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Iskander_Estel
10-03-2011, 01:34 PM
In AC1 Lucy said the Templars had the Masyaf artifact but it was destroyed in the Denver accident, so that's way they need Desmond's memories, to find a replacement.

In the Codex Altair mentions he will hide his POE in Cyprus, so during AC2 the templars retrive and Ezio stole it from them...
then in ACB Ezio hide it under the Coloseum, and Desmond find it there in 2012.
So obviusly this is not the Denver artifact.

So here's my question when was another artifact hidden in Masyaf?

itsamea-mario
10-03-2011, 01:37 PM
This is one of those big old plotholes in the series, down which falls reason.

eagleforlife1
10-03-2011, 01:40 PM
The artifact isn't necessarily a POE. There is some speculation that it may be the Phaistos disc.

Iskander_Estel
10-03-2011, 01:43 PM
So you think this is going to be revealed in Revelation?

Altair661
10-03-2011, 01:44 PM
I always thought the denver incident was them trying to recreate a version of the POE or something along those lines. I could be thinking of something else.

reini03
10-03-2011, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by eagleforlife1:
The artifact isn't necessarily a POE. There is some speculation that it may be the Phaistos disc.
Didn't the Phaistos disc in the ACR reveal stand for a seal of Altair? Because those two look pretty similar...

Iskander_Estel
10-03-2011, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Altair661:
I always thought the denver incident was them trying to recreate a version of the POE or something along those lines. I could be thinking of something else.

Denver is where they making the satelite to control the world, they just need an artifact to complet it.

Iskander_Estel
10-03-2011, 01:51 PM
But how do you think another artifact ended in Masyaf? was Altair who left it there?, or maybe Ezio hide it in the library at the end od revelation.

Altair661
10-03-2011, 01:51 PM
Oh, true. I must be thinking about something else. But possibly another artifact is what we find in Altair's library.

Calvarok
10-03-2011, 02:48 PM
Actually, the Denver PoE was a different apple. Lucy was wrong.

LightRey
10-03-2011, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
Actually, the Denver PoE was a different apple. Lucy was wrong.
Yeah, she was most likely misinformed at the time, or jumped to conclusions.

Iskander_Estel
10-03-2011, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
Actually, the Denver PoE was a different apple. Lucy was wrong.

When was this said in the games?

Calvarok
10-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
Actually, the Denver PoE was a different apple. Lucy was wrong.

When was this said in the games? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It doesn't need to be said.

We learned that the apple Ezio found was Altair's, so logically it can't have been the same one as was destroyed, because Desmond finds it in 2012.

naran6142
10-03-2011, 07:49 PM
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Iskander_Estel
10-04-2011, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories.

Iskander_Estel
10-04-2011, 03:33 AM
It doesn't need to be said.

We learned that the apple Ezio found was Altair's, so logically it can't have been the same one as was destroyed, because Desmond finds it in 2012.

We don't really know that, that's just assuming things.

They nerver explicit say: Ezio's apple is the Altair's apple. or: Lucy was misinformed about it.

LightRey
10-04-2011, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
It doesn't need to be said.

We learned that the apple Ezio found was Altair's, so logically it can't have been the same one as was destroyed, because Desmond finds it in 2012.

We don't really know that, that's just assuming things.

They nerver explicit say: Ezio's apple is the Altair's apple. or: Lucy was misinformed about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the codex quite clearly specifies that the apple brought to Cyprus was the apple Alta´r had and there's never any mention of another PoE, which would make it unlikely for there to have been another one. We all know Ezio's apple is the apple from the codex, since that's how Rodrigo found out about it in the first place, so there's really no reason to assume Ezio's apple is a different apple than Alta´r's apple.

Really, the explanations that require the least assumptions are that Lucy was either lying or misinformed, so I'd stick with those.

CRUDFACE
10-04-2011, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
It doesn't need to be said.

We learned that the apple Ezio found was Altair's, so logically it can't have been the same one as was destroyed, because Desmond finds it in 2012.

We don't really know that, that's just assuming things.

