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Noni_15
09-07-2005, 12:27 PM
Well i just orderd my Satiek Cyborg Evo joystick and I was wondering what everyone here has?

I have currently a broken LOGITECH WINGMAN EXTREME.

Thanks! Post pics too!

Noni_15
09-07-2005, 12:27 PM
Well i just orderd my Satiek Cyborg Evo joystick and I was wondering what everyone here has?

I have currently a broken LOGITECH WINGMAN EXTREME.

Thanks! Post pics too!

sithgod
09-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Saitek X52. It has less tension than other sticks I used but once I got used to it its been my favourite. My baby likes stareing at the lit up buttons.

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-07-2005, 12:46 PM
Saitek X45. Very happy with it.

FritzGryphon
09-07-2005, 12:48 PM
X45.

Though, I vastly prefered my Wingman Digital. Much better button placement, and not so big and clumsy.

But I had to call tech support every 3 months for a replacement, they break so easily.

Jaws2002
09-07-2005, 12:49 PM
Ch Fighter stick + CH rudder pedals + X-45 throttle.

Hoarmurath
09-07-2005, 01:15 PM
http://www.saitek.com/fr/images/product/pcp/x45.jpg

No X52 for me, i don't like twisty stick.

WOLFMondo
09-07-2005, 01:27 PM
CH Fighter stick and CH Pedals.

You know on the X52 you can lock it so it doesn't twisthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hoarmurath
09-07-2005, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
CH Fighter stick and CH Pedals.

You know on the X52 you can lock it so it doesn't twisthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nice, lend me your pedals then... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

horseback
09-07-2005, 01:41 PM
CH Products CombatStick/Pro Throttle/Pro Pedals.

Three years, almost daily use. Not one problem.

cheers

horseback

skabbe
09-07-2005, 01:47 PM
microsoft sidewinder 2. very happy with that one, probably the last joystick under 100$ that works with quality.

Cdn.401GATOR
09-07-2005, 01:48 PM
Sorry guys Saitek sticks blow.. no offence intended..

I mean, a coil spring for return to center tension???

David Oreck says the vacuum companies keep selling those crappy vacs cuz we keep buying them.. Its the same way in the joystick market..

Its the year 2005.. Ten years ago microsoft had produced a stick that had an exotic electric motor control to provide programmable return to center tension effect and feedback effects..

Not only that.. Microsoft even had optical laser tracking vs. the potentiometers still in use today on the Saitek and other sticks.

Since the introduction of the Microsoft Force Feedback and the Force Feedback 2 there has been little to no advancement in control sticks..

The market niche is too small to foster decent R&D, as a consequence these B-grade manufacturers constantly repackage the same old technology..

Thank God Gates didn't realize the niche problem before he approved the spending of a small fortune to develop that stick...

When is somebody going to develop a sophisticated stick with the features I mentioned above?

I've been waiting for years and nothing..

That's why I'm fully stocked on MSFF2's enough to last me through a nuclear winter, cuz that's what we're in now..

A vast wasteland of stinky sticks..

SlickStick
09-07-2005, 01:50 PM
Started in 2000 with Jane's WWII FIghters using a Logitech Extreme 3D Digital, but like Fritz, I was going through one every 3-6 months.

Usually the twist rudder would get twitchy...it wasn't until I got my X-45 that I found a repair procedure for the Logitechs, but by that time, it was too late to go back. Too many more buttons on the X-45 made it indispensable for my flying.

A couple of months or so ago, I got an X-52. IMO, much more precise centering than the X-45, an extra slider for HOTAS mapping, two-step trigger and I've gotten back used to having a twist rudder again. I love a twist rudder for deflection shooting. Back in Jane's you got the most out of head-on shooting by "wagging the tail" back and forth and making a nice wall of bullets for them to fly into. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In this game, it's not as good as pedals, but much improved on the rudder rocker of the X-45. Again, IMO.

WOLFMondo
09-07-2005, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
CH Fighter stick and CH Pedals.

You know on the X52 you can lock it so it doesn't twisthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nice, lend me your pedals then... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

heh..no way! Get your own, you won't regret it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Edbert
09-07-2005, 01:52 PM
TM-Cougar with IJ's Uber2-NXT gimbals and Cubbie's Hall effect sensors. Best joystick $1K will buy!

Kocur_
09-07-2005, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Satiek Cyborg Evo joystick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have one and Im happy.
Before I had number of Logitechs and was NOT happy about them.

stathem
09-07-2005, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cdn.401GATOR:
Sorry guys Saitek sticks blow.. no offence intended..

