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06-29-2005, 07:50 AM

here is a link for all of you that could be interested in the experiences and anecdotes of a HA-1112 Buch³n (spanish built Me-109) pilot that took part as stuntman in "The Battle of Britain" movie. During a conference, he relates things like how they were recruited, where the airplanes came from or even how he met the real WWII aces; and everything is complemented with photographs from behind the scenes.

I think it's an interesting reading for everybody, and even more with the upcoming BoB from C1. Enjoy!




EDIT: link corrected to point to Project SCW new domain http://scw.aviadoresvirtuales.org

06-29-2005, 09:43 AM

06-29-2005, 09:55 AM
Nice reading... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-29-2005, 10:47 AM
That's an interesting read. Especially to see how the availability of these planes has become so much less even since the late 60's. I met and chatted with Johnny Rutherford (of Indy-car fame) back in the late 70's and asked him about his personal P-51 that he had just landed at our central florida airfield and he said i could buy one right then for about $100,000! What a difference 20 years makes. Now I can get one for a scant cool million.


06-29-2005, 11:39 AM
available on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559117916&category=63678)


a little jet even (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3258&item=7525657425&rd=1)


06-29-2005, 12:23 PM
Oh, man! I want that Cat.

06-29-2005, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the link.
When I watched 'the making of the BoB', and saw the different shots of the airfield attack at the start, using different camera angles etc, you could see even better on just how much he was tearing the **** out of it!
That was LOW!!
The camera crew that was filming head on had to lay flat on the deck or they reckoned he would have took their heads off!

06-29-2005, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
Oh, man! I want that Cat.

Yeah, it's a nice bird! Too bad it hasn't flown since 1983, that's 22 years. It would require a complete overhaul, all the hoses and rubber replaced, engines overhauled and tuned up. Add another 50.000-100.000 dollars for this job.

06-29-2005, 04:55 PM
Another interesting note is the B-25 used for filming the scenes is the same plane used for filming the scenes in the movie "The Final Countdown". In the behind the scenes for that movie, the navy pilots talk about a cameraman sticking his foot out the rear of the b24 and the f14 touching his foot with the refueling arm, giving him a hell of a static shock.

06-29-2005, 09:34 PM
taht was great....the scene he was in on the first scene is pretty impressive.

only a few buchons survive. the confederate AF bought 7 of the buchons and a couple of spits, and 2 he 111. the last surviving 111 of the CAF crashed fatally a couple of yrs ago, losing an engine on landing approach. I photographed the last buchon they had, in marseilles markings, parked at harlingen in 89. they sold it soon after, as most of them had been lost in accidents and were prone to gear collapse and landing accidents, which is why none fly too long these days.

the air force museum in dayton ohio has one of each, the buchon has a 109G nose now and the he111 was in the annex when i was last there in 91.

One of hte spit mk9s (fixed up with a 3 bladed prop and with the cannnon barrels removed in the movie) was a common site at CAF airshows, and i photographed it many times. it still had the bob paint scheme and was usually flown by howard pardue. it was destroyed about a decade ago in a hangar fire in canada that also destroyed a hurricane and a TBM. the canadian lancaster was saved by the firemen who pushed it out of the burning hangar.

most of the spits in the movie were mk9s with appropriate conversions. some were later griffin engine spits with a fake fuselage spine added. in the movie, you can seee their long noses sometimes in the massive dogfight scenes.

i remember seeing a small feature they showed after movies sometimes on one network, aobut the making of the movie. i wish htat were still availible. ive got the cd with all the original music. love that movie. the story of its filming is almost as interesting as the BOB itself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

06-29-2005, 11:35 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Tizona... Fantistic story!
The information about the different aircraft that Carlos was able to fly is Excellent.
Thank's for the Posting.

06-29-2005, 11:49 PM
What woofiedog said.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

06-30-2005, 08:59 AM
Made me think of a picture from a Flypast magazine...it's from 1988.


