PDA

View Full Version : The ultimate videocard for PF



ddsflyer
01-25-2006, 02:49 PM
Check out these specs.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1900XTXCF/x1900/il2.htm

ddsflyer
01-25-2006, 02:49 PM
Check out these specs.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1900XTXCF/x1900/il2.htm

zoinks_
01-25-2006, 03:24 PM
pretty awesome. but these prices are getting...

Treetop64
01-25-2006, 05:00 PM
...Still less expensive than the GTX 512 though, and the ATI card is using the 90nm architecture.

$660 is not a bad price at all for that card, though I paid only a bit less than two-thirds that for my X1800XL, which is a fantastic card for the price, BTW...

Still, the increase in performance from the 1800s to the 1900s is marked indeed, and I'm just considering a purchase very soon...

Yep, I'm a junkie.

Willey
01-25-2006, 05:23 PM
WTF, 70fps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

With 2048x1536, 4x AA, 16x AF I just get a single fps out of my 3000+ Barton w/ 2GB 400 RAM and a 9800 @380/320 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lbhskier37
01-25-2006, 05:46 PM
Well I don't know how the "ultimate videocard for PF" would be a card that doesn't support water 4. For other games though its as good as you can get. ....until the G71 comes out next month.

Chivas
01-26-2006, 12:30 AM
Unfortunately the 1900XTX has worse frame rates than the 1800 and 7800 in FB.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1900_xt_preview/

JG52_Cyanide
01-26-2006, 05:13 AM
This is getting better and better;

every single hardware site that I've looked at to compare benchmarks ALL had completely different outcomes and especially when it comes to IL-2 it's all very fuzzy:

They never say which settings they use (eg perfect or excellent) and when you look at for instance the following review:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1900XTXCF/x1900/il2.htm

The x1900 kicks everybodies butts......but here they don't tell wether it's opengl or direct3d, if it's perfect or excellent and ALL sites "forget" to mention if they run certain tracks......

So as for now; nobody can say wether the x1900 is faster than the nvidia 7800 series.....(talking IL-2 here) and every site comes to completely different conclusions.....so.......

what's for dinner?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

ddsflyer
01-26-2006, 10:59 AM
They definitely say OpenGl. BTW it supports shader 3.0 therefore water=4

Equilizer
01-26-2006, 11:12 AM
vertex texture fetch = water = 4, not just shader 3.0.

ATI doesn't do vertex texture fetch.

Chivas
01-26-2006, 11:19 AM
Yes it would be nice to know what settings each benchmark used for testing. My first conclusion would be that the firingsquad site had some sort of mixup considering the 1800 beat the 1900 in its testing. Very weird.

SlickStick
01-26-2006, 02:02 PM
NVIDIA has almost always historically performed better in OpenGL playing this game, especially at the higher resolutions.

As long as FiringSquad has been using "The Black Death" track, this has been the case. I'm going for a 7800GT I believe. I'm also going to get an SLi-capable mobo for future expansion, while running a single 7800GT.

I'm planning an AMD64 3700+ San Diego core system for a summertime build. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AFJ_rsm
01-26-2006, 03:20 PM
very nice

send your old system to me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(just though i'd give it a shot)

james_ander
01-26-2006, 03:29 PM
I would care, but for me, no new hardware until BoB. Wow, are high end card ever getting expensive. I paid $495 for my 780 GTX with Battlefield 2. A year before that I siad I would never pay so much for a vid card. But the way things are going with processors, spending a couple hundred extra dollards on a vid card is the difference between an average system and a really good one.

I will be interested to see how ATI does with price and availability of these because they have been sucky since the release of the x800 series.

SlickStick
01-26-2006, 03:31 PM
Well, I do have a pecking order to serve.

Part of the reason I'm able to get upgrades lately is the fact that my wife knows her PC will get a kick in the pants from my hand-me-downs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've been skimming a little extra off the top lately, so summer looks like a good target date for my build. Sucks having to go about it this way, but I have to keep her slightly in the dark about PC parts cost. lol

Hunter82
01-26-2006, 03:47 PM
Actually in areas where AA and AF are used historically ATI has always been better.

In any event the PF numbers in the firingsquad reviews are off IMO. My 1800 XT at stock performs better than their listed and my X1800 XT crossfire setup is sweet in PF. My 1900 will be installed maybe this coming week if I have time...then I'll run some vanilla benches to see what the deal is.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
NVIDIA has almost always historically performed better in OpenGL playing this game, especially at the higher resolutions.

As long as FiringSquad has been using "The Black Death" track, this has been the case. I'm going for a 7800GT I believe. I'm also going to get an SLi-capable mobo for future expansion, while running a single 7800GT.

I'm planning an AMD64 3700+ San Diego core system for a summertime build. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SlickStick
01-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Copy Hunter, I also think they have not upgraded the platform they use to a merged PF+FB+AEP, which would definitely be harder on their test systems.

Although, as I've posted, if you go back over their many vid card reviews, the NVIDIA cards have performed historically better with FB, even with AA and AF involved.

james_ander
01-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Ok, $549 in stock at Newegg for the newest fastest card. That's not horrible at all for a newly released high end card.

Good job ATI.

Credit where credit is due.

AFJ_Locust
01-26-2006, 11:10 PM
card wont matter if your processor is a bottle neck.

