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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:34 PM
Hi. I am new in the IL2 business. I have IL2 Sturmovik and it looks great. Can somebody explain me what the differences between IL2 and IL2 forgotten battles are? Is it valuable to buy fb?

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:34 PM
Hi. I am new in the IL2 business. I have IL2 Sturmovik and it looks great. Can somebody explain me what the differences between IL2 and IL2 forgotten battles are? Is it valuable to buy fb?

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:37 PM
Fb has more flyable aircraft and a little bit better damaging model than the original Sturmovik, but the first one is as fun as FB is too. you can also fly for the Finnish and Hungarian armies in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:39 PM
there are a lot of differnces...ill name few:
- FB has a much more accurate damage model.
-FB has more flyble and AI planes (including flyable bombers and jets that il2 didnt have)
-IL2 however has a more realistic flight model (so some say)
-in FB there are a lot more missions,campaigns and so on...
-FB now has a lot more online players than IL2

buttom line: in my opinion FB is muc much better....

hope i helped



Message Edited on 06/21/0303:41PM by ohadbx

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:43 PM
Thanks a lot!

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:31 PM
"Forgotten Battles" is an evolved version of "IL-2." Think like FB is a Gold or Platinum version of IL-2 where you buy the core game and add-on pack together. Although it's really more than that because the core game was partially rewritten to include a dynamic campaign, improved 3D models, and other changes from original IL-2.

My kinda/sorta analogy is IL-2 was like a hit movie, and "Forgotten Battles" is the director's cut DVD with extra scenes and features ... you get the idea.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 08:16 PM
FB = more maps, planes and gizmo requirements

IL2 = better flight model, better trim, better sounds

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:52 AM
New planes complex engine management new maps realistic trim but alot of performance issues and probs if you check out the tech help forum. But once they are fixed it will be great.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:10 AM
Depends how good your PC is. FB cost me A$70. The hardware upgrade to run it was close to A$1300. And no, I don't regret it.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:18 AM
IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles is a STAND ALONE product
The Forgotten Battles consists of:


20 single-player missions


10 multiplayer missions


5 new maps


Dynamic campaigns that are working on all existing maps of IL-2 Sturmovik and IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles

Forgotten Battles offers all the gameplay of IL-2 Sturmovik, plus many new additions. These include (but are not limited to):

30 new flyable aircraft
23 new AI-controlled aircraft
New AI ground objects and vehicles for each new map area, with new 3D building models
Ranking and award system for Finnish and Hungarian pilots
Selectable custom user-made skins in single play mode for players and all AI aircraft
All IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles aircraft available in Quick Mission Builder, except seaplanes and gliders
Improved flight dynamics
More realistic AI scripting to create more realistic battles
New engine management relating to radiators, superchargers and fuel mixture control for different altitudes
Online track recorder and editor
A New system of single play track recording and editing
Search lights and barrage balloons (including intercommunication with AA artillery)
New ships including the Russian battleship Marat, Russian cruisers Aurora and Kirov and German cruiser Niobe (but not limited to)
Play up to 32 players online in dogfight and in cooperative modes (depending on your internet connection)
IL-2 Sturmovik and IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles are not compatible with each other when playing online


IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles includes from the original IL-2 Sturmovik game:

All aircraft (including those released for free in add-ons)


All maps

IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles does not include from the original IL-2 Sturmovik game:

The single missions


The multiplayer missions


The 3 offline single player campaigns

MINIMUM SPECIFICATIONS
Computer: Pentium III 800/AMD Athlon 700 or better
Memory: 256 MB of RAM ( 512 MB is recommended)
Operating System: Windows(r)98/ME/2000/XP
DirectX: DirectX 8.1 or higher (included on disc)
Video Card: 3D video card (DirectX 8.1 compatible) w/32MB RAM (64MB recommended)
CD-ROM: 4X CD-ROM or better (Not recommended for use with CD-RWs)
Audio: Direct 8.1 compatible sound card
Internet/Network Play: Internet connection (56 kbps or better) or LAN for multiplayer
Hard Drive Space: 1.1 GB

NEW MAPS
There are 5 new main gameplay maps:

Gulf of Finland summer

Gulf of Finland winter

Hungary summer

Hungary winter

L'vov summer
Gulf of Finland maps include the large area that covers the cities of Helsinki (capitol of Finland), Tallinn (capitol of Estonia), Leningrad (St. Petersburg), the Finnish Gulf itself, Kronstadt island and other islands fortifications, and the great lake Ladoga. The city of Helsinki and Leningrad have been designed using old 1939-1940 maps and contain a number of unique and well-know buildings and objects.

