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BaldieJr
02-10-2006, 09:24 PM
I was reading the thread about the buildings in BoB and noticed how everyone in englandland knows of some ratty pub or brothel that was bombed during the war. Here in the states we don't have places like this. We were mostly untouched.

I wonder how our vets feel. They'd have to spend a lot of $$ in airfare if they wanted to visit a WWII "historical place". Europeans can surround themselves in war-related monuments without leaving thier own yards.

Not that its some great big deal. I'm just thinkin out loud.

gx-warspite
02-10-2006, 09:40 PM
Trust me, you're not missing out on much.

As fun as having your country destroyed by the Germans and raped by the Russians might sound, and as romantic as the sights and monuments can be, you'd rather live in boring old suburbia.

Waldo.Pepper
02-10-2006, 09:42 PM
There are WW2 site all around you if you know where to look.

I am in Vancouver. If I hop on a ferry to Vancouver Island there are locations where guns were mounted. Radar stations were erected all along the coast here and there. Whereever you are I am certain that there were training bases nearby. Maybe ever a POW camp or something.

Be grateful the place wasn't blown to bits.

My Wife's family lived through occupation in the Balkans during the war.

It's called a world war for a reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

danjama
02-10-2006, 10:03 PM
Yeah living in England is great, im not gonna lie

LoBaron
02-10-2006, 10:53 PM
dont you have some remote places attacked by german/japanese submarines (without doing much damage though)?

anyway i see no real advantage living in a country that had been totally wrecked by this war whether its austria (where i am from) or poland, russia, france, britain, italy...

i love living in vienna but cheap visits to war monuments are definitely not the reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jolly_magpie
02-10-2006, 11:40 PM
War-related stuff is all around us. A few Km away from me there is an airfield what was JAMMED with P-39's and A-20's on the way to Russia. One takeoff or landing every 90 seconds. One or two of the wartime hangars are still standing.

On the way south out of town you pass the remants of the BCATP airfields, from active airfields to abandoned ones. Also out there are the remains of huge POW camps, mostly for Germans.

So there are many evidences around us nearly everywhere you look. But of course Britain is carpeted with relics and places, if you mention "the war" there they know exactly what you were talking about.

Old_Canuck
02-11-2006, 12:11 AM
Waldo.Pepper, I live in Langley. I'd like to drive to Vancouver Island sometime but that would require driving through Vancouver to get there ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

WTE_Ibis
02-11-2006, 12:24 AM
Ships were torpedoed by midget submarines in Sydney harbour and they also shelled Newcastle.
Darwin copped many air raids.
Talkiing of things airborne down under has anybody
heard anything from the Pub lately.
ie, Hotelbushranger???
The little bugger's gone AWOL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Feathered_IV
02-11-2006, 01:09 AM
A good friend of mine was working in London for a while as a home maintenance guy. He was sent to one old place to fix up some nasty cracks in the attic appartment. While removing someones much earlier and more amatuer attempts at repair, he was somewhat suprised to find a 250kg bomb lodged in the roof timbers.

madsarmy
02-11-2006, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
Yeah living in England is great

If your rich!

LoBaron
02-11-2006, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by madsarmy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Yeah living in England is great

If your rich! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and have no interest in decent food... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Dunkelgrun
02-11-2006, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by LoBaron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by madsarmy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Yeah living in England is great

If your rich! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and have no interest in decent food... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That old chestnut. A stereotype that died many years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Cheers!

JG52Uther
02-11-2006, 03:44 AM
Hey we have great food in England!
Curry,pizza,mcdonalds,kebabs....................

LoBaron
02-11-2006, 03:46 AM
psst...tis was joke... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

SidCheshire
02-11-2006, 03:56 AM
Tiswas....now that is great iconic British television....Sally James http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
Sorry, OT.....

jasonbirder
02-11-2006, 04:00 AM
"Remember that you are an Englishman, and have therefore won first prize in the lottery of life"
Cecil Rhodes

Waldo.Pepper
02-11-2006, 04:07 AM
OLD_Canuck..

If you manage to hold your nose, to get throught Vancouver, and go to Tofino you can see an actual WW2 airplane wreck dating from 1945.

