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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 10:53 PM
Yes, I think it was a great feature to make the landings more difficult outside the airfields and the runways in 1.1!

I would be glad if this parameter would come back!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 10:53 PM
Yes, I think it was a great feature to make the landings more difficult outside the airfields and the runways in 1.1!

I would be glad if this parameter would come back!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 11:26 PM
I havent tried any Betas, but I can agree with this one request. I have been having ~lots~ of fun learning how to land and taxi off airfield after Patch 1.11. It is hard in some planes but it can be done with LOTS of practice. But now if they over "fix" it we will be impossible to land anywhere except on airfield.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif The following aircraft cannot start engines and take off from anywhere except official FB airfields..... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I~153
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I~16
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Ju~87
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif He~111
He~162
Me~262
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif G~50
Me~323
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif ....and possibly a few other non~combat types.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:02 AM
could you define "official FB airfields"?

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:04 AM
I have to disagree with this one chdt i couldnt stand when moving slow off runway your plane bounces like your on the moon

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:06 AM
I agree with Leadspitter. The bouncing thing was really silly. Comical.

I felt the effect off/on runway was just right in 1.11.

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Message Edited on 11/11/0312:08AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:13 AM
"I have to disagree with this one chdt i couldnt stand when moving slow off runway your plane bounces like your on the moon "


But that's realistic. I've many pics of Swiss air force Mustang, Morane or Messerschmitt in pylons, with broken gears or returned, because they didn't land on the airfields.

In the 109E pilot manual, it's also advised, for instance because of an engine failure, to land on the belly if the area is not sure and flat

"Achtung, bei ung√ľnstigen Gel√¬§nde is eine Notlandung mit eingezogenem Fahrwerk sicherer"


Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:15 AM
" have to disagree with this one chdt i couldnt stand when moving slow off runway your plane bounces like your on the moon "


On military airfields in Switzerland, it happens often that grass is regularly cut by cows who make holes with their feet if the ground is wet.

So believe me, it you get out the runway, you would bounce like on the moon if you roll fast! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:20 AM
- So believe me, it you get out the runway, you would
- bounce like on the moon if you roll fast! Cheers,


Well said CHDT. I see lots of film where the wings rock back and forth....although not to the extremes we see in FB 1.11. I have not seen the 1.2 anything yet.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:26 AM
Hmmm... well if it was like that then I guess it should be in. But surely the bounce was TOO much before...? Maybe tone it down from the original.

I`ll have to go find some footage... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:45 AM
It was harder, but was it better, too?

In reality there would be some terrains where you could land/take off without problems and others where you would crash immediately. The compromise they had chosen to apply to all of the terrain ruined some of the game's great potential.

In the game landings in the streets of Leningrad are just as bumpy as those on the mountain tops of the Caucasus. So it was quite useless to build a mission where you have to land in the besieged city.

Also, even though we had all the objects available in the FMB, we couldn't build our own field airbases when landing gears were breaking at take-off.

I'll be happy if the bumpiness gets reduced.


It would be even better if the mission builders were able set the degree of bumpiness for every single mission.

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:53 AM
Don't seem all that easy to me, not like constant glue effect, but still plenty bouncy. First time attempting a grass landing the gear tore clean off, touched down at 160 real slow decent rate, was a surprise. Second landing went better, takeoff roll was exagerated and rather long, so whats the complaint?

This was away from the airfields out in the cow pastures, but I'd expect an areodrome to be much better prepped.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 02:54 AM
You should be almost guarenteed to nose over or break the gear attempting a gear down landing in anyplace other than a prepped and clean surface.

Open fields are a minefield of rock, hole, fence, irrigation channels, plow rows, etc. that can all grab gear and turn the plane over or break the gear. Thats why in a forced landing you'd do it gear up.

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 04:16 AM
Cragger wrote:
- You should be almost guarenteed to nose over or
- break the gear attempting a gear down landing in
- anyplace other than a prepped and clean surface.
-
- Open fields are a minefield of rock, hole, fence,
- irrigation channels, plow rows, etc. that can all
- grab gear and turn the plane over or break the gear.
- Thats why in a forced landing you'd do it gear up.


Right. Yet it was doable.

That's why I liked the leaked beta in this respect, even though the bouncing while taxing was ridicolous.
I have not tried with the new beta yet, but if that effect was taken away, I'm very disappointed.

Something in between?


Aero

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 06:53 AM
If you make it too difficult to taxi on normal "ground," then a lot of the full mission builder "secret base" mission potentials become impossible.

CHOOSE not to taxi off the runway.

