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Tallyho1961
06-20-2005, 12:28 PM
Online last night, I bailed out after being shot up by a bandit. Before I had a chance to hit the escape and refly button, I realized my adversary intended to open fire on me in my chute. I figured I would stick around to see what the effect of this would be.

I could see tracer streaking past and I guess my pilot was hit because he jerked around a little, but then the attacking aircraft rammed the chute and knocked its wing off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I then had the pleasure of seeing him go spinning into the ground while I lit up a smoke and continued to drfit lazily to earth.

OK, the smoke part is embellishment - the rest actually happened.

murewa
06-20-2005, 12:34 PM
it's called KARMA http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , that'll teach him for shooting at a parachute

Bearcat99
06-20-2005, 02:44 PM
Can you imagine the effect of a line with a 112-200 lb man at the end of it on the aluminum wing of an aircraft doing 175+ MPH?

Tallyho1961
06-20-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Can you imagine the effect of a line with a 112-200 lb man at the end of it on the aliminum wing of an aircraft doing 175+ MPH?

I guess I can now.

FI-Aflak
06-20-2005, 04:31 PM
hahaha, on some "jusf for fun servers" you used to see people taking the Me-323 up and creating "aireal minefeilds" by dropping dozens of parachuters in the approach and exit paths of the enemy airfeild. It was always a hoot to see enemy planes finding themselves stuck in a cloud of parachutes trying to find a safe way out. Made for some interesting fights, too, as you could run into a cloud and hope the guy shooting at you isn't fool enough to follow.

Good times, good times.

Freelancer-1
06-20-2005, 07:30 PM
You'd think out of the entire sky, the chance of running into a parachute would be near zero. I'm living proof that that is wrong. It's happened to me a few times. All of a sudden it's right there in front of me.

As close as I can figure, it's because it's not plane shaped it just dosen't register that it's an air object until I'm almost on top of it.

But yeah, it hoses my plane every time. Must pay more attention.

Almost forgot, blimps. I've run into those a few times too. Same reason I guess.

Freelancer

ClnlSandersLite
06-20-2005, 07:41 PM
I'd think that IRL it'd cut the lines and just dent the wing. I've seen photos of mid air collisions between skydivers and planes, it always just cuts the person apart. That's with civillian planes, not planes designed for combat.

HoldSteady641
06-21-2005, 02:20 AM
Indeed, if you fly behind bombers (not unusual in war), the ones that stop having the capability to maintain controlled flight tend to shed humans and parachutes. Now, as these parachuted humans tend to have a lower airspeed themselves than theirs or your plane, the cance of colliding is even greater than normal.

I accidentally did just that once. I cut one or two lines, or perhaps scrtched a hole in it or just send it into a parachute-ish spin, becaus it imploded and tumbled ruffling to the ground. My wing wasn't even dented.
Say, the one that last the wing, wasn't that a zero? They've got an airframe of ricepaper..

ClnlSandersLite
06-21-2005, 03:03 AM
HoldSteady641:

The airframe has nothing to do with it. You just lucked out. I've collided with parachutes in many different airframes and the result is almost always a ripped off wing. Doesn't matter if it's a jug, lightning, Dora, etc.

HoldSteady641
06-21-2005, 06:44 AM
ClnlSandersLite:

Just me and my own private running gag that a zero is made of only fuel tanks and rice paper, from the way they flame like a torch when hit with anything denser than a water cloud.. But thanks for the info.

Skinwehr
06-21-2005, 07:38 AM
I believe that a parachute IRL would mean disaster for an airframe. The parachute, plus the counterweight (Man) would be placing a sudden and abrupt strain in the order of thousands of pounds per square inch on the wing which was not meant to support it.

Without any raw data to back this up at the moment I have only a similar RL story to back this up.

Do you know those Mylar space blankets that fold up into the size of a deck of cards? A friend of mine had one of those in his small, single engine plane and it had somehow ended up on the back seat unfurled. Suddenly, in midair, it got sucked out of the window and wrapped itself around the stabilizer and elevator. It only managed to stay there a short while, but it did damage to the elevator and caused a decrease in elevator authority.

Now that was a little 5 foot plastic bag which was not made to drag air. I can imagine that a chute and a man could cripple even an armored fighter.