Both maps of the Finnish Gulf have been designed that to cover the historical battles of 1941-1944 during the Russo-Finnish war.
The Hungarian winter and summer maps include the great lake Balaton and the surrounding area around, including small part of Slovenia.
The L'vov map include the parts of Soviet Ukraine and small parts of Poland and Slovakia.

For online gameplay, we have prepared several maps for different gameplay. One of which includes towering mountains with high altitude airfields.

DYNAMIC CAMPAIGN GENERATOR
IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles introduces a dynamic campaign. The dynamic campaigns are automatically generated, and the player can select his or her nation, squadron, and aircraft to fly. Players can also decide when they want to join the war. After the completion of each mission, the results will be processed and another mission will automatically be generated - and so on, until the end of war. Results of one mission will carry on to the next and no two missions will be the same.
During the campaigns, forces will advance or retreat, based on the history of the battles. However, frontline movements can speed up or slow down in limited degree. Additionally, resource tracking is present and objects destroyed in one mission will stay destroyed in the next. Every destroyed plane, friendly or hostile, reduces the number of planes of this type in the theatre, making their appearance less likely. Destroyed trains and transport columns will affect supply rate. If an ace is killed or captured, he will not appear in future battles.

Squadron management will also play a key-role in the dynamic campaign system. Every pilot has a name, photo (it is possible to replace the default photos) a rank, medals, sorties and kills. Each pilot's skill level is defined by combat experience. Pilots can be killed, captured, promoted, awarded or transferred. Losses are replaced, but new pilots will likely have minimal combat experience. Each squadron has a limited amount of combat ready planes, and if this number drops below some point, the squadron will be short-handed.

Players may choose to play from any time of 1941 to 1945 and fly for either Germany, Russia, Finland or Hungary.


NEW AIRCRAFT
In addition to all IL-2 Sturmovik aircraft and IL-2 Sturmovik free add-ons aircraft already released, here are the new aircraft:
(in red the VVS and Allies aircraft, in blue the LW and Axis aircraft)



Flyable

Ju-87D-3 Two seat dive bomber / ground attack aircraft
Ju-87G-1 Two seat tank buster / ground attack aircraft
Bf-109G-14 Fighter
Bf-109G-10 Fighter
Bf-109K-4 Fighter
FW-190D-9 Fighter. 1944 model
FW-190D-9 Fighter. 1945 model with MW50
FW-190F-8 Fighter-bomber
FW-190A-9 Fighter
He-111H-2 Multi-crewed bomber
He-111H-6 Multi-crewed bomber / torpedo bomber
Me-262A-1a Jet fighter
Me-262A-2a Jet fighter-bomber
B-239 (Brewster Buffalo F2A) Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Hurricane Mk I Fighter Finnish Air Force
TB-3 Multi-crewed bomber
La-5 Fighter
La-5F Fighter
La-7 2x20mm ShVAK cannons Fighter
La-7 3x20mm B-20 cannons Fighter
I-153 M-62 Fighter
I-153P Fighter
Hurricane Mk IIB Fighter
Hurricane Mk IIC Fighter
Hurricane Mk II with Russian cannons and MGs Fighter
P-47D-10 Fighter / fighter-bomber
P-47D-27 Fighter / fighter-bomber
P-40E Fighter
P-40M Fighter
P-40 field mode with Soviet M-105P engine Fighter