Piqued your intereste yet?

jimDG
02-11-2006, 05:05 AM
There are relative merits and drawbacks of being surrounded by war time monuments.
merits: you are less likely to have more of those in the future
drawbacks: your grandaprents might have not lived long enough to have your parents have you looking at those monuments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
02-11-2006, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Ships were torpedoed by midget submarines in Sydney harbour and they also shelled Newcastle.
Darwin copped many air raids.
Talkiing of things airborne down under has anybody
heard anything from the Pub lately.
ie, Hotelbushranger???
The little bugger's gone AWOL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nah mate I haven't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Broome was strafed on the 3rd of March 1942. List of aircraft lost:

Aircraft Destroyed at Broome Airfield
RAAF: Lockheed Hudson, Unknown
Lockheed Hudson, Unknown
USAAC: B-17E, #41-2449 or #41-2454
B-17E, #41-2449 or #41-2454
B-24A Liberator, #40-2373
NEI-AF: Lockheed Lodestar, LT9-18
NEI KLM: DC-3, PK-ALO

Flying boats sunk in Roebuck Harbour
RAAF: Empire Flying Boat, A180-10
QANTAS: Empire Flying Boat, G-AEUC
RNN-NAS:
Catalina, Y-59
Catalina, Y-60
Catalina, Y-67
Catalina, Y-70
Dornier Do-24K, X-1
Dornier Do-24K, X-3
Dornier Do-24K, X-20
Dornier Do-24K, X-23
Dornier Do-24K, X-28
USN: Catalina, # 6
Catalina, # 7
RAF: Catalina, FV-N
Catalina, FV-W

Aircraft shot down during the raid on Broome
USAAC: B-24A Liberator, #40-2370
NEI KLM: DC-3, PK-AFV


The Japanese lost one pilot, an A6M2 piloted by Chief Air Sergeant Osamu Kudo. Whilst Kudo was strafing Broome Airfield, a Dutch pilot, F/Lt Gus Winkel, had taken a 7.9mm machine gun from his aircraft, a Lodestar LT19-18 (that was destroyed), and, firing from the shoulder, hit Kudo€s aircraft. Kudo€s Zero made a wide turn, and eventually crashed in to the ocean. The body was recovered.

I have a 6 page report on it, by yours truly on it if anyones interested.

I was at an elderly retirement home on Thursday. I talked to one of the women, and she said during 'the war' they didn't have to suffer much apart from blackouts during the night. I noted she didn't say anything about rationing though, which was unusual.

Taylortony
02-11-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I was reading the thread about the buildings in BoB and noticed how everyone in englandl and knows of some ratty pub or brothel that was bombed during the war. Here in the states we don't have places like this. We were mostly untouched.

I wonder how our vets feel. They'd have to spend a lot of $$ in airfare if they wanted to visit a WWII "historical place". Europeans can surround themselves in war-related monuments without leaving thier own yards.

Not that its some great big deal. I'm just thinkin out loud.


Actually old chap this is not true, you just have to look across the lawns to that symbol of Americanism............ The White House, that is a monument to a war.

The reason the old place is indeed White is because us good old British Torched it on the way past during your War of Independance, It being constructed of Sandstone the smoke badly stained and soaked into the stone.

You therefore had to paint the old girl White to hide our little Holiday in your Country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You see History is indeed on your doorstep....ahhh the things we British do to give you some past...................... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



On a lighter note I was stationed in RAF Germany on the Dutch Border at Bruggen, the woods in which the station are built were a part of the German last defence of their borders and as such are filled with craters and pock marks, you were not allowed to go walkies in them due to a lot of ordanance still existing in it.. indeed it was a common occurance when I was stationed there (5 times in 3 years)for the sand bagging team digging on Hill 60 to unearth a Helmet, rifle and then the poor occupant of them...... In my eyes it was a good thing, because once identified if possible he could be properly interred and his family could finally have some closure on his life and a place to grieve. The whole area was strewn with reminders.

RAF Wildenrath had the remains of a German Pillbox come bunker on the Airfield and with the fear of a fighter going off the runway and into it it was decided to blow it up... they spent weeks drilling it and planting charges, on the day everyone had to open all the windows in the locality and they let rip, the bang was enormous, the smoke and debris bigger and when it settled it was still there... lol... all be it a bit more chipped, and as far as I know it still is...