I mean, a coil spring for return to center tension???

David Oreck says the vacuum companies keep selling those crappy vacs cuz we keep buying them.. Its the same way in the joystick market..

Its the year 2005.. Ten years ago microsoft had produced a stick that had an exotic electric motor control to provide programmable return to center tension effect and feedback effects..

Not only that.. Microsoft even had optical laser tracking vs. the potentiometers still in use today on the Saitek and other sticks.

Since the introduction of the Microsoft Force Feedback and the Force Feedback 2 there has been little to no advancement in control sticks..

The market niche is too small to foster decent R&D, as a consequence these B-grade manufacturers constantly repackage the same old technology..

Thank God Gates didn't realize the niche problem before he approved the spending of a small fortune to develop that stick...

When is somebody going to develop a sophisticated stick with the features I mentioned above?

I've been waiting for years and nothing..

That's why I'm fully stocked on MSFF2's enough to last me through a nuclear winter, cuz that's what we're in now..

A vast wasteland of stinky sticks.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So why doesn't Oleg set up a company in Russia to copy 'em and ship them out to us? Nice sideline

Oh and some cheapish pedals too...

CD_kp84yb
09-07-2005, 02:25 PM
Still using my old and trusty Gravis Phoenix (build 1992) used every day since that day.
Dam i thought it pasted away lately it became wobbly so i ordered a Saitek X52.
Well that one hasnt arrived yet, so i took my gravis apart and cleaned the dam thing and put some new grease in it.
Wish i hadnt did that, It functions like new again, its a new game now the precision is back. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now comes another prob why did i ordered that x52 lol , http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif it may become unused now hahaha well i will give it a try and if i dont like it i will give it to the dogs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Nah kidding, the gravis moves to my other PC witch is capable easely of running this game to

ragards

Vacillator
09-07-2005, 02:32 PM
X52 (twist locked) and CH Pro pedals (with TIR2 as well). Very happy although as someone else said above I found the stick very light at first compared to my old Afterburner. Also I seem to need to be running x-y sensitivities at all 100.

FoolTrottel
09-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Well,

I currently have:
- 1x Logtitech Wingman (GamePort, not used)
- 1x Genius Flight 2000 (GamePort, not used)
- 1x Thrust Predator TH 400 (USB, not used, used to be built into pedals)
- 2x MS Sidewinder Standard (Gameport, one of 'm recently built in to home-built rudder pedals, the other one for spare)
- 2x Guillemot FFB Joystick (One for flight, one spare http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif )
- 1x Thrust QZ501 Predator, built in to the base of a Thrustmaster Top Gun, combined with the internals of a PS Vribration Feedback Converter (gamepad) to make a Throttle, Flaps, Trim (2x) and lot's-of-other-buttons controller.
(And there's a box of a lot of leftover parts of I dunno how much other cheap-sticks ...)

Below, some pics ... oh, the first one is dated, I've added another slider, and two more buttons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
(Might not look like much, but hey, it works ...)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Controls.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GuillemotFFB.jpg
Just to complete the lot, my ITR3Pro device:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GlassesTIR.jpg

Have Fun!

Bearcat99
09-07-2005, 03:20 PM
http://x4.putfile.com/9/24923514744.gif
I use an X-45/MSFFB2/CH Pro USB Pedals/VAC/TIR combo.. this is an old picture... the TIR isnt on there and the desk looks nothing like that now...... much more cluttered.. but the stick and pedals setup is exactly the same. Since I use my X-45 stick as a button bay I dont need it on my right side.... I fly with the MSFFB.....

capt_frank
09-07-2005, 04:35 PM
using my trusty ms sidewinder precision 2 with a saitek x-52 setup. i like the x-52 throttle and use the saitek stick for a button bay.

couldn't be happier...

Cdn.401GATOR
09-07-2005, 04:54 PM
Yes Statham I wish Oleg could start cranking out the old MSff2 or improved versions based on the technology..

I suspect though Microsoft would want some hefty royalties..

Perhaps what has also happenend is that Microsoft has patented all of the intellectual property gained from development of the MSFF2 thereby preventing other manufacturers from copying it..

JunkoIfurita
09-07-2005, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">microsoft sidewinder 2. very happy with that one, probably the last joystick under 100$ that works with quality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All you lucky buggers who were still around when those sticks were on the shelves, I shake my fist at you!