They nerver explicit say: Ezio's apple is the Altair's apple. or: Lucy was misinformed about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the codex quite clearly specifies that the apple brought to Cyprus was the apple Alta´r had and there's never any mention of another PoE, which would make it unlikely for there to have been another one. We all know Ezio's apple is the apple from the codex, since that's how Rodrigo found out about it in the first place, so there's really no reason to assume Ezio's apple is a different apple than Alta´r's apple.

Really, the explanations that require the least assumptions are that Lucy was either lying or misinformed, so I'd stick with those. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.

LightRey
10-04-2011, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by t260z:
Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.
Well to be specific, I'd say she was lying or misinformed about the Denver apple being the same as Alta´r's apple. Either that or sometime after Alta´r's life another apple was stored at Masyaf, which would have been the Denver apple.

CRUDFACE
10-04-2011, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.
Well to be specific, I'd say she was lying or misinformed about the Denver apple being the same as Alta´r's apple. Either that or sometime after Alta´r's life another apple was stored at Masyaf, which would have been the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, it was the same, they even had a saying about it that she shared with Warren and other people in the company "Everything's Denver" or something like that. she even states that it's the same one Altair had.

LightRey
10-04-2011, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.
Well to be specific, I'd say she was lying or misinformed about the Denver apple being the same as Alta´r's apple. Either that or sometime after Alta´r's life another apple was stored at Masyaf, which would have been the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, it was the same, they even had a saying about it that she shared with Warren and other people in the company "Everything's Denver" or something like that. she even states that it's the same one Altair had. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, but that's what she would then be lying or misinformed about, because Alta´r's apple is
Ezio's apple, which is the apple Desmond has.

CRUDFACE
10-04-2011, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.
Well to be specific, I'd say she was lying or misinformed about the Denver apple being the same as Alta´r's apple. Either that or sometime after Alta´r's life another apple was stored at Masyaf, which would have been the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, it was the same, they even had a saying about it that she shared with Warren and other people in the company "Everything's Denver" or something like that. she even states that it's the same one Altair had. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, but that's what she would then be lying or misinformed about, because Alta´r's apple is
Ezio's apple, which is the apple Desmond has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure, weird when everyone is misinformed. The apple blowing up was like the main reason Desmond was there, to replace it.

Yes, Altair's apple--->Ezio---->Desmond. But that was reworked to have a better feel for the game. Instead of it just blowing up in some airport.

AC1 was a big departure in story/feel and flow of AC1 though. It contributed to the rewrite.

Almost forgot, Desmond asks Lucy to just go to Masyaf to pick it up, Lucy tells them they already did.

LightRey
10-04-2011, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
Are you talking about Lying and misinformed about the apple destroyed at Denver? I think that was the only slight story change they made, they pulled it off since the apple getting destroyed was something you only read on the side, not part of the main quest.
Well to be specific, I'd say she was lying or misinformed about the Denver apple being the same as Alta´r's apple. Either that or sometime after Alta´r's life another apple was stored at Masyaf, which would have been the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, it was the same, they even had a saying about it that she shared with Warren and other people in the company "Everything's Denver" or something like that. she even states that it's the same one Altair had. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, but that's what she would then be lying or misinformed about, because Alta´r's apple is
Ezio's apple, which is the apple Desmond has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure, weird when everyone is misinformed. The apple blowing up was like the main reason Desmond was there, to replace it.

Yes, Altair's apple--->Ezio---->Desmond. But that was reworked to have a better feel for the game. Instead of it just blowing up in some airport.

AC1 was a big departure in story/feel and flow of AC1 though. It contributed to the rewrite.

Almost forgot, Desmond asks Lucy to just go to Masyaf to pick it up, Lucy tells them they already did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well the Denver accident still happened of course and there most definitely was an apple there and that apple couldn't possibly be Alta´r's apple.

Windrius
10-04-2011, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
that apple couldn't possibly be Alta´r's apple.

OR! or... It actually is the same apple and the creative directors, or whoever thinks of this stuff, are reading this thread and are like 'holy bleep, did Lucy actually say that in AC1?'.

naran6142
10-04-2011, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples?

Calvarok
10-04-2011, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there were, but Lucy obviously found out her mistake, because she knew later that Altair's apple was the one that Ezio found. We don't know where the Templars got the Denver apple.