RAF Gutersloh also was an ex Luftwaffe base that Herman Goering once commanded and the hangars still exist from the war, you can see the notches cut into the roof beams where charges were set to drop the roofs in incase of being over run, they failed to detonate, the field was also plumbed so it could be flooded to prevent its use by allies after the Germans retreated........

other things I remember was in the local Town of Roermond in Holland where there was a sniper in the church tower, all of the pock marks from the firefight are still in the tower and have been left that way as a reminder...

I was lucky in the area I was posted too, as Arnham was just a couple of miles away, so I visited there on several occasions, also Overloon was near.............. for those that have never heard of this place it is awesome tribute to those that served, what is stunning is the layout, where else would you see this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Panther_g_axb01.jpg


More info and pics

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Overloon_War_Museum
http://www.ww2sites.com/index.php?action=jump&page=nloverloon

Feathered_IV
02-11-2006, 05:48 AM
IfI remember correctly, that KLM DC3 was chockers with diamonds that were never recovered from the wreck.

GreyBeast
02-11-2006, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
...Here in the states we don't have places like this. We were mostly untouched...


Hey Baldie,

you've got Pearl Harbor and Ground Zero over there. But I agree, they're both not what they seem...

HotelBushranger
02-11-2006, 06:01 AM
IfI remember correctly, that KLM DC3 was chockers with diamonds that were never recovered from the wreck.

Spot on. The pilot was handed them just before the flight, without being told what they were. When everyone was floating in the water after getting shot down, and he saw the container float past, he let it be. Later on, a fisherman found either some or all of the diamonds. He was eventually arrested. Out of a reported 200,000 pound (circa 1940's), only 40,000 has ever been found. Sorry I couldn't get rock hard facts, but that was just off the top of my head.

Makes you wanna go fishing in Broome ey http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

CD_kp84yb
02-11-2006, 06:34 AM
I know that Panther, it was a wreck, looks like it drove over a antitank mine, Bottom was gon ,inside a mess of bend steel, the leftovers of the bottom were bend upwards, yup when you are a kid you crawl under these things.This was in the seventy's
I have seen better panthers in germany (wrong engine,diesel) and France (correct engine) and driveable.
I also remember at Overloon a V1 and a litle sub. you crawl in side the sub and played with other kids, man lots of rust hahahaha.
I remember that sub hat a lenght of around 10 meters.

Edit: I dont know if the panther is still there, there was a discission a few years back if they should remove the German weaponry over there, i dont know the results of that discussion.

jds1978
02-11-2006, 07:04 AM
Trust me, you're not missing out on much.

As fun as having your country destroyed by the Germans and raped by the Russians might sound, and as romantic as the sights and monuments can be, you'd rather live in boring old suburbia.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif...so true

Chuck_Older
02-11-2006, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I was reading the thread about the buildings in BoB and noticed how everyone in englandland knows of some ratty pub or brothel that was bombed during the war. Here in the states we don't have places like this. We were mostly untouched.

I wonder how our vets feel. They'd have to spend a lot of $$ in airfare if they wanted to visit a WWII "historical place". Europeans can surround themselves in war-related monuments without leaving thier own yards.

Not that its some great big deal. I'm just thinkin out loud.

My Dad was standing on the dunes at Cape Cod one evening with his Dad in '40 or '41, I forget which, I'd have to ask. He would have been either 4 or 5 at the time. Cape Cod looks out East, forming the extreme East edge of Massachusetts, it's the part that curls out into the ocean like an arm. He remembers seeing light against the darkening sky, and smoke, and he asked his Dad what it was. My Grand-dad was an air-raid warden during the war. Turns out a U-boat had torpedoed a tanker off the Cape

Similar stories are told by folks along the coast all the way down past Virginia and to Texas

The Japanese attacked a few places...like Hawaii of course, and the Aluetian Islands. They also used exlosive laden baloons to attack the US, killing a family out camping if I recall, and starting some remote forest fires

But you don't have to catch a plane to Oahu to see some WWII history

In October 2004, my cousin got married in Long Island, new York State.

The ferry I took to get there?