AI


Bristol Blenheim MK I Bomber. Finnish Air Force
Bristol Blenheim MK IV Bomber. Finnish Air Force
Fiat G.50 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.406 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.410 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
M√¬∂rk√¬∂ Morane Fighter. Finnish Air Force.
Equipped with Soviet engine M-105P, captured by Germans and sold in Finland
Bf-110C Heavy fighter and fighter bomber
Bf-110G Heavy fighter and fighter bomber
Me-210Ca-1 Heavy fighter and fighter-bomber. Hungarian Air Force
Me-210Ca-1 Zerst√¬∂rer Formation destroyer / ground attack.
Hungarian Air Force. In additional to standard cannons 1x40mm, 2x3 150mm rockets
Ar-196A-3 Sea plane
IL-4 1942 Long range bomber / torpedo bomber
IL-4 (DB-3F) 1940 Long range bomber
SB-2 M-100 Bomber
SB-2 M-103 Bomber
DB-3 Long range bomber
DB-3T Torpedo Bomber
DB-3M Long range bomber
P-51D Fighter. USAAF
Su-2 Close support Bomber
PBY-Catalina Sea plane

COMPLETE LIST OF AIRCRAFT
Flyable
IL-2 Single seat early, IL-2 Single seat, IL-2 Single seat late, IL-2 Field modification with rear gunner, IL-2M Type-2, IL-2 Type 3, IL-2 Type 3M, IL-2T, IL-2I, I-16 type 18, I-16 type 24, LaGG-3, LaGG-3-IT, LaGG-3 Late, La-5FN, MiG-3, MiG-3ud, MiG-3 AM-38, MiG-3 (2x12mm MGs), MiG-3 (2x20mm cannons), MiG-3U, P-39N-1, P-39Q-1, P-39Q-10, Yak-1 Early, Yak-1B, Yak -7B, Yak-9, Yak-9D, Yak-9T, Yak-9K, Yak-9U, Yak-3, BI-1, PZL P.11, Bf-109E-4, Bf-109E-4/B, Bf-109E-7/B, Bf-109E-7/Z, Bf-109F-2, Bf-109F-4, Bf-109G-2, Bf-109G-6 Early, Bf-109G-6 Late, Bf-109G-6/AS, FW-190A-4, FW-190A-5, FW-190A-8, Ju-87B-2,
AI
R-10, U-2 (Po-2), Li-2, MBR-2 seaplane, Pe-2 1st series, Pe-2 84 series, Pe-2 110 series, Pe-2 359 series, Pe-3, Pe-3bis, Pe-8, Tu-2s, He-111Z, Hs-129B-2, Hs-129B-3/Wa, Ju-52, Ju-52 seaplane, Ju-88A-4, Fi-156 Storch, FW-189, Me-323, Me-321, He-162A, IAR-80, IAR-81, Mc-202

In total with IL-2:FB and IL-2 installation you'll get 129 aircraft, at least 80 of which are flyable!

REALISTIC / COMPLEX ENGINE MANAGEMENT

Controlling Multi-Engine Aircraft
When flying a multi-engine aircraft, you have an option to control its engines separately.
You may choose the engines you wish to control using engine selection keys found in the Controls menu.
Your current engine controls (e.g. throttle, prop and mix positions, radiator set-up, e.t.c.) apply only to the engine(s) you have selected.
Note that if you enabled the Separate Engine Start key in the Difficulty settings, you will not be allowed to start all of the engines simultaneously, and have to select them for ignition one by one.
Advanced Engine Controls
The engine control routines have been reworked and expanded for the Forgotten Battles; you now have more detailed control over your engines, with more realistic feedback. However, some tasks (like engine start-up procedure) remain simplified and usually performed with a single keystroke.
Throttle Control
Throttle control remains essentially the same it was prior to Forgotten Battles. Yet now you may push it farther than Combat Power (100%) to force your engine into the War Emergency Power (Emergency) mode (up to 110%). Note that there is no Power 110 keyboard shortcut, so you'll have to use Increase Engine Power control key (keyboard + by default) to gain War Emergency Power (Emergency) when controlling throttle with keyboard.
Emergency Power
A number of aircraft modeled in the game have special systems allowing an engine to gain advanced performance over a short period of time (alike the notorious nitrous oxide injection system). These systems vary the principle of operation, but for all aircraft so equipped they may be engaged using the Boost (WEP) On/Off control button:
Special Emergency Power for aircraft such as FW-190A-8, FW-190A-9, FW-190F-8 FW-190D-9 1944

