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Whatsmypassword
03-15-2005, 12:37 PM
Interesting that JG52 pilots claimed victories over Allied tanks. I wonder if it was possible to "shoot down" T-34 in Me-109 and to what extent these claims could be credible? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


E.g.:
03.04.45 Duttmann - Т-34/85 (151st victory)06.04.45 Ellendt - 2 Т-34 (63rd,64th victories)
24.04.45 Duttmann - Sherman (151st victory)

p1ngu666
03-15-2005, 12:46 PM
russians often put fuel barrels on the sides, so if u hit them...

lbhskier37
03-15-2005, 12:48 PM
were they flying Jabo? A good hit with a SC500 should do in a T34.

faustnik
03-15-2005, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
russians often put fuel barrels on the sides, so if u hit them... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder if that really destroyed the T-34s or simply made a big flash and smoke? I guess if the fuel spread out over the engine compartment it would destroy the tank.

Whatsmypassword
03-15-2005, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
russians often put fuel barrels on the sides, so if u hit them... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think a hit in a T-34 fuel barrell would lead just to loss of that barrell and nothing more. Russian tankers were brave but not kamikaze.

p1ngu666
03-15-2005, 01:09 PM
ive heard that 20% of tanks claimed destroyed really where, otheres where knocked out, but could be repaired.

my dad said the turrets "float" so a molatov cocktail would be surprisingly effect, flames going inside the tank...

not really into tanks, so i dont really know

oh and and u need a direct hit to knock out tanks with bombs, onwhine atleast

Agamemnon22
03-15-2005, 01:29 PM
If it's eastern front, they may not have been tanks at all. Russians put out thousands of wood-and-fabric mock ups to throw off german bombers and intel. From 2000 meters up you can't really tell. If you sit down and compare german kill reports from, say, Kursk with russian logistics reports, you find that Stuka's claimed 107% of all soviet light armor in the area, or something equally unlikely. I had a link somewhere that cited a report by a soviet unit responsible for erecting mockups of all different kinds, which says that in 1 day x number of fake tanks were bombed, y fake supply convoys, z fake anti-tank guns, etc... Each one of those is probably a real tank kill claim in the Luftwaffe record.

[EDIT] But the point is, you can actually light a wood and fabric "tank" on fire with pretty much any incendiary ammo, so a 109 comes in, strafes the tank, pulls out and sees a cloud of smoke, he figures he got a kill. It could've happened.