Oh yeah, it was an LST that landed on the friggin beaches at Normandy, on June 6th, 1944- several times.

This stuff is all around, and some of it like the ferry is still very much alive.

snafu73
02-11-2006, 07:28 AM
Around 500 yards from where I live (Midlands England) there's an old POW camp that housed mainly Italians. Briefly, after the war it was turned into a chicken farm, but since then apart from a donkey grazing on the premises it's remained completely untouched and still remains.

After the war a certain Mr. Mazza decided to stay in England and opened an ice cream business - it was the finest ice cream in the world, sadly the business is closed down now, dont know what became of Mr. Mazza.

Taylortony
02-11-2006, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
I know that Panther, it was a wreck, looks like it drove over a antitank mine, Bottom was gon ,inside a mess of bend steel, the leftovers of the bottom were bend upwards, yup when you are a kid you crawl under these things.This was in the seventy's
I have seen better panthers in germany (wrong engine,diesel) and France (correct engine) and driveable.
I also remember at Overloon a V1 and a litle sub. you crawl in side the sub and played with other kids, man lots of rust hahahaha.
I remember that sub hat a lenght of around 10 meters.

Edit: I dont know if the panther is still there, there was a discission a few years back if they should remove the German weaponry over there, i dont know the results of that discussion.

Yes the panther has been restored see
http://www.chrisevansbooks.com/overloon.htm

Taylortony
02-11-2006, 09:10 AM
The Bees Knees of all sites relating to this stuff and one you will all find fasinating is

http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/

Imagine finding this in your local scap yard here

http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/img77.jpg

or this in your field

http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/page78.html

http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/page120.html

CD_kp84yb
02-11-2006, 10:06 AM
Hey tony,

Thats not the panther i saw at the museum, it had no bottom , we crawl under it and could look inside the tank, the damage i remember was when you stood in front of the tank the right track was damage (lol in driving direction).hmmmm now i knows why pilots memory's dont count http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Well not important anyway.
In years i have seen so much tanks in museums and hard targets at shootingranges, you mix things up.

Hmmm I also remember the special tanks at that museum, like the bridge carrying tank and a minesweeper.

It could be a different museum in the netherlands, cos the damage i remember could never been done by a PIAT.


That rusty panther in the second Photo at the "scrapeyard" is in France, you also find some STUG 3 over there.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/cd_kp84yb/frankreich_stug.jpg


Lol a kingtiger dug out the ground ( whats left of it)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/cd_kp84yb/bodenfund_koenigstiger_2.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/cd_kp84yb/bodenfund_koenigstiger_1.jpg

cheers

jds1978
02-11-2006, 10:12 AM
Don't forget USS Texas!

Enforcer572005
02-11-2006, 01:33 PM
Go to pensecola Fla. in the us, home of naval aviation and a bunch of bases nearby. Ive got photos (which im trying to find and scan) of some of the facilities around there from every war back to the war of 1812 when our Brit cousins (cough) taught us the first of many lessons of military neglect (wish they would come back and work over the Ga state legislature like they did the white house).

Ive some shots of a 6 in disapearing gun in its revetment thats been restored, so old that it was the only one that wasnt scraped during ww2, and some 6 in guns in turrets, yup rotating turrets, facing out to sea.

and at Egland AFB (i think) the runway that was used by Dootlittles raiders to train for the hornet still has the outline of the carrier deck they painted on it (a few yrs ago it did).

ANd the Arizona still bleeds oil on battleship row...a fair amount of it.

major_setback
02-11-2006, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I was reading the thread about the buildings in BoB and noticed how everyone in englandland knows of some ratty pub or brothel that was bombed during the war.



We prefer it you just call it plain old England. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No offence intended. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bo_Nidle
02-11-2006, 06:01 PM
It is nice in the UK to have all these wartime places to visit.Then you consider what it took to give us these places and you realise it was a bloody high price.

The East End of London for example,is virtually new due to the Blitz.

I served in the RAF Police in the early 80's and at RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire,which was a large Lancaster base during WW2, it was not uncommon to dig in the dirt and come up with numerous .303 rounds that were used in the Lancs defensive armament.I recall that when they were digging the foundations for the large Nimrod simulator building around 1982 we had to seal the area off because they found unexploded Luftwaffe ordnance.

