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12-11-2007, 09:00 AM
did Hurricanes face Hurricanes in the Finish Russias war?

where else did the same planes face each other?
maybe not same version but same plane none the less

i know 109's faced 109's in Yougoslavia.

12-11-2007, 10:13 AM
"The Rumanians obtained 69 Bf-109E-4s in 1942, and began to receive Gustavs in numbers the next year. The Rumanian IAR concern assembled 30 Gustavs from kits and built 16 more on their own until Allied bombers put a stop to this activity. After Rumania switched sides in August 1944, their Bf-109s operated against the Luftwaffe. The Rumanian Bf-109s were obsoleted in 1948."

"The F4U was finally phased out of USMC and US Navy reserve service in the mid-1950s. The Corsair remained in military service in Latin America, with the type provided to the Argentine Navy, the air forces of Honduras and El Salvador, and possibly a few other Latin American air arms. This led to combat between the Corsairs during the short-lived "Soccer War" between Honduras and El Salvador in July 1969. The conflict was famously triggered, though not really caused, by a disagreement over a football match."

"The MiG-17 was featured in clashes between Ethiopia and the Sudan in the late 1970s, with both sides flying the type and both claiming kills."

all from www.vectorsite.net (http://www.vectorsite.net)

Off the top of my head it is theoretically possible that

- Romanian Hurricanes encountered Soviet Hurricanes in the eastern front between 1941-44

- Chinese J-6s (copy of Mig-19) encountered Vietnamese Mig-19s during the Chinese-Vietnamese border war of 1979-89

Ethiopian Su-27s and Eritrean Mig-29s engaged in combat in the war between 1998 and 2000, the two types are kind of similar.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-11-2007, 11:20 AM
The "Continuation War" pitted Soviet aircraft against Soviet aircraft in the late 30's

12-11-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
did Hurricanes face Hurricanes in the Finish Russias war?


I don`t believe that there`s any recorded dogfights of Finn Hurricanes fighting Russian hurricanes, but both sides did have them and flew in the same areas, so it`s a possibility. I rememeber the same question in my mind when flying the Hurri in IL2 and finding myself fighting a Finnish hurri!

It`s always stuff like this that makes me go check a book!

12-11-2007, 11:03 PM
I believe the Romanians also kept using Ju-87s after they switched sides in 1944. Maybe they encountered German and Hungarian Ju-87s.

12-12-2007, 12:22 AM
interesting. thanks for the info.

12-12-2007, 02:10 AM
We do know however that Finnish Chaikas (captured) did indeed engage Russian Chaikas and vice versa.

Actually, the first kill that Finnish ace Luutnantti Olavi Kauko ˜Olli' Puro scored, was a Russian Chaika, when he was flying his IT-18.

More about this and Olli here (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/finland_puro.htm) and here. (http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/fin/pil/puro/maine.dat)

Oh... that certainly brings me back to Baldies nice server.. .. chaika vs chaika... couldn't be more fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

12-12-2007, 03:20 AM
UKDed2 server has a scenario called 'Belgrade' where (several other types) Bf-109E4s are flying for both the Germans and the Belgrade team. I believe it is historically accurate but am not 100% sure. Perhaps someone who flies there can confirm/correct this.

Also, Lipfert (203-kill Luftwaffe ace) describes engaging Romanian/Bulgarian Bf-109s after they defected over to the Allies later in the war. He had actually instructed some of these pilots briefly when they had been pro-Hitler and so wondered how they had developed as flyers since he last taught them.

The Swiss, flying warplanes from Germany, may have clashed with the Luftwaffe once or twice during WW II.

12-12-2007, 03:24 AM
I have read stories where captured B-17s and P-38s were repaired and then flown in combat against U.S. forces.

I think the B-17s tailed U.S. B-17 formations over Germany while the P-38 was flown by some Italian pilot to shoot down several U.S. bombers/fighters in the Mediterranean theater.

Don't know if these stories are substantiated, think I got them from author Martin Caidin.

12-12-2007, 09:19 AM
The Italians did capture and briefly use a P-38. It shot down one B-17 in August 1943. It was flown by Col. Angelo Tondi.

Caidin's version of the events for the captured P-38 is fiction.

12-12-2007, 09:54 AM
Yeah, that version sounds like a bad Flyboys rip-off or something.

12-12-2007, 11:45 AM
yes victor victor i know.
i like that map and thats one of the reasons why i wrote that tread.

Uk-d 2 is my favorite server.
but i think maybe Spit vs 109 is on sharp competition as im getting more full real http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

01-18-2008, 07:07 PM
Cambodia operated Mig-17s against the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War after it sided with the Americans in 1970. They probably never met the enemy's Mig-17s though. But this technically was also a situation where opposing sides used the same type of aircraft.

01-18-2008, 11:46 PM
The Swiss received German aircraft and used them against German aircraft to defend their neutrality.

The Italians switched sides forming some airgroups using Italian planes and fighting against the German-occupied north, where there were airgroups using Italian planes.

The Polish PZL 11 and 24 were exported to various Nations (for instance Romania, Bulgaria, Greece) which later met in combat.

01-19-2008, 09:01 AM
thanks for all the answers guys

01-19-2008, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
Did Hurricanes face Hurricanes in the Finish Russias war?

Finnish "Hurris" didn't face any of the Soviet Hurricanes due of the fact they had been removed from front line duty before the first British Hurricanes were flown to Soviet Union.

Le.Lv.30 (Lentolaivue 30) was the only operational unit to use more than few Hurricanes in the Continuation War (Le.Lv.32 also had few in 1941-42). The Hurricanes were used on the Finnish offensive at the Karelian Isthmus in Summer 1941 and scored few victories there.

After that the Hurricanes were transfered to the capital of Finland, Helsinki, because of lack of spare parts and to free one flight of Fokker D.XXIs to Eastern Karelia. Hurricanes were used to intercept Soviet PE-2s at Helsinki area during 1942-1943 before the aeroplanes were removed from service.

2nd Lt. Olavi Puro from Le.Lv.6 shot down a I-153 with his I-153 (IT-18) over Lavansaari on 4th October 1942 between 08.10 - 09.25 o'clock.

WO Eino Koskinen from Le.Lv.32 shot down a LaGG-3 when he was flying LaGG-3 (LG-1) five kilometers East of Segezha on 16th February 1942 between 10.45 - 11.35 o'clock. The LaGG belonged to 415 IAP.

Sources: Keskinen, K. Stenman, K. Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 24: LeR 5. Loviisa, 2004.
Keskinen, K. Stenman, K. Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 20: LeR 1. Loviisa, 2002.