LightRey
10-04-2011, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Windrius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
that apple couldn't possibly be Alta´r's apple.

OR! or... It actually is the same apple and the creative directors, or whoever thinks of this stuff, are reading this thread and are like 'holy bleep, did Lucy actually say that in AC1?'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
xD
That would be hilarious.

naran6142
10-04-2011, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there were, but Lucy obviously found out her mistake, because she knew later that Altair's apple was the one that Ezio found. We don't know where the Templars got the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well thats what im saying, she just assumed the denver apple was altairs

Calvarok
10-04-2011, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there were, but Lucy obviously found out her mistake, because she knew later that Altair's apple was the one that Ezio found. We don't know where the Templars got the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well thats what im saying, she just assumed the denver apple was altairs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah.

GeneralTrumbo
10-04-2011, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
In AC1 Lucy said the Templars had the Masyaf artifact but it was destroyed in the Denver accident, so that's way they need Desmond's memories, to find a replacement.

In the Codex Altair mentions he will hide his POE in Cyprus, so during AC2 the templars retrive and Ezio stole it from them...
then in ACB Ezio hide it under the Coloseum, and Desmond find it there in 2012.
So obviusly this is not the Denver artifact.

So here's my question when was another artifact hidden in Masyaf?

I think there will be a lot of books and stuff you can read in that library, revealing knowledge mostly. Maybe some type of artifact to tie this all together as well.

Moultonborough
10-04-2011, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple apples rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there were, but Lucy obviously found out her mistake, because she knew later that Altair's apple was the one that Ezio found. We don't know where the Templars got the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well thats what im saying, she just assumed the denver apple was altairs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

Calvarok
10-04-2011, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Moultonborough:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
well we no that there were multiple rights

lucy probably just thought that there was only one, so she assumed it belonged to Altair

Lucy knew there were multiple apple (artifacts) thats what they were looking for in Desmond memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

were there not multiple apples? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there were, but Lucy obviously found out her mistake, because she knew later that Altair's apple was the one that Ezio found. We don't know where the Templars got the Denver apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well thats what im saying, she just assumed the denver apple was altairs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, but that contradicts the fact that we later learn that Altair's apple is the same one that Ezio found and stored for Desmond. We're assuming it was just a writer's mistake with Lucy's line, but a story explanation would be that she just messed up.

naran6142
10-04-2011, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Moultonborough:
It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

the piece of eden involved at the DIA accident was not altairs apple because altair hid his apple at cyprus where it stayed until the templars recovered it in AC2 and we no that ezio locked it in the Colosseum vault.

i dont no if the piece of eden was an apple or not (it might have been another piece of eden i guess) but we no there were multiple apple from the truth

so the POE at DIA could just have been another apple

Iskander_Estel
10-09-2011, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moultonborough:
It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

the piece of eden involved at the DIA accident was not altairs apple because altair hid his apple at cyprus where it stayed until the templars recovered it in AC2 and we no that ezio locked it in the Colosseum vault.

i dont no if the piece of eden was an apple or not (it might have been another piece of eden i guess) but we no there were multiple apple from the truth

so the POE at DIA could just have been another apple </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what i was saying at the beginnig, obviously it's not the same artifact, there's only 3 possible explanations:

1: Script error, the change of writers between games made a total mess with the story.

2: Lucy was wrong or liying, if so, Why?

3: There is another artifact in Masyaf (revelation in Altair's library).

So what do you think?

LH 517704 46137
10-10-2011, 06:59 AM
Throughout the series there has been revealed to be six apples of Eden.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/First_Apple
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Apple
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Apple
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Fourth_Apple
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Fifth_Apple
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Sixth_Apple

It was the second piece that was hinted to have been involved with the DIA.

eagleforlife1
10-10-2011, 07:10 AM
Off topic but as the seals of Altair were made by TWCB does that make them pieces of Eden?

LightRey
10-10-2011, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by eagleforlife1:
Off topic but as the seals of Altair were made by TWCB does that make them pieces of Eden?
I don't think so. They are artifacts, but I don't think they're referred to as PoE's and I think there might be more to that term than just the fact that TWCB made them.

