere speculation.

I understand that you may not see it as speculation, and I disagree completely.

Thanks for staying professional though. If you don't want strikethroughs in your quotes, I'll respect that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

As for the guide: I hope the walkthrough in the strategy guide demonstrates contact-free "ghost" stealth rather than "cherry picking" stealth, or "ninja" stealth as it's sometimes referred to.

FrankieSatt
02-16-2010, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:As for the guide: I hope the walkthrough in the strategy guide demonstrates contact-free "ghost" stealth rather than "cherry picking" stealth, or "ninja" stealth as it's sometimes referred to.

That is something I didn't think about, the Strategy Guide. I wonder how they will do the walk throughs. I do feel that the guide will be heavy on M&E and Run N Gun just for the simple fact that in my opinion Conviction is geared towards that. If the Guide leads you that way, and that way only, that should tell you what the devs are thinking as well.

SORENSOE
02-16-2010, 02:44 PM
This isn't SORENSOE this is a friend.


He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? Is that you're all waiting for the SAME GAME. You are all fans of the SAME SERIES. For people who have such a common interest, I've never seen anyone argue so much in my entire life.

You all need a good dose of optimism.

I am going to be really glad when this game comes out because I'm so sick of reading about all of you complaining and the dumbest things and getting WAY off topic.

The first comment made by sammyboy1981 was immediately negative and doubting everything.

Sometimes, I really want to smack you all.


Again, this IS NOT SORENSOE.

His account was up so I figured, why not.
<STRIKE>So sick of you splinter cell fans...you people on this forum are giving the series a bad name. You make it look bad and like its terrible but I know every single one of you will be jumping with joy like little girls once it's finally out. But once it is out, I'm sure you will all complain about how terrible it is. So do us all a favour, and find a new game and series to play. Immature people.</STRIKE>

sgt_brent
02-16-2010, 02:48 PM
I wish I had a friend to defend me on forums..

Dephkt
02-16-2010, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by SORENSOE:
This isn't SORENSOE this is a friend.


He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? Is that you're all waiting for the SAME GAME. You are all fans of the SAME SERIES. For people who have such a common interest, I've never seen anyone argue so much in my entire life.

You all need a good dose of optimism.

I am going to be really glad when this game comes out because I'm so sick of reading about all of you complaining and the dumbest things and getting WAY off topic.

The first comment made by sammyboy1981 was immediately negative and doubting everything.

Sometimes, I really want to smack you all.


Again, this IS NOT SORENSOE.

His account was up so I figured, why not.
<STRIKE>So sick of you splinter cell fans...you people on this forum are giving the series a bad name. You make it look bad and like its terrible but I know every single one of you will be jumping with joy like little girls once it's finally out. But once it is out, I'm sure you will all complain about how terrible it is. So do us all a favour, and find a new game and series to play. Immature people.</STRIKE>

Your rant completely neglects to understand what a forum actually is. It's not a place where users are only allowed to praise a game - it's a place where players (long-time fans and new ones) are able to discuss their thoughts on the upcoming game.

If a user likes a feature, awesome. Similarly, users are also encouraged to discuss why they dislike various changes. Both sides of the discussion are completely respectable, and unless the posts are simply incoherent rants (see quoted post) then they are contributing to the forum in hopes of improving the game.

Why is your optimism 'better' than somebody else's pessimism? Rhetorical question - it isn't. Oh, and check this out pal:


He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

sammyboy1981
02-16-2010, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by SORENSOE:
This isn't SORENSOE this is a friend.


He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? Is that you're all waiting for the SAME GAME. You are all fans of the SAME SERIES. For people who have such a common interest, I've never seen anyone argue so much in my entire life.

You all need a good dose of optimism.

I am going to be really glad when this game comes out because I'm so sick of reading about all of you complaining and the dumbest things and getting WAY off topic.

The first comment made by sammyboy1981 was immediately negative and doubting everything.

Sometimes, I really want to smack you all.


Again, this IS NOT SORENSOE.

His account was up so I figured, why not.
<STRIKE>So sick of you splinter cell fans...you people on this forum are giving the series a bad name. You make it look bad and like its terrible but I know every single one of you will be jumping with joy like little girls once it's finally out. But once it is out, I'm sure you will all complain about how terrible it is. So do us all a favour, and find a new game and series to play. Immature people.</STRIKE>

What are you talking about again?