At RAF Honnington in Suffolk,which was home to the 364thFg (P-38's and P-51's) there is still a wing missing off an accomodation block courtesy of the Luftwaffe and in a farmers field adjacent to the base perimeter there is a large bomb crater still very much in evidence.

All very interesting but it does make you stop and think occasionally.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-11-2006, 06:24 PM
This place is not far from me
http://www.isleofpurbeck.com/tyneham.html

In 1943, the residents of a pretty coastal village in Dorset received this letter:-

'In order to give our troops the fullest opportunity to perfect their
training in the use of modern weapons of war, the Army must have an area
of land particularly suited to their special needs and in which they can
use live shells. For this reason you will realise the chosen area must
be cleared of all civilians.

The most careful search has been made to find an area suitable for the
army's purpose and which, at the same time, will involve the smallest
number of persons and property. The area decided on, after the most
careful study and consultation between all the Government Authorities
concerned, lies roughly inside of the square formed by EAST LULWORTH-
EAST STOKE-EAST HOLME-KIMMERIDGE BAY.


Then handwritten: including your properties - see overleaf

It is regretted that, in the National Interest, it is necessary to move
you from your homes, and everything possible will be done to help you,
both by payment of compensation, and by finding other accommodation for
you if you are unable to do so yourself.

The date on which the military will take over this area is the 19th
December next, and all civilians must be out of the area by that date.

A special office will be opened at Westport House, WAREHAM, on
Wednesday 17th November, and you will be able to get advice between
the hours of 10am and 7pm, from there on your personal problems and
difficulties. Any letters should be sent to that address also for
the present.

The Government appreciate that this is no small sacrifice which you
are asked to make, but they are sure that you will give this further
help towards winning the war with a good heart.


C.H.MILLER
Major-General i/c Administration
Southern Command'


The following message was pinned to the door of the church by a departing local:-

'Please treat the church and houses with care; we have given up our homes where many of us lived for generations to help win the war to keep men free. We shall return one day and thank you for treating the village kindly.'

The villagers were never to return.

The ruined village is now located on part of an Army gunnery range and is a popular spot with walkers at weekends if the range is open to the public.

AVG_WarHawk
02-11-2006, 06:45 PM
Not far north of me across the border into Oregon the first and maybe only WWII bomb attacks occured on mainland soil.

"On 9 September 1942 the first aerial bombing of mainland America by a foreign power occurred when an attempt to start a forest fire was made by a Japanese Yokosuka E14Y1 seaplane dropping 170lb incendiary bombs over Mount Emily, near Brookings, Oregon. The seaplane, piloted by Nobuo Fujita, had been launched from the Japanese submarine aircraft carrier I-25. No significant damage was reported following the attack, nor following a repeat attempt made three weeks later on 29 September."

The problem was, it was the rainy season http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif In later years Brookings, Oregon invited the pilot to thier Memorial day celebrations and later after his death his son was invited.

http://www.currypilot.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=2108

Viper2005_
02-11-2006, 07:36 PM
The airfield from which I glide in the summer was a Halifax station. Sometimes the BBMF fly by on their way to an airshow...

One of the guys I glide with did a couple of tours in Lancasters during the war. He went solo in Tiger Moths in 1943 and then (due to an excess of pilots) was remustered as a tail gunner. He's still flying after 63 years!

The airfield from which I am training for my PPL was an RAF training base. Most of it has been turned into an industrial estate; we fly from what used to be the peri track.

Silverstone racetrack is the (somewhat modified) peri track of a WWII RAF station.

One of my grandfathers walked the length of Italy with the Royal Engineers; he doesn't talk about it. The other, who has now passed away, served on (perhaps in is more appropriate) HMS Illustrious below the waterline. In fact I think he was right underneath a kamikaze attack.

AFAIK I only exist because Illustrious had an armoured flight deck. Which gives me pause for thought from time to time...

My school had its own war memorials; almost the entire 6th form was wiped out in each world war.

Wandering around my university there is still at least one (somewhat faded) sign directing you to the nearest ARP shelter. It's painted straight onto the brickwork of one of the buildings. Doubtless the shelter is still there, hidden away somewhere at the other end of that sign...