CRUDFACE
10-10-2011, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by eagleforlife1:
Off topic but as the seals of Altair were made by TWCB does that make them pieces of Eden?

I believe the term POE just means relic before our time basically. And since they interact with us, then yes, I believe they are but on a wider scale. Like how there are multiple apples.

Toxotes47
10-10-2011, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eagleforlife1:
Off topic but as the seals of Altair were made by TWCB does that make them pieces of Eden?
I don't think so. They are artifacts, but I don't think they're referred to as PoE's and I think there might be more to that term than just the fact that TWCB made them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe the term POE is given only to those artifacts which were made by humans working as slaves in eden ?

CRUDFACE
10-10-2011, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moultonborough:
It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

the piece of eden involved at the DIA accident was not altairs apple because altair hid his apple at cyprus where it stayed until the templars recovered it in AC2 and we no that ezio locked it in the Colosseum vault.

i dont no if the piece of eden was an apple or not (it might have been another piece of eden i guess) but we no there were multiple apple from the truth

so the POE at DIA could just have been another apple </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what i was saying at the beginnig, obviously it's not the same artifact, there's only 3 possible explanations:

1: Script error, the change of writers between games made a total mess with the story.

2: Lucy was wrong or liying, if so, Why?

3: There is another artifact in Masyaf (revelation in Altair's library).

So what do you think? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Number 1 because Desmond specifically asks Lucy about the apple when he says it looks like it's in Masyaf and Lucy tells him that they did and that it's gone.

LightRey
10-10-2011, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moultonborough:
It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

the piece of eden involved at the DIA accident was not altairs apple because altair hid his apple at cyprus where it stayed until the templars recovered it in AC2 and we no that ezio locked it in the Colosseum vault.

i dont no if the piece of eden was an apple or not (it might have been another piece of eden i guess) but we no there were multiple apple from the truth

so the POE at DIA could just have been another apple </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what i was saying at the beginnig, obviously it's not the same artifact, there's only 3 possible explanations:

1: Script error, the change of writers between games made a total mess with the story.

2: Lucy was wrong or liying, if so, Why?

3: There is another artifact in Masyaf (revelation in Altair's library).

So what do you think? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Number 1 because Desmond specifically asks Lucy about the apple when he says it looks like it's in Masyaf and Lucy tells him that they did and that it's gone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That could also be explained by no. 2 mai freind.

CRUDFACE
10-10-2011, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t260z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moultonborough:
It was. Desmond in AC asked Lucy why they were using him. When the apple to him looked like it was in Masyaf. Lucy said they had it but it was destroyed in the DIA accident( most likely thanks to Lucy and the Assassin's). So that was why they wanted Desmond, because they knew there was a map.

the piece of eden involved at the DIA accident was not altairs apple because altair hid his apple at cyprus where it stayed until the templars recovered it in AC2 and we no that ezio locked it in the Colosseum vault.

i dont no if the piece of eden was an apple or not (it might have been another piece of eden i guess) but we no there were multiple apple from the truth

so the POE at DIA could just have been another apple </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what i was saying at the beginnig, obviously it's not the same artifact, there's only 3 possible explanations:

1: Script error, the change of writers between games made a total mess with the story.

2: Lucy was wrong or liying, if so, Why?

3: There is another artifact in Masyaf (revelation in Altair's library).

So what do you think? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Number 1 because Desmond specifically asks Lucy about the apple when he says it looks like it's in Masyaf and Lucy tells him that they did and that it's gone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That could also be explained by no. 2 mai freind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it can't be! Lol, I feel kinda bad since I was one of the people who derailed this topic. For the lying part, there'd be no reason to especially before the events of AC2, and I think the Templars would keep track of something like that.

Hmmm, I'd play AC1 too prove it too you, but god I do not want to, lol

LightRey
10-10-2011, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by t260z:
No it can't be! Lol, I feel kinda bad since I was one of the people who derailed this topic. For the lying part, there'd be no reason to especially before the events of AC2, and I think the Templars would keep track of something like that.