LEBillfish
06-21-2005, 09:20 AM
An actual account from the 80th Head Hunters, 5th Air Army, Papua New Guinea vs. the 78th Hikosentai, 14th Hikodan, 6th Hikoshidan, 4th Kokugun.....Exerpt taken from the webpages Here (http://www.mindspring.com/~jaybirdone/headhunters/index.htm) and property of the author.


At the same time, Cragg was encountering a formation of 78th Sentai Tonys led by Major Takatsuki. The Tonys dived directly on the American escort, but Cragg was quick enough to draw a bead on Takatsuki and fire a burst from about 200 yards. The lead was off, however, and Cragg's fire arced behind his target.

Takatsuki tried to loop his Tony as tightly as possible to get back on Cragg's tail, reaching the top of the maneuver when the second flight of P-38s came into range. Either Lieutenant Bert Reed or Lieutenant Delbert Furgason fired a shot at the Tony, which was hanging almost motionless for the moment. Strange as the coincidence seems, Takatsuki jettisoned his canopy and tumbled out of the cockpit just as Cragg was turning his P-38 directly below.

While the Japanese parachute was deploying, Cragg was unable to avoid hitting it and ripped it to shreds with his right propeller. Horrified, he watched the body of the Japanese pilot tumble thousands of feet into the misty jungle below. Somewhat shaken but still in control, Cragg looked around to keep in touch with the air battle now raging. A section of the doomed pilot's parachute was still wrapped around the P-38's right wing as a macabre reminder of the incident....................
.............................Cragg flew directly to Port Moresby, where the ground crews wondered at the shredded Japanese parachute fluttering from the wing of his P-38, marked on the nose with Porky II in yellow letters. Cragg would be bothered by the memory of the horrific incident for the rest of his short life.

HoldSteady641
06-21-2005, 09:30 AM
Sad story.. But I wonder, I think you're better off plummeting to death on new Guinea than actually landing alive. If the Cannibals don't eat you the jungle makes your body rot away alive..

ClnlSandersLite
06-21-2005, 09:02 PM
On aircraft durability vs collisions:

"One personal experience enabled Hoelle to describe the durability of the aircraft. Hoelle was strafing trucks and tanks, and in the process, he collided with a telephone pole. Hoelle was still in the air and had to engage full rudder and ailerons just to maintain level flight. Deploying full flaps allowed for better control, and enabled him to gain altitude. The rest of his flight flew as escort, and managed to fly 360 miles to get home safely."

I also read some place else that it literally cut the telephone pole in half.

picture:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/ColonelSandersLite/p38damage1.bmp


Is there STILL any question as to what a military aircraft would do to a parachute?

wickedpenguin
06-21-2005, 10:14 PM
I'm sure everybody here knows the story of the Israeli F-15 that collided with an A-4 Skyhawk during a training exercise. The right wing was torn off and the guy still made it back to base!

http://www.stormpages.com/skythe/images/f15_wing.jpg


A simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the
skies of the Negev. The F-15D (#957, nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for
the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in
"Pressure suit": At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw
the big fireball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk. The radio started to deliver calls saying
that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fire ball was the Skyhawk, that
exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically. There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of the wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I re-connected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control of the aircraft until I was straight and
level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject.

When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!". No warning light was on and the
navigation computer worked as usual; (I just needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I
missed a wing...)" The instructor ordered me to eject. The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel
indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other
tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have
enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land. I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and
didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside.
I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a
spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the
afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again. Next thing I did was lower the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and
called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage
because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net. I turned back to
shake the hand of my instructor, who urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no
wing !!!

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for information about
possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as
confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo.... After two months the same
F-15 got a new wing and returned to action.

AerialTarget
06-22-2005, 12:08 AM
On the other hand, a P-51 can hit a powerline and lose the wing. A man who went to my church, who gave me a ride in a T-6 Texan when I was very little, died that way.

Pirschjaeger
06-22-2005, 03:52 AM
Ouch! I was just imagining getting hit by a Russian plane while drifting peacefully(at least it started that way)to the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I hate getting splinters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Fritz

HoldSteady641
06-22-2005, 05:21 AM
Ever had it that en route to the battlefield your flight leader begins screaming to two guys to return home? This game is so good that Formation flying isn't allways done with AI quality