WWII history is everywhere; most of the time most people don't notice, but things as major as World Wars echo on down the ages for a very very long time...

Stafroty
02-12-2006, 02:42 AM
what do we really do with those symbols of madness and greedness? Russians were ***kers, Germans were ***kers, Americans were ***kers, i am ***ker of course, so are you, i want something, you want somethin , i give you fist in left eye, you give me knee on right ball. i thank you for making my life more rich and you thank me. what we gain, nothing and thats what really pisses us off till our countries are full of graves of great heroes of wars who defended someone else rights than their owns, as they died on doing it. much ot the people really didnt have so much to lose that it would have been worth to give life for it, but we are so on money, boy we are. WE see everything in value of somekind. We are teached in schools that OUR country is the best and neightbors are stupid ***kers, and here we go, you ***kers. come and get some. we got some http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif we stupid ***kers i *** you till you *** me. i *** me till you *** you.

you is right and so am i. but we believe differently, My god isnt your god, our god saves only our ****, we know, we readed, we see the book and words, without understanding really the message, cos it cannot be complicated like metaphor, its pure and straight truth even if we dont understand. our religions isnt for makin life better, we gotta beg for forgiveness, even if we never made any sin, otherwise god could not forgive us. we hate you and your "god" cos its not truth, like mine is. you stupid ***, i liberate you now, cos you dont know how you should live, we know. i help, you die. i give grace, you take this damn grace, i know it suits you well. dang, why your friends got mad at me, i only tried to do good you ***kers! no way u make that Abomb, as it would cost ur dearly (we dont care about that, really, but we care only about public opinion about us as we think about elections, gotta lick **** and and affect on public opinions, 50% is enought, says democrats, for some they need less to be model country, just for teaching and spreadin own happy way of afraiding things that they and we dont understand.

you talk zit about my country, no matter, its one from 5 million who thinks like that, still your country is zit and deserve Abombs, stupid ***kers.

why you hate me, all i wanted was good world, just how i want it, cant you understand me that im selfish and cant understand it?
i kil u ***ker, i *** ur ded body and *** u some more till u heat up for me.

sun will explode, gotta waste every resource we got on this plane just for me, cant you understand that i am consumer, its my work! dont tell me what i should do, i been told that this i should do, by other, that cant be wrong, i know the things, i am best.
u stupid dont believe, but i dont care, ur life is nuthing compared to ours, we ear more than yours, we we we, me me me!
Glory glory glory. God is for us, we are not for god. i read and reveal the bible the best way it serves me, not everything is true, it would for sure make my life lousy, as money is bad bad.

satan controls me, satan made me do that, it wasnt me, it was satan, for sure, not my own need, i dunno where it came, it must be satan, i hide behind his back when i do something bad, he protects me. he is my friend but this you dont tell anyone, or people would think im bad, i gotta think what i look for others, my image about myself is clean, even if i betray myself the most. no one notices, but im wise enought to notice others doing the same, stupid ***kers acan thide their acts. i can, this is what i believe, it hurts my emotions if i would know that they would know what i really am, better for me to believe the different. i dont know what love is, is it money, oh yea it is, i have girlfriend, many of them, one is human, i own her, she is mine, no one should look at her or talk to her, shes mine. i afraid that she betrays me, but i do it too, as she is such a ****, i still love here, cant you see, i need caring, owning of her, i cant let her go even if we both suffer. you ***, i kill u bits. why you are like me without myself to admit to myself, blame is on you. did i mention that i have many other girs too, one is quite big caliber, 12,7mm, other is sweet but accurate .22. i love them, i always get high when i remember i have them, for some time, but dang i get used to them, they dont anymore make me happy, i need new ones like i need new car and everything, dont tell me what makes me happy, i know it, im always happy after i buy this, then this, maybe this and that. i got my house full of ****, what i do with it, i cant understand that im not happy with all this ****, but lord its hard to give it away. ITS mine. i live forever, didnt you know? yea, all i get in this life in materia, will follow me after the death, and boy i afraid dead, more than anything, i cant even live my life happily, i escape that in dreams. i still dot understand nothing, but this too, is too much even for myself. so i dont tell it to myself. what is that neightbor lookin at window at me , i see him clearly with my binoculars, damn spy dont have own life, wonder what he does now.