Hmmm, I'd play AC1 too prove it too you, but god I do not want to, lol
of course it can be. She could just have been wrong when she said that it was the PoE from Masyaf. It's not like she's giving any sources or anything, she's just claiming, for whatever reason, that the Denver apple was "the apple from Masyaf" and that could very well be either a lie or a conclusion she jumped to or something.

Iskander_Estel
10-10-2011, 09:11 AM
So opinions are divided on this one...

I would like to belive there's another artifact in Masyaf this would make more sense, because if Lucy was wrong she never explain how she knew the apple was still in one piece, and Desmond never ask anything like:

"So we are looking for the apple you told me was destroyed?"

So everything points to the greatest error of scrip in the series.

CRUDFACE
10-10-2011, 09:14 AM
@Lightrey: Why would she have been wrong like that? that;s kind of a big leap. They had the apple, it blew up at Denver (there's even an email about it).


Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
So opinions are divided on this one...

I would like to belive there's another artifact in Masyaf this would make more sense, because if Lucy was wrong she never explain how she knew the apple was still in one piece, and Desmond never ask anything like:

"So we are looking for the apple you told me was destroyed?"

So everything points to the greatest error of scrip in the series.

While there is, it's the apple they're talking about, so I think it's just that Ac2 revamped allot of things along with the story.

naran6142
10-10-2011, 10:35 AM
she was wrong cuz there were multiple apples, but she didn't no that so she assumed it was altairs. Even if it wasn't the original idea it still fits in the story without contradicting itself

POP1Fan
10-10-2011, 10:46 AM
Maybe: 1.Lucy was liying because they were watched the hole time and it might hint at a possible betrayal ( that happend in AC2 )
2.Lucy was missinformed because she was not a superior member of Abstergo and didn't had to much information on the subject untill AC2 were she might have been told by other assassins that the apple is intact and the Denver one was a different apple. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

johnnyhayek
10-10-2011, 10:53 AM
The artifact is a lie...

All that's inside is a youtube rickroll video...

Iskander_Estel
10-10-2011, 01:00 PM
Ain't there anyway to send this to Ubisoft? so we can have an oficial answer, because this the whole reason for the Desmond story and now we just have to assume things, it's important to the game.

LightRey
10-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
Ain't there anyway to send this to Ubisoft? so we can have an oficial answer, because this the whole reason for the Desmond story and now we just have to assume things, it's important to the game.
If it's important we'll find out eventually. Either through an interview, or through the games.

Moultonborough
10-11-2011, 02:08 AM
What does everyone think it will be like(the Library) I mean. For example, what we know today as a traditional library, just a locked door and the artifact right behind the door like the Brutus Armour or (what I hope) something like what Lucy and Desmond did in Brotherhood. Before we get to the artifact. I would LOVE something like that to build up the suspense like the end of Brotherhood. What do you guys think?

Iskander_Estel
10-11-2011, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Moultonborough:
What does everyone think it will be like(the Library) I mean. For example, what we know today as a traditional library, just a locked door and the artifact right behind the door like the Brutus Armour or (what I hope) something like what Lucy and Desmond did in Brotherhood. Before we get to the artifact. I would LOVE something like that to build up the suspense like the end of Brotherhood. What do you guys think?

That's a bit out of topic...

But i think it'll be like the AC2 vault, like just... You walk slowly into some kind of wierd place and.... REVELATION!... then is over and we'll have to wait one more year.

naran6142
10-11-2011, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moultonborough:
What does everyone think it will be like(the Library) I mean. For example, what we know today as a traditional library, just a locked door and the artifact right behind the door like the Brutus Armour or (what I hope) something like what Lucy and Desmond did in Brotherhood. Before we get to the artifact. I would LOVE something like that to build up the suspense like the end of Brotherhood. What do you guys think?

That's a bit out of topic...

But i think it'll be like the AC2 vault, like just... You walk slowly into some kind of wierd place and.... REVELATION!... then is over and we'll have to wait one more year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
your probably right there, its been like that for every AC game

Jexx21
10-11-2011, 02:17 PM
I thought the thing about Altiar's apple being blown up, but it being the same apple Ezio used and Desmond picked up was just a retcon.

Iskander_Estel
10-12-2011, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Jexx21:
I thought the thing about Altiar's apple being blown up, but it being the same apple Ezio used and Desmond picked up was just a retcon.

