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stalkervision
06-04-2009, 09:40 AM
Just wondering. In the Ju-87 in case of one landing gear being damaged or a general landing gear failure the Ju-87 IRL pilot could blow off the landing gear with built in explosive charges in the gear. This was to make a safe dead stick landing

Does anyone know if this is modeled in Il-2??

Flight_boy1990
06-04-2009, 09:49 AM
I hear this for a first time in my life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Anyway,it's not modeled in IL-2.

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
I hear this for a first time in my life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Anyway,it's not modeled in IL-2.

That's how it goes buddy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yup totally true! On each of the ju-87 struts there is suppose to be a small decal that says "explosive charge" in german. It can be triggered in the cockpit should the landing gear get damaged. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bet Oleg and SOW missed this little semi-important detail too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

but seagulls will be modeled. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 12:47 PM
Just thinking. if you were in a real tight spot you could blow your gear off like the geko getting rid of his tail and hit a following british fighter with them.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

slipBall
06-04-2009, 02:10 PM
You may see it in SOW, because I noticed the pivoting (prop protecting) bomb under carriage on the stuka is modeled...why not include the charge also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
You may see it in SOW, because I noticed the pivoting (prop protecting) bomb under carriage on the stuka is modeled...why not include the charge also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

that would be excellent, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 02:24 PM
another thing I am not sure that is modeled in il-2 but should be and in SOW for sure.

apparently in the He-111 the pilot had a way of adjusting his seating position on takeoff and landing where he is actually looking out of a top window of the aircraft like he is looking out from a car sun roof! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

True fact! It is for much better visibility on takeoffs and landings and was a commonly used feature.

For sure I hope this is modeled! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I will be seriously ****ed if it isn't! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

TheFamilyMan
06-04-2009, 02:26 PM
But if it matters, in IL-2 you can strip the gear off a Ju-87 quite cleanly by hitting an object (building, bridge, etc.) with them just right. I've done this once or twice without consequence other than the missing landing gear. Enjoy, S!

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
But if it matters, in IL-2 you can strip the gear off a Ju-87 quite cleanly by hitting an object (building, bridge, etc.) with them just right. I've done this once or twice without consequence other than the missing landing gear. Enjoy, S!

Ya I have done that a few times http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif but I doubt it would work in real life very well to get rid of a bad strut. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

slipBall
06-04-2009, 02:43 PM
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie. It maybe was a latter technology than the war years. Anyway very suspencefull wondering if she would kick over

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie. It maybe was a latter technology than the war years

I believe a few P-47's did. I know a few other did.

Now I want a cartrage starter also and my 109 in SOW better have a ground crew to crank their inertia starters over too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slipBall
06-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Oh Oleg please, please, can we have this...pleaseeeeeeee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
06-04-2009, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Oh Oleg please please can we have this...pleaseeeeeeee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hay we buy his games we better get what we want! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Skarphol
06-05-2009, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
But if it matters, in IL-2 you can strip the gear off a Ju-87 quite cleanly by hitting an object (building, bridge, etc.) with them just right. I've done this once or twice without consequence other than the missing landing gear. Enjoy, S!

I haven't done this in quite a while, but I think the top speed actually decreases when you fly the Stuka without undercarriage instead of increases as one should expect..

Skarphol

Waldo.Pepper
06-05-2009, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie.

Koffman starter. The Corsair and Typhoon spring to mind.

JG52Karaya-X
06-05-2009, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie. It maybe was a latter technology than the war years. Anyway very suspencefull wondering if she would kick over

I know for a certain that all Napier Sabre equipped aircraft (Tempest, Typhoon for example) used the so called Koffman system which used the violent expansion of explosive gases to start the engine. You put a cartridge into the starter and prayed that the engine would start up right aways. If it didnt then it would be bung full of fuel and probably catch on fire if you tried to start it again.

slipBall
06-05-2009, 04:50 AM
Very interesting system, thanks guys

The Coffman engine starter (also known as a "shotgun starter") was a starting system used on many piston engines in aircraft and armored vehicles of the 1930s and 1940s. The Coffman system was one of the most common brands. Another was the Breeze cartridge system, which was produced under Coffman patents. Most American military aircraft and tanks which used radial engines were equipped with this system. Similarly, the British Supermarine Spitfire used the Coffman system to start its Rolls-Royce Merlin engine[1]. The Hawker Typhoon also used the Coffman system to start its Napier Sabre engine.

A derivation of the Coffman starter was used on a number of jet engines, including such engines as the Rolls-Royce Avon, which were used in the English Electric Canberra and Hawker Hunter.

Xiolablu3
06-05-2009, 05:12 AM
Yeah I was gonna say I am sure the Spitfire used the Coffman starter.

I believe the coffman, a crank handle could be used or a trolley electric starter.

Tully__
06-05-2009, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie.

Koffman starter. The Corsair and Typhoon spring to mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was fitted to quite a few aircraft as a secondary/emergency starter, even when the primary starting technique was something like an auxilliary cart. I think the cartridge start goes back considerably further than the start of WW2.

If I recall correctly there is at least one aicraft in the game that has a rack in the side of the cockpit with a couple of starter cartridges in it just in case the pilot has to land somewhere not equipped with the auxiliary cart normally used to start the aircraft.

Sillius_Sodus
06-05-2009, 05:30 AM
The G50 has such a rack but I'm not sure if they are used for starting cartridges of flares.

Xiolablu3
06-05-2009, 05:46 AM
Just been reading actually, the early mark Spits (mkI,mkII,mkV) used the coffman.

The later marks (VII,VIII, IX, XIV) had electric starting.

Zorin2008
06-05-2009, 05:59 AM
If I may correct you, the only Ju87 to have this feature was the Ju87C carrier version, to ease the ditching process.

As I happen to have the official manuals on the Ju87C and Ds, you can trust me on this.

slipBall
06-05-2009, 06:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1u4LFj8-E&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnavclient%2Egmodules%2Ecom%2Fgad gets%2Fifr%3Fsynd%3Dnavclient%26oe%3Dutf8%26w%3D25 6%26h%3D652%26lang%3Den%26country%3DUS%26url%3Dhtt p%253a%252f%252fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom&feature=player_embedded)

barfo1983
06-08-2009, 07:13 AM
Does anybody know if the plane Rudel surrendered in had this feature? He said he landed hard enough to collapse the landing gear so that his plane would be unusable.
That seems more dangerous than a belly landing.

Art-J
06-14-2009, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Just been reading actually, the early mark Spits (mkI,mkII,mkV) used the coffman.

The later marks (VII,VIII, IX, XIV) had electric starting.

Oh, I THINK later marks might be fitted with it as well (althought I have no idea wether it was used as a primary starting system!). I recall seeing a wartime photo of Griffon-powered Spit during quite "smokey" startup sequence, the caption said it used the "shotgun starter" indeed. This was the first time I've ever read about such device. Well, the captions are not always 100% correct source of info, but check this site out:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/...com/Pages/power.html (http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/power.html)

We can obviously see the Coffman mounted on some Griffon variant Spit in here.

Cheers - Art

slipBall
06-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Art
Very interesting web site http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
06-14-2009, 03:32 PM
Ya I got a order in for that nice Dehaviland aircraft potty! Should make my luve a thing to behold.

staticline1
06-15-2009, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I was wondering if any of the WW II era aircraft, used a charge to start an engine. Like in the original movie "Flight of the Phenix"...by the way a great movie. It maybe was a latter technology than the war years.

F6F-3 did.