View Full Version : The Plight of Tsushima Maru

10-04-2004, 10:23 PM
An interesting article I came upon about a sad event I had not known about. Happened 60 years ago in 44. Just gives me another reason why I wouldn't want to have been in a bomber pilot's or submarine captain's shoes. Sober reminder that war is a lot more fun on a computer screen.


10-04-2004, 10:59 PM
oh man, i feel sorry for that sub captain, and the children offcourse...

The ship captain should have signaled somehow, like a whie flag, or maritime msg, "carying refugees" or something, to ensure the boats safty, AND the children

10-04-2004, 11:31 PM
I think the ships primary goal was to remain unseen, and therefore didn't give a signal, and even if they were to give a signal, I am sure they had no idea the sub was there.

10-06-2004, 07:17 AM

is there, in Japan, a memorial for the million's of Chinese children the Japanees soldiers did kill?
A thought, nothing more !


10-06-2004, 08:35 AM
Is there in the US, the USSR or UK a memorial for all the children killed in bombing raids on Japan and Germany?


Or in China a memorial for the ppl killed in Tibet, the cultural Revolution?

So, now if you could just honor the dead instad of starting flames, I'd be grateful.

Back on topic, I feel bad for that captain. Knowing to have killed over 800 children...that must have been evil.

Not to even think about the cildren themselves...

10-06-2004, 04:11 PM
Civilian Casualties

Casualties among civilians were much less accurately recorded than military losses. In part, this was unavoidable because of the population shifts that took place as civilians fled before invading armies or the continual air attacks on major industrial centers, or were sent to Germany or the Soviet Union for forced labor.

Civilian casualties in the United Kingdom, slightly over half of which were inflicted in the London area, were as follows:

Killed Seriously injured Total
Bombs 51,509 61,423 112,932
V-1 6,184 17,981 24,165
V-2 2,754 6,523 9,277
Arty 148 255 403
------------------------------------------------Total 60,595 86,182 146,777

Civilian casualties in the USSR have been placed roughly at 2,500,000 killed. The loss of population (including both military and civilian casualties) caused directly or indirectly by the war has been stated at 20,000,000. Air raids against Germany killed approximately 300,000 Germans and seriously injured about 780,000 more. Numerous additional casualties occurred during the Soviet invasion of 1944-1945, but no specific estimates are available. Japanese civilian casualties probably approached 500,000 killed and 625,000 seriously injured, plus a considerable number reported as missing after the fire raids and atomic bombings. In addition, about 360,000 Japanese captured by the Russians in Manchuria, Korea, and the Kuril Islands were still missing in 1950; a large number of them have never been accounted for. Chinese civilian losses are unknown but probably numbered several million.

Many, many tragedies:
On August 14, 1937, during the Japanese invasion of China, the Japanese battleship Isuma (10,000 tons) was tied up at the dock in Shanghai off what was called the Shanghai Bund. In an attempt to sink the Isuma, Chinese planes bombed the harbour but mistakenly the bombs hit crowded city streets, a department store and other adjacent buildings along the Bund killing over 1,900 people.

On the 10th of May, 1940, three Luftwaffe planes, HE 111s, bombed the German town of Freiburg by mistake, killing 57 people. The crews thought they were over a French town. The fragments of the bombs found later, confirmed the bombs as German, but German propaganda claimed the raid to be a terror attack by the French Air Force, justifying subsequent bombing of French towns.

The area around Imber on the Salisbury Plain in England, comprising of around 91,000 acres, is the traditional training ground for the British Army. On April 13, 1942, during a demonstration of fire-power from a squadron of Hurricanes, the pilot of the 6th plane to make the attack inadvertently fired into the crowd of invited military spectators. He had mistaken the spectators for the rows of dummy soldiers placed on the ground as if in marching order. The demonstration was immediately cancelled and all aircraft ordered to return to base. Fifteen minutes later some thirty military and civilian ambulances arrived to convey the dead and injured to hospitals. Twenty five officers and men were killed and seventy one injured. The Hurricane pilot, just approaching his 21st birthday, was found guilty of an error of judgement by the Court of Inquiry. (On June 28, 1942, seventy-six days after the tragic incident, he was shot down and reported missing in a sortie over Cherbourg).

The bombing of the MINERVA car factory in Antwerp on April 15, 1943, turned out to be one of the major tragedies of WWII. The factory was converted to repair workshops for Luftwaffe planes and therefore on the priority list for attention by the US Eighth Air Force. The bombing run was poor, due to evasive action being taken to avoid German fighters. The bombs were released too late and fell on the residential part of Mortsel, a suburb of Antwerp, over a mile away from the target. In all, 936 civilians were killed including 209 schoolchildren. A total of 1,342 people were injured and 220 houses destroyed.

This could go on forever.

The lessons learned ? You figure it out

10-07-2004, 08:43 PM
Moral of the story: noone is innocent for long in war.

10-07-2004, 09:09 PM
Does not maru mean it was a merchant ship?

10-07-2004, 11:09 PM
Well, maru is I believe used for a lot of ships, not just merchant ships. It was a cargo ship, I believe carrying some artillery and their crew as well as the school children, teachers, and parents. It was part of a convoy trying to leave okinawa to the mainland. It was escorted by a DD and a gunboat. There were two other transports. The were military transports though, you can see in the picture some light aa guns.