MW-50 (Water-Methanol injection) for aircraft such as FW-190D-9 1945, Bf-109G6/AS, Bf-109G-14, Bf-109G-10 and Bf-109K-4

GM-1 (High-altitude nitrous oxide injection system) for aircraft such as Bf-109E-7/Z

Water injection device for cooling down engine of P-47D-10 and P-47D-27 at emergency power of engine.


Supercharger Control
High-altitude engines are equipped with superchargers or turbochargers of different design. While many of those are automatic, others have manual control.
In this case, you have to use "Supercharger Next Stage" and "Supercharger Prev. Stage" to adjust the supercharger gear as the flight altitude changes. Most of the chargers are 2-stage, and only require one shift up of the gear when passing altitude at around 2500 meters.
This function will not work for the planes, that had fully automatic pitch or stages of superchargers (for Example Bf-109 or FW-190).
Mixture Control
Most of the engines allow the pilot to adjust mixture richness manually. While the nominal position of this control (Auto Rich) should provide normal engine operation in all flight configurations, some input may be required on high altitude or when the engine has taken battle damage. It is common to use increased (Full Rich) set-up during take-off or as a means of Emergency Power.
Radiator Control
New to Forgotten Battles is advanced radiator control. In Advanced Engine Controls difficulty mode you now have 5 cowl or radiator flap positions to provide more accurate control over it, plus, on the aircraft so equipped, you may put the radiator flap in automatic mode.
Propeller Pitch Control
The way of controlling the Prop. Pitch and keys used remain the same as before the Forgotten Battles, with the addition of Increase Prop. Pitch and Decrease Prop. Pitch control keys for a more convenient and accurate propeller control.
However, the propeller governor routines has been reworked to achieve a more detailed and accurate model, plus several governor mechanism types were added.
Fixed Propeller
Some older airplanes found in the game (like TB-3) are equipped with simple fixed pitch wooden propellers. Those, of course, have no automation or control, and require no pilot input.
Variable Pitch Propeller
These propellers have variable airscrew blade incidence. In this case, Prop. Pitch Control directly varies the airscrew blade pitch, and needs to be adjusted constantly as the airplane speed changes. Note that setting the blades pitch too low may result in engine over revving.
Note that there was special equipment on the Bf-109 (F, G and K series) and FW-190 fighters providing automatic propeller control, however the pilot may input the changes of pitch and adjust blade angles manually whenever he finds necessary.
Constant Speed Propeller
The most advanced, yet most common through the aircraft of the WWII era was the Constant Speed Propeller. In this case, pilot uses the Prop. Control to set desired engine RPM, while the propeller governor attempts to maintain the set RPM.
Aeromechanical Screw
This type of airscrew uses balance of aero dynamical forces and propeller inertia to maintain optimal blade incidence. Thus, it requires no input from the pilot.
Propeller Feathering
Some propellers provide an option to 'feather' its blades that is to turn the blades parallel the airflow to reduce the drag. That becomes essential when an engine fails in-flight.
Magneto Control
Piston aviation engines use magnetos to drive the spark plugs. There are two magnetos, left and right, and normally both operate. However, you may set which is working using Magneto Next and Magneto Prev. control keys, or switch them off to shut down the engine.
Extinguisher Control
A number of aircraft, mostly large airships, had built-in fire extinguishers in the engine compartment. On the aircraft so equipped, you may fire the extinguishers on the selected engines using Fire Extinguisher control key. However, this doesn't guarantee to put out the engine, and the extinguisher has only a limited number of charges.
Level Bomber bombsights for multi-crewed aircraft of the Forgotten Battles
The Forgotten Battles introduces the level bomber bombsights. With the release there will be present Lotfe 3D bombsight of He-111H-2 and H-6 and OPB-1 optical bombsight for Soviet early war bombers, like TB-3.


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