View Full Version : It's not the arrow, its the Indian

03-17-2005, 05:45 PM

I have been flying IL-2 since it came out and this week is the first time I ever took any time to actually go through and read some of these UBI forum threads to see what is being posted....

OMG! All the crying about flight models is unbelievable... any funny to boot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I just want to say this and I will go away:

EVERY fighter plane has at least 1 tactical advantage (speed being best) that can be exploited against an opponent flying a different model. Yes, some planes have a lot more positives than others, but still proper tactics and understanding what your plane and your opponents' can do can make any dogfight go either way.

Who cares if the flight models aren't perfectly historical and who is correct to judge them to be right or wrong. I think an incredible job has been done by Oleg and his crew to get it to this point and I am thankful for their work.

My only suggestion to the pilots:

Fly as many different aircraft as you can. This will help you to understand how to fight. I have noticed that the people who cry the most only fly 1 or 2 planes.

I love you all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


03-17-2005, 07:08 PM
Bravo! Finally,someone who feels the same as I do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

03-17-2005, 07:40 PM
It's not the arrow, it's the NATIVE AMERICAN.

Just trying to head any PC nitwits at the pass.

03-17-2005, 07:57 PM
at the most times moses is sure right.
but sometimes these discussions are clarify something and sometimes they solve bugs.

well some last to remember :
-negG cut outs in Zero 21
-much to low max dive speed in Wildcats and Tonies
-carrier launch of Corsair

03-17-2005, 09:04 PM
Yeah, sure, every plane has one tactical advantage over others. And it chaps the hide of a fan of that plane to have said advantage nullified, diminished or just trumped by some artificial advantage "given" another plane.

If you don't understand why people who know something of the subject just want it "to be right", you don't understand simulation. To be right is the goal of a simulation.

Don't blame people who point out these things for the faults of the designer. One person just named a few of the things that "had to be pointed out" to the developers as wrong. And there are others, be sure.

There is some truth to the adage, "It's not the plane, it's the pilot", but it's just one factor in a long list. And it's certainly not a be-all, end-all excuse to dismiss what is wrong with the modeling.

03-17-2005, 09:18 PM
Good post Mad_Moses!!
You wouldn't believe the damage you can do in a MIG3U or a I-153. Nobody complains about their FM!

03-18-2005, 12:07 AM
Could you please tell me the one tactical advantage of the CR42. love to hear it!. LOL

03-18-2005, 12:21 AM
It is not MK108, it is the Experte ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

03-18-2005, 12:37 AM
I've heard, that many First people used firearms to fight the palefaces? Aiming and deflection shooting is a matter of training. And firearms hade a good onehit-onekill ratio.
And even Native US Americans would have patched their bows/bowstrings/arrowtips (within 2 weeks), when they would figure out that the arrows no longer would penetrate soms buffalo skins like their fathers and grandfathers arrows did.

Yours, MD

03-18-2005, 01:11 AM
In a way You are right mad moses.

Sometimes the "whining" gets to me, but there are a vast range of personalities, ages and cultures on these boards.
There is a great interest about this issue in the comunity, wich is good.
The great thing with a forum is that anyone may add their piece and thus be heard.
Some ofcourse have more educated input than others , for obvious reasons.
Constructive critisism is really a thing for researchers and rare even in their fields at times.
Although there are things I dont care much for there still are some decent forumers out there pouring in good stuff.

U have to take the good with the bad.

03-18-2005, 01:30 AM
I`d like to verify that statement.The Indian counts if he has an already better arrow than this of his enemy.

Then again try gving an Apache a prehistoric bow and force him to kill another Apache that has their homemade bow.

I`m sure Indians would rather have famous Japanese bows cuz of their obvious advantages in use.

03-18-2005, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
Could you please tell me the one tactical advantage of the CR42. love to hear it!. LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, against its historical foes:

in Italian service:
vs J8A/Gladiator - its speed !
vs Hurricane - turn and propably climb

in Hungarian service:
against I-16 , turn.
I-153 is realy a deadly oponent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

in Belgium service:
vs Bf109E - turn

03-18-2005, 10:53 AM