So the first game never happened?
Everything was perfect until Brotherhood.
Why do they have to erase story parts just to do something absurd, and we just have to accept it?

LightRey
10-13-2011, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
I thought the thing about Altiar's apple being blown up, but it being the same apple Ezio used and Desmond picked up was just a retcon.

So the first game never happened?
Everything was perfect until Brotherhood.
Why do they have to erase story parts just to do something absurd, and we just have to accept it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I really doubt they did. There's probably some explanation they have and we'll just have to wait until they give it.

CRUDFACE
10-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
I thought the thing about Altiar's apple being blown up, but it being the same apple Ezio used and Desmond picked up was just a retcon.

So the first game never happened?
Everything was perfect until Brotherhood.
Why do they have to erase story parts just to do something absurd, and we just have to accept it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually it was AC2 that messed up wit the apple being destroyed, they just thought that was better, using the same apple across time is way cooler then it just being blown up at an airport.

If you're looking for Ubisoft to talk about this, I kind of doubt they would.

SteelCity999
10-13-2011, 10:46 AM
For one, we don't yet know if Desmond is reliving his own memories yet - aka the inception-like theory that's been brought up before. We only know he is in a coma and we have assumed it was because of what we saw at the end of ACB. It would also make sense why his mind is jumbled because he doesn't know which reality is what...the two he's reliving or his current time.

What if Altair had more than one apple? AC1 showed locations...he could have sought them out and hid them in various places or kept the original in the library? Why else would the library be important? Why do we need to see it? It can't be so simple as just information about the order - there has to be some value to it.

They still have options to explain themselves I believe.

LightRey
10-13-2011, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by SteelCity999:
For one, we don't yet know if Desmond is reliving his own memories yet - aka the inception-like theory that's been brought up before. We only know he is in a coma and we have assumed it was because of what we saw at the end of ACB. It would also make sense why his mind is jumbled because he doesn't know which reality is what...the two he's reliving or his current time.

What if Altair had more than one apple? AC1 showed locations...he could have sought them out and hid them in various places or kept the original in the library? Why else would the library be important? Why do we need to see it? It can't be so simple as just information about the order - there has to be some value to it.

They still have options to explain themselves I believe.
Why couldn't it be information? Every time they found a "weapon" or something at the end of one of the games it always turned out to be information and information is exactly the kind of thing that could turn the war in favor of the Assassins.

SteelCity999
10-13-2011, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
Why couldn't it be information? Every time they found a "weapon" or something at the end of one of the games it always turned out to be information and information is exactly the kind of thing that could turn the war in favor of the Assassins.

I'm not talking about library type information...like just assassin information. Maybe information is not the best word to use. Yes the apple had information within it and the temples have had "information" in it but they are devices above all. I find it odd that the templars want to launch a poe into orbit to control the world but yet leave many more poes down on earth that could negate the apple in orbit. There has to be something that trumps everything the templars are doing...like a master apple that can control the others..something to that effect. Your point is well taken.

We'll see..they said we will know exactly where we are going in AC3 at the end of the game.

Iskander_Estel
10-13-2011, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by SteelCity999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Why couldn't it be information? Every time they found a "weapon" or something at the end of one of the games it always turned out to be information and information is exactly the kind of thing that could turn the war in favor of the Assassins.

I'm not talking about library type information...like just assassin information. Maybe information is not the best word to use. Yes the apple had information within it and the temples have had "information" in it but they are devices above all. I find it odd that the templars want to launch a poe into orbit to control the world but yet leave many more poes down on earth that could negate the apple in orbit. There has to be something that trumps everything the templars are doing...like a master apple that can control the others..something to that effect. Your point is well taken.

We'll see..they said we will know exactly where we are going in AC3 at the end of the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Their plan is to find all the artifacts, but they just need one for the satelite (The boss of Vidic said so at the end of AC1)

dewgel
10-13-2011, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by johnnyhayek:
The artifact is a lie...

All that's inside is a youtube rickroll video...

Or a Clockcrew Tricky clown twurling his meat towards you..

Ah the good ol' days, where the internet was full of cheap flash animations.