I had a quick look on amazon.com and ebay.com for the average price of a used Microsoft Force Feedback 2: $200! Twice the price of an X52! I appreciate that it's a good stick, but for a couple of those I'd have a complete CH setup...

The MSFFB2 club is an exclusive group of people who a) Had the foresight to grab one and hold onto it or b) Were silly enough to pay three times its worth for a used one of unknown quality.

I think I'll stick with my X-52 for the moment. Sure, it's 'old technology', but it does the job, and I even have enough money left over for a set of rudder pedals, one day.

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Wilburnator
09-07-2005, 06:21 PM
I use a CH Fighterstick and CH pedals with an X52 throttle. The throttle is already wearing out, it's starting to cause me some minor problems, but the CH stuff is bullet proof.

wayno7777
09-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Satiek Cyborg Graphite here. Hey, what do ya want for 20 bucks? I'm looking for ideas to use my Gravis Blackhawk Digital for a home-made pedal setup. I'm studying Fooltrottel's setup. I'll have to search for the pedal thread....

Zjoek
09-07-2005, 11:58 PM
A sidewinder precision pro... Very nice! Very precise. Just like it says.

AND a Wingman 3d Force. An utter piece of ****. Good luck shooting down anything with THAT thing. I'm just unable to center my sights on an enemy with it...

rnzoli
09-08-2005, 12:24 AM
A very special one... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Work in progress, but it's flyable now. Phase 2 will bring back force feedback to power.

http://web.axelero.hu/rnzoli/joy1.jpg

http://web.axelero.hu/rnzoli/joy2.jpg

http://web.axelero.hu/rnzoli/pedal.JPG

HunterZer0
09-08-2005, 01:53 AM
Microsoft Force Feedback 2.

I used to use a Sidewinder 3D Pro until I was lucky enough to score the MSFFB2 as new old stock not too long ago, for AUD$80, the equivalent of about US$60. Was stoked about that. It's the best joystick I have ever used.

After seeing some of the ghetto-style home made rudder pedals in this thread, that's tempting me to try that and put that old Sidewinder 3D to good use...

- HZ

Noni_15
09-08-2005, 02:49 AM
MSFF2,

Whats so good about it? Its really ugly lol!

I need a profile for a SATIEK CYBORG EVO, anyone got one?

Thanks

rnzoli
09-08-2005, 02:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Noni_15:
MSFF2, Whats so good about it? Its really ugly lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wise up man, this isn't a beauty contest here, we fight for scores... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

anarchy52
09-08-2005, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Noni_15:
MSFF2,

Whats so good about it? Its really ugly lol!

I need a profile for a SATIEK CYBORG EVO, anyone got one?

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can send You mine when i get home

foxyboy1964
09-08-2005, 04:00 AM
Does anyone use a Thrustmaster joystick? They have one called the AfterBurner Force Feed Back 2. It is a HOTAS stick with FFB. I was thinking of getting one and any info on their joysticks would be helpfull. Cheers.

Oilburner_TAW
09-08-2005, 04:35 AM
Logitech wingman with 3 yr warranty (8$ from best buy). Currently on #6. Desperately seeking a replacement I like but have not found one yet.

asgeirr73
09-08-2005, 05:01 AM
Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar whit Elite peddles
track-Ir 3pro, VAC, teamspeak, tsdisp

I am thinking of buying a second throttle to handle the trim or just a mouse whit alot of wheels on it

I also have a few nice things on the side
so to speak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

an adjustable chart table whit a courseplotter built in and magnetic markers (on my right)

2 document holders whit rings so i can flip thru the pappers (ether side of the monitor one attached to it and one on an arm)

a small whiteboard on my left hand wall (for essentaial mission info)

a board that I can push in and out and lock that have my hotas on it clamped down (so they don`t move when flying hard)

forgott I have also made an adjustible plate (front and back)to brace the pedles so they don`t move around on the floor when i fly now they stay put as if they are nailed down

wish I had a digitalcamera so I could give you guys a picture :/

Capt.LoneRanger
09-08-2005, 05:52 AM
CH Fighterstick and CH PRO Throttle.


After I my old CH HOTAS (gameport) was no longer supported by my mainboard (after 8 years), I tested those sticks:
1. TM Afterburner II
2. Saitek X45
3. TM COUGAR

some other joysticks, too, but not worth mentioning.

