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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:19 AM
"I shot an arrow into the air;

It fell to earth, I knew not where:

For, so swiftly it flew, the sight

Could not follow it in its flight.


I breathed a song into the air;

It fell to earth, I knew not where:

For who has sight so keen and strong,

That it can follow the flight of song?


Long, long afterward, in an oak

I found the arrow, still unbroke;

And the song, from beginning to end,

I found again in the heart of a friend."

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


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<center>http://www.churchofthegrey.com/coolferret/hal9000/hal2.jpg <marquee>Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before and it has always been due to human error.</marquee></center>


Message Edited on 06/30/0302:20AM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:19 AM
"I shot an arrow into the air;

It fell to earth, I knew not where:

For, so swiftly it flew, the sight

Could not follow it in its flight.


I breathed a song into the air;

It fell to earth, I knew not where:

For who has sight so keen and strong,

That it can follow the flight of song?


Long, long afterward, in an oak

I found the arrow, still unbroke;

And the song, from beginning to end,

I found again in the heart of a friend."

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


http://members.rogers.com/teemaz/err.jpg


<center>http://www.churchofthegrey.com/coolferret/hal9000/hal2.jpg <marquee>Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before and it has always been due to human error.</marquee></center>


Message Edited on 06/30/0302:20AM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:24 AM
we all knew since day 1 of fb sold as a alpha version http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:28 AM
Track please.




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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:33 AM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Track please.
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http://members.rogers.com/InvinciChaika.zip

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:34 AM
Try it your self Dave in the FB QMB

"this was AI shooting, two of them, BF110's, taking turns. Given the AI's accuracy it's hard to believe it took them almost a minute of continuous hosing to bring this one chaika down."

http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=001677


<center>http://www.churchofthegrey.com/coolferret/hal9000/hal2.jpg <marquee>Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before and it has always been due to human error.</marquee></center>


Message Edited on 06/30/0302:36AM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:38 AM
weaponry used to model the mg's.



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 04:36 AM
Jetbuff wrote:
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- BaldieJr wrote:
-- Track please.
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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:33 PM
My mistake there Baldie, try this:

http://members.rogers.com/teemaz/InvinciChaika.zip



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:25 PM
Its not a modelling problem, its a bug.

The pilot takes one to the skull, but the hit does not register, so the plane just lazily glides on without any notification of the pilots death. You can see that the ai STOPPED flying the plane after he gets hit in the head. After that, almost none of the hits were registered, and then suddenly it seems like the game realizes that its' behind in its calculations and destroys the plane.

The other planes didn't show the same behavior. They went down fast. So, i'd have to say its a bug. Some calculation is getting hung for a few minutes, and then suddenly returns to normal.

I have had plenty of VERY red screens, but I've seen this in other planes too. It could be that the code that handles pilot hit-detection is choking and all damage after taken after a pilot hit is disregarded untill the hiccup gets sorted.

Thoughts?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:23 PM
It's a bug, but not as you describe. Pilot takes several "skull" hits but apparently the armour stops the bullets. He's not maneouvering because possibly the controls were shot out. To confirm that the pilot is alive watch his head continue to actively track the opposing aircraft.

There is indeed a bug. It's a DM bug, one that is well documented too. Read here for the original thread:
http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=001677

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:25 PM
Also, to improve survivability against light rounds, the I-153 was manufactured without a fuel tank.

Then on the second day, it was made bug free, and He saw that it was good.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:49 PM
Jetbuff wrote:
- It's a bug, but not as you describe. Pilot takes
- several "skull" hits but apparently the armour stops
- the bullets. He's not maneouvering because possibly
- the controls were shot out. To confirm that the
- pilot is alive watch his head continue to actively
- track the opposing aircraft.

Not on my computer. The pilots' head was looking over right shoulder when the bullet catches his skull and stays locked there. He's definately dead, but the kill is not registered.

The control cables were not doubt cut in the first few rounds. The control cables are bullet attractants, as any I-153 driver will tell you.

I think there is a bug in the head-hit-detection that causes the game to randomly disregard damage. I dont think this effects every I-153 because I've seen engines die from a single round. But every time someone starts complaining that the plane doesn't take damage, the screen shot reveals a head wound.

It makes sense to me. If a bullet to the arm causes red-screen, while head-shots cause black screens, the algorithm that calculates all of this could be flawed. As many times as I've been downed by a single round, I can't subscribe to the point of view that the I-153 has a porked DM.

A bug, perhaps, but a flawed DM doesn't seem likely since other I-153's go down quite easily.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 10:03 PM
Sorry I don't agree I can see his head follow the fist 110 as it goes past.His head is facing over his right shoulder then turns forward to track it.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 10:12 PM
WTE_Galway wrote:
- weaponry used to model the mg's.
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that is the funniest things I've ever seen!

hey Gibbage, I think this one is calling your name!



Message Edited on 06/30/0309:13PM by Aflak

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:17 AM
BaldieJr wrote:
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- A bug, perhaps, but a flawed DM doesn't seem likely
- since other I-153's go down quite easily.
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Aha, I c. So you're saying that 1C:Maddox can make a programming error but are above making similar mistakes in the DM, right?

You can lead a horse to water...

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