Good morning, hell

Waldo.Pepper
02-12-2006, 06:34 AM
fook me?!

ploughman
02-12-2006, 06:49 AM
I read my town's war diary once, well bits of it anyway. It's a bit surreal really, very Apocalypse now. Like a He-111 flying along with a three Spit escort, or an oak tree that was the only casualty of a 1,000 lb bomb although is did rather theatrically land in bits on a school roof. An American Colonel spent all day trying to return someone's wallet he'd found in a pub(presumably as bomb damaged as the brothel upstairs), which for some reason was deemed worthy of inclusion. The saddest bits are the pathetic remains of the 1940 defences, the GHQ line that was suppossed to contain any German advance from the coast and consisted of some very limp emplacements indeed like the anti tank obstacles that line the edge of the railway where it crosses the river, the silly little chain of bunkers along the canal, that sort of thing.

Trowbridge got bombed a bit too, but I think that was the Canadians.

PS. Baldie, if you lived in Northern Virgina you'd be knee deep in battle fields and stuff. Bull Run, the Shenandoah Valley, Little Big Horn, Molassas, 3rd Ypre and all that.

joeap
02-12-2006, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Stafroty:
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Good morning, hell

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CUJO_1970
02-12-2006, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I wonder how our vets feel.


Most of us can sit on the beach and be comforted by the sound of the tide coming in.

My Grandaddy can't.

He was in the 24th infantry US Army in the Pacific. The sound of the ocean reminds him of the war. Killing and watching his friends die.

He didn't want his medals after the war and didn't want anything else to do with it, just to go back home get married and start a family like any other kid back then.

Today I'm the only person he will talk in detail with about the war. Sometimes he talks about it with tears in his eyes, sometimes he laughs.

I'm glad he made it out. So many didn't.

Chuck_Older
02-12-2006, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:

PS. Baldie, if you lived in Northern Virgina you'd be knee deep in battle fields and stuff. Bull Run, the Shenandoah Valley, Little Big Horn, Molassas , 3rd Ypre and all that.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif "Manassas" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ever see the movie, "Glory"? The actual place that regiment really trained, Readville, is a place I drive past twice a day, to get to and from work. It's a train station, even today. Nothing like it was in the 1860's though.

Stafroty
02-15-2006, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stafroty:
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Good morning, hell

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was that all you readed?

joeap
02-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Stafroty:
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Good morning, hell

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was that all you readed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

Stafroty
02-15-2006, 11:13 AM
Joeap, me crazy, you Jane?

ploughman
02-15-2006, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:

PS. Baldie, if you lived in Northern Virgina you'd be knee deep in battle fields and stuff. Bull Run, the Shenandoah Valley, Little Big Horn, Molassas , 3rd Ypre and all that.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif "Manassas" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ever see the movie, "Glory"? The actual place that regiment really trained, Readville, is a place I drive past twice a day, to get to and from work. It's a train station, even today. Nothing like it was in the 1860's though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I wondered if I'd get away with that, nice to know someone's one their toes. Additionally, Little Big Horn's in the Dakotas and 3rd Ypre was fought in Flanders and is more commonly known as Passchendaele. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Anyway, enough of me being a smart ****.

I lived in Savannah for a while, that's got alot of military history too, from the before the War of Independence through the Civil War, spared by Sherman, and on to the present day as the home of Hunter Army Air Field and Fort Stewart, and a major embarkation point for equipment for both Gulf Wars.

LUFT11_Hoflich
02-15-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I was reading the thread about the buildings in BoB and noticed how everyone in englandland knows of some ratty pub or brothel that was bombed during the war. Here in the states we don't have places like this. We were mostly untouched.

I wonder how our vets feel. They'd have to spend a lot of $$ in airfare if they wanted to visit a WWII "historical place". Europeans can surround themselves in war-related monuments without leaving thier own yards.

Not that its some great big deal. I'm just thinkin out loud.

Hey man...
You have lots (not for very long) of history, just go to yer Granpa's, or someone old enough to have been involved in the conflict in one way or another, now.. those are priceless because won't be around as long as metal or concrete monuments of history, let's thank them while they are still with us for what they endured...

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