Hunter82
01-27-2006, 06:00 AM
Yep we've had them since launch @ $531.95 (278 available)
https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info....4ae88f18967f3408ad83 (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?products_id=5034&osCsid=ba234609ae024ae88f18967f3408ad83)

and the XTX's at $639 (113 available)

https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info....4ae88f18967f3408ad83 (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?products_id=5035&osCsid=ba234609ae024ae88f18967f3408ad83)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by james_ander:
Ok, $549 in stock at Newegg for the newest fastest card. That's not horrible at all for a newly released high end card.

Good job ATI.

Credit where credit is due. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hunter82
01-27-2006, 06:02 AM
most people if running a PCI express board tend to not have a older or lower powered processor since it's newer tech.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
card wont matter if your processor is a bottle neck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SlickStick
01-27-2006, 09:07 AM
As I used to have heartache spending more than $200.00 for a vid card, I've had to up my limit a tad, as the 7800GT can be had for as low as $269.99 after a $20.00 Rebate. IMO, currently the best bang-for-the-buck for this game.

With an SLI-capable mobo, I'll be set to pick-up another one 6 months or so down the road when their price really drops.

The San Diego 3700+ should push the card nicely, especially with a little CPU and vid card overclocking thrown in for good measure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chivas
01-27-2006, 11:48 AM
I can run FB very nicely with my current system...AMD64 3800+....6800GT OC... and 2 gigs of ram. But if I go on-line with Water 2,3,4 Effects 2 Trees 3 on a big complex map things can get joppy at times.

I figure I'm only going to be flying FB for another year or two before the arrival of BOB and want to fly it maxed out. Those that can fly this game maxed, know how beautifull it can be.

Use one card now then buy a second one when BOB is released. An SLI or Crossfire system should run BOB with reasonable frame rates.

Hunter I'm also interested in seeing your findings when you test these cards.

Hunter82
01-27-2006, 03:26 PM
Not a problem....just need my wife to allow me the time to install lol.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chivas:
I can run FB very nicely with my current system...AMD64 3800+....6800GT OC... and gigs of ram. But if I go on-line with Water 2,3,4 Effects 2 Trees 3 on a big complex map things can get joppy at times.

I figure I'm only going to be flying FB for another year or two before the arrival of BOB and want to fly it maxed out. Those that can fly this game maxed, know how beautifull it can be.

Use one card now then buy a second one when BOB is released. An SLI or Crossfire system should run BOB with reasonable frame rates.

Hunter I'm also interested in seeing your finding when you test these cards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Treetop64
01-27-2006, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chivas:
Hunter I'm also interested in seeing your findings when you test these cards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As am I. I'm a happy puppy right now with my current rig, wich includes an ATI X1800. Apparently, though, the X1900's performance is so much greater than the 1800s that I'm very seriously considering a switch.

Hunter82
01-28-2006, 10:25 AM
We have guests over today so not much time for me to do any installs or even prep one. Have to remove my water cooling etc. I water cooling my X1800XT and X1800 Crossfire card lol

Hunter82
01-28-2006, 10:27 AM
1900's do alot more shader processing... I'm really looking forward to running it in crossfire.

Treetop64
01-28-2006, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
1900's do alot more shader processing... I'm really looking forward to running it in crossfire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, like 48 or something? Insane...

You will get some pretty unbelievable performance out of two X1900s, since only one of them is actually faster than an SLI setup. Depending on your hardware configuration, of course!

Treetop64
01-28-2006, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
We have guests over today... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh! Kick dem fools out, man!! You got more important things to do than entertaining others!

ElAurens
01-28-2006, 12:02 PM
My current setup, 6800GT, 2 gigs PC3200 Mushkin ram, 3gig P4 on an Abit IC7 is able to run the game on Perfect, water = 4 online to my satisfaction. But BoB will change all of that.

After it's release we'll talk Hunter...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It's gonna be another year before we get BoB so who knows what the card makers will have by then?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ddsflyer
01-29-2006, 08:57 PM
New rig specs:
Asus A8N-32 SLI Deluxe
Athlon 64 FX57 w/ Zalman CPU9500
1.0 GB OCZ 2-3-2-5
(2) Plextor 716A
W.D. 400GB SATA H.D.
Antec Neo HD 500W P/S
Creative X-FI Extreme
Lian Li PC-V1000B case
-and-
ATI X1900 XTX 500MB card

So far with everything at max 1600x1200x32, Water=3:

Black Death 70+ FPS
Berlin Map slows to 35 FPS minimum

BTW I got the card at Mwave.com for $599 US

Total system cost, about $2750.00 No need for crossfire or SLI as far as I am concerned.

IMBigredhog
01-29-2006, 11:23 PM
Thats good dds I have a 1900 coming Tuesday, was wondering how it ran PF. Just think these drivers havent even matured yet should only get better. Im running a 7800 GTX 256 but decided against SLI.

Chivas
01-30-2006, 10:54 AM
I agree there is no need for SL1 or Crossfire now but if you have the Crossfire or SL1 motherboard it would be an easy upgrade to add the extra video card when BOB comes out. Two high end video cards should run BOB quite well.

amoreau
01-31-2006, 09:00 AM
I just recently put a system together:

AMD64 3700+ San Diego core system
1 gig RAM Dual channel
nVidia 7800 GT 256 meg
SLI ready mobo (didnt go for the 2nd vcard yet....gonna wait for the prices to come down)
Runs very nicely..........

(BTW, the mobo and vcard came as a combo for 450 canadian funds)