I believe that 1.2 RC has reached a happy medium with regards to this issue.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:34 AM
The problem we have is that we have two (2) choices....

(1) The ~huge~ international airports in FB

(2) Open terrain.

There was a long story posted here recently about a P~38 Med pilot who wrote about German airfields that built to support only 2 or 3 fighters. Two or Three fighters /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Think about this and even our FB "grass" airfields become international airports--at the frontline.

Two or three fighters

Honestly the FB airfields are something the US Army Air Force would have built and operated from at long range. This is not what German and Soviets did. Bergstrom has written about how in late 1941 the 109s could not reach the front fast enough to protect troops from Soviet air attack. The Bf109s had to start taking off from their "official" airfield and land at a forward base during the day and operate from there. At sunset they would fly back to the "official" airfield.

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Operating FB off-airfield is easy but takes *alot* of time, practice, and rudder. Don't even think about aileron control.

Leadspitter may be right. The off airfield take offs may be too long because as you pick up speed, your apparent weight against the ground becomes less. Not sure though...the real life bush pilots here, at the ubi.com, will know about this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Actually I get this lesser weight feel in FB cos the real bumping and rocking comes at lower speeds well below takeoff speeds. In real life, (I think), flaps are supposed to help rough field takeoffs as the acceleration is ruined anyway by the rough ground. Don't know about FB though.

For the rough-field Newbie, practice with the IL~2, its the best handling by far, and has the best over nose taxi view next to P~39.

TB~3 is a love affair to taxi around off field. But its a little too smooth perhaps.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif He~111 can't start engines off "official" FB airfields. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



Always remember: Germany operated airfields designed for only 2 or 3 fighters.



Message Edited on 11/11/0307:40AM by LEXX_Luthor

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:51 AM
Yep! In official manual for Bf-109E3 it is stated that if the terrain is not appropriate for landing, pilot should land with gear up.
Also noticed that these planes cannot start engines outside of airfield, ie if you manage to land on the airfield or runway, you can restart the engine with no problems. I guess these machines didn't have batteries. Bf for example had an internal battery, but in the same manual it is stated that it should be used only in case of utmost emergency. Starting of an engine before take off was performed with external airfield batteries which were mounted on wheels.

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 08:56 AM
Yes, there are no batteries or starters anywhere on the FB airfields. All the mission builders wish to make is additional "combat" airfields, small, close to the front lines, and very hard to see from the air....as desired of a frontline airfield.

US Army Air Force airfields may be another story. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 12:00 PM
HO DAM IT, THERE WILL NEVER BE HAPPY PPL, HO GAME NOW IS TO HARD! GAME NOW IT TO EASY!!! GAME NOW IS TO REALISTIC!!! HO THOSE P51 PILOTS ARE TOO GOOD LOOKING PLEASE PUT UGLY FACES ON THEM OLEG!!!! HO I COULDNT TAKE A CRAP YESTERDAY!!!!! HOOOOO THE GROUND IS MISSING BUGS AND WILD ANIMALS, THE MOON DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT QUANTITY OF VISIBLE CRATERS! OLEG PLEASE FIX FIX FIX! MY ***** IS SMALL!

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 12:01 PM
not traying to be an *** but afther 3 years some get tired

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:11 PM
Aztek_Eagle wrote:
MY ***** IS SMALL!
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Please DONT post a track of that! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BTW: Mine is overmodelled.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Message Edited on 11/11/0309:32PM by Fehler

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:20 PM
Aztek_Eagle, a "non-tiring" game for you

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Cheers,


P.S: More seriously, you can set also FB to easy settings, if you haven't still noticed it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:20 PM
Aztek_Eagle wrote:
- HO DAM IT, THERE WILL NEVER BE HAPPY PPL, HO GAME
- NOW IS TO HARD! GAME NOW IT TO EASY!!! GAME NOW IS
- TO REALISTIC!!! HO THOSE P51 PILOTS ARE TOO GOOD
- LOOKING PLEASE PUT UGLY FACES ON THEM OLEG!!!! HO I
- COULDNT TAKE A CRAP YESTERDAY!!!!! HOOOOO THE GROUND
- IS MISSING BUGS AND WILD ANIMALS, THE MOON DOES NOT
- HAVE THE RIGHT QUANTITY OF VISIBLE CRATERS! OLEG
- PLEASE FIX FIX FIX! MY ***** IS SMALL!
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- "Never forget the past so we dont make the same
- mistakes in the future"
-
- MicroSoft Most Wanted
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- src="http://www.angelfire.com/empire/the-aztek-eag
- les/oleg.jpg">
-

u made me fall from my chair for the laughs!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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