06-30-2005, 10:19 AM
while it maybe ugly as hell and a soar eye to 109 fans the postwar buchon was lighter and performed better then the heavier g6 and later models in manueverability.

It was pretty close to the 109f2 4 manuverability but with the power of a merlin.

07-01-2005, 09:25 AM
It's nice to see that you've enjoyed the article. We, at SCW Project, have interviewed several other pilots, mostly from Spanish Civil War. By now those interviews are only in Spanish, but they will be soon translated to English. For all of you that could be interested I'll keep you informed.



07-02-2005, 02:26 AM
Found another picture.....


07-02-2005, 04:14 AM
Excellent read,thanks for the link

07-02-2005, 05:12 AM
wery nice reading thanx http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

07-04-2005, 11:58 AM
Found another picture....taken during filming of "Piece of Cake".
Three names on top of the photo...wasn't Eichhorn a german wwoII pilot?


07-04-2005, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
while it maybe ugly as hell and a soar eye to 109 fans the postwar buchon was lighter and performed better then the heavier g6 and later models in manueverability.

It was pretty close to the 109f2 4 manuverability but with the power of a merlin.

Interesting, cause the Buchon was a licencebuild 109 G2, so Willy M. was able to redesign a G2 to the weight of an F2/F4? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And this with an Merlin engine that weight as much as a DB605?
There are versions of the Buchon that are much lighter than a G2 but they were powered by different engines, with much lower performance!
But they weren´t the main production variants.
The Buchon wasn´t as heavy as a G6 but also no F2...
The Merlin of the Buchon was a single stage, two speed compressor engine, similar to SpitV.

07-14-2005, 10:08 AM
FYI, Project SCW has migrated its domain to http://scw.aviadoresvirtuales.org

I've edited up there the link to Garc*a-Bermºdez conference, if any of you has posted this link in any other place, please, correct it with the new address.

Thank you.



07-18-2005, 01:35 PM
A great read; thanks a lot.

Do I really understand him to be saying that some guys tried tying a tournique around thier own necks as some kind of primitive G-suit?!?:

"€œOther trickery, that I didn€t use, but I know who did it, was to tie a scarf to the neck, to do oneself a turnstile with a stick or something, and start to pull up to 8G. The other was unable to continue.€ By this way he could delay the symptoms of the black veil."

07-18-2005, 05:58 PM
I wonder if "the making of the battle of britain" is still availible? Id love to have that one....i just got a used copy of the vhs tape of the movie from ebay.

07-19-2005, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Tizona:
We, at SCW Project, have interviewed several other pilots, mostly from Spanish Civil War. By now those interviews are only in Spanish, but they will be soon translated to English. For all of you that could be interested I'll keep you informed.

Tizona, excellent.
I would be thankful if you could let me know by email when they're in English, I smell some chance of cooperation and mutual interests in here. See what we're doing here in Finland on same idea by clicking on the link on my sig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My email is jkauppin@jmp.fi.

07-29-2005, 08:19 AM
Hi guys, sorry for not coming back before..

@ Grendel-B: nice and very interesting websites, I'll need lots of time to dive between so much info http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think Tuckie has already contacted you. He's in fact the project leader, I'm only a simple (and not too good) translator. I hope you both find a way to collaborate.

Respecting the interviews, I'm in the middle of the translation of a SCW SB-2 Katiuska pilot. I hope to be publishing a first part in a week or so. I'll keep you all informed.

@ DmdSeeker: yes, you have understood right, some of them were crazy enought to try those experiments.

08-04-2005, 04:37 AM
As promised, here's the link to the translated interview to Gregorio Gutierrez "Guti", a Tupolev SB-2 Katiuska republican pilot who took part in the SCW, where he narrates their training at Kirovabad (Russia), as well as several handling procedures of the SB-2.


I hope you find it interesting.



08-05-2005, 01:08 PM
Tizona... Excellent interview and quite the story.
Thank's for the posting