I guess I'm supposed to take your word that the Prima Guide says something? Where did you learn this again? Do you actually have the guide in front of you? Was it on their website? What you stated from Prima was nothing more than a bit a promotional jibberish. What I replied about the game not being done was based off a report from the TeamXBox Preview. (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2507/Tom-Clancys-Splinter-Cell-Conviction/p1/) You're trying to tell us that the game is stealthy because "Prima" said so??? I guess if the game box says "hi-octane action", I should only play it outside in a well ventilated area...right?

Take your rant somplace else...

Aveelo
02-16-2010, 06:32 PM
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SORENSOE
02-16-2010, 07:26 PM
haha. i'm sorry guys. that was actually a girlfriend i live with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

she just hates me spending more time on splinter cell than on her.

so no hard feelings, just ignore her.

haha and aveelo, i love all your simplistic posts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif haha.

SORENSOE
02-16-2010, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Dephkt:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and Dephkt, i'm not sure what your getting at. unless you're not understanding english she used a pronoun for me "he" and then the pronoun for her as the poster "me." so are you just confused that she watches me on here every time i'm on her or are you believing it was actually "me" posting that as a fake person? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

haha either way. i don't mind someone arguing with her besides me. gives me time to myself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dephkt
02-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by SORENSOE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dephkt:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He gets on this forum site every day and reads what you all have to say and you know what gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and Dephkt, i'm not sure what your getting at. unless you're not understanding english she used a pronoun for me "he" and then the pronoun for her as the poster "me." so are you just confused that she watches me on here every time i'm on her or are you believing it was actually "me" posting that as a fake person? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

haha either way. i don't mind someone arguing with her besides me. gives me time to myself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, I read it as "he gets on here and reads... and what gets me (as in referring to the he)" as opposed to "he gets on here and reads TO me."

Regardless, my original point still stands http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

SORENSOE
02-16-2010, 07:48 PM
haha. sure thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jazz117Volkov
02-16-2010, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by sgt_brent:
I wish I had a friend to defend me on forums.. Don't sweat it Brent, I've got it covered.
http://ui15.gamespot.com/2798/93887720070911790screen005_2.jpg

DeafAtheist
02-17-2010, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by SORENSOE:
she just hates me spending more time on splinter cell than on her.

Poor girl won't get ANY attention once the game comes out. :P

FrankieSatt
02-17-2010, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You can post that 1000 times and it won't change the fact that so far we've seen 1 minute of stealth video, that was pieced together.

For a game that supposedly is "Stealth" as well as action we have been seen very little of the "Stealth".

JAHman28
02-17-2010, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You can post that 1000 times and it won't change the fact that so far we've seen 1 minute of stealth video, that was pieced together.

For a game that supposedly is "Stealth" as well as action we have been seen very little of the "Stealth". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

true.

the game testers in vids seem only interested in playing action.

Why? 'cause they've never seen action in a splinter cell game before. but now that we know action works, the players should try leaving one or two enemies...

perhaps use a silenced weapon more...

little things like that.

AGENTxxxxx47
02-17-2010, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action"

JAHman28
02-17-2010, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth

AGENTxxxxx47
02-17-2010, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action"

Aveelo
02-17-2010, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea


Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spam

AGENTxxxxx47
02-17-2010, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea


Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

still waiting for the demo for codeofconviction?

Didn't you spam that thread and make fun of people who said there was no demo.. by "marking their words"?


move on kid

Aveelo
02-17-2010, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea


Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aveelo:
Stealth-Action Game You Can Use Stealth Or You Gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More about action than the previous splinter cells which had no action at all.

this game gives plenty of both action and stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"creative director Maxime Beland states over a sandwich in a café, “We
wanted Splinter Cell: Conviction to be more about action" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

still waiting for the demo for codeofconviction?

Didn't you spam that thread and make fun of people who said there was no demo.. by "marking their words"?


move on kid </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quit The Forums ?

AGENTxxxxx47
02-17-2010, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:

Quit The Forums ?

NO way!! We would miss you !


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6402/2zcgg.gif (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/2zcgg.gif/)

Mr_Shade
02-17-2010, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by SORENSOE:
This isn't SORENSOE this is a friend.

I would remember to sign out..

Since anything said by your friend, using your account, is your problem, should it break the rules...

They say something to get you banned, and you have to do the time, not them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SORENSOE
02-17-2010, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Mr_Shade:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SORENSOE:
This isn't SORENSOE this is a friend.

I would remember to sign out..

Since anything said by your friend, using your account, is your problem, should it break the rules...

They say something to get you banned, and you have to do the time, not them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you wouldn't believe how many of my passwords she has figured out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i have changed my password at LEAST 12 times now. haha. ahh, she knows me too well.