I finally returned to CH and I'm really happy with it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

panther3485
09-08-2005, 06:16 AM
Hi guys!

Main flight controls:

Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar with Elite pedals
(same as asgeirr73, but without all the fancy
extras he's got).
Expensive but generally good quality gear with some minor faults, like heavy stick action (which can be tiring in prolonged dogfights) and a little too much centre play. Both can be fixed if you want to do the mods. I'm mostly happy with this setup but anticipate that I may modify it at some future date.

Secondary/reserve backup flight controls:

Logitech Extreme 3D Pro twist handle joystick.
Logitech seem not to be highly regarded in the flight sim community but this is only used occasionally in our household and seems fine for 'casual' gaming. Inexpensive to buy. Very light and precise. No issues yet.

Gamepad/speedpad:

Nostromo N52.
Some seem to love 'em, others just don't get along with 'em. I'm in the former category and my N52 has become indespensible for me, when playing my 1st person shooters (Ghost Recon, Raven Shield etc). Can also be used in conjunction with other controls in some games.


Best regards to all,
panther3485

JunkoIfurita
09-08-2005, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Does anyone use a Thrustmaster joystick? They have one called the AfterBurner Force Feed Back 2. It is a HOTAS stick with FFB. I was thinking of getting one and any info on their joysticks would be helpfull. Cheers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used the Thrustmaster Afterburner II - which is a non-FFB version of the stick you mention, before I upgraded to my X-52.

I thought it was a neat little piece of hardware - I actually much preferred the feel of the actual stick than I do the X-52 (as far as play and range of movement goes. It was just more...solid).

The throttle was nice and comfortable.

Etc.

HOWEVER. It is a cheap piece of hardware (relatively), and you get what you pay for. After six months, the throttle had a lot of play in it (it's only cheap plastic bearings and no weight support for if you lean on it), and eventually the rudder started playing up - sticking in one position no matter how you moved it (probably frayed wires).

The Afterburner Force-Feedback is BASICALLY the same stick, but I believe some of the components are improved - they mentioned a metal weighted base (the Afterburner II was all plastic), for example. Also the force feedback would be awesome. But whether the quality of the throttle/rudder connections is any better, I have no idea.

Try and see? It IS twice the price of the Afterburner II, so you want to be sure about it.

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Monson74
09-08-2005, 07:10 AM
Saitek Evo here - good stick IMO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AstroCat
09-08-2005, 08:26 AM
X52 HOTAS with Track IR3/vector and VAC for voice commands. Pretty new setup but so far it's working very nicely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

notamuppet
09-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Hi I used to have a Logitch FF stick but it lost accuracy so I bought an X52, and since the deadzone issue was sorted (ihad to send it back) its performed very well. Thanks to Fooltrottles idea I modded a cheap stick and have a good set of rudder peddles! Bye for now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/rudder4.jpg

Xiolablu3
09-08-2005, 12:47 PM
Wow you guys sure take this seriously!

Keyboard to fly and fire guns, and do everything except look around which I do with the mouse.

Not ideal, but I do OK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

foxyboy1964
09-08-2005, 02:28 PM
Thanks for the heads up JunkoIfurita. I am currently playing the game using a Thrustmaster gamepad, which is quite a sturdy little thing but I feel as though I really need a sliding throttle. I think the Saitek would be more robust but I cant imagine playing the game with no FFB and hence no stall shudder warning. But like you say, the AfterBurner FFB is twice the price of the none FFB, and I'm sure I read somewhere that the bearings etc are still plastic.

BelaLvgosi
09-08-2005, 04:26 PM
hotas cougar coupled with simped vario/pro pedals.

Stick is less hard to move than a old x45, I'm running it stock without mods, but with 5 months of use I have some play in the X axys (well, 2mm on top of stick if so), I guess one day something like the old uber 1 mod will be made. The paint is starting to fall at some places, but the stick never failed and provides very smooth control, and the throttle has almost everything one would need (two more rotaries, please! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif). Pedals are absolutely flawless.
Coming from a Precision 2 and then a x45, I guess this setup is completely worth for the added control.

PS: for those previous posts with cougars and elites, hey you don't know what you're missing! When I got my cougar I'ce bought second hand TM Elites (which sit resting now) but I was very uninpressed with their lack of precision and unsmooth action for small adjustments even tough the pot was fine and spacers were added to remove excessive friction.
After reading post on cougar world I got new simped gameport Vario/Pros for almost the same price (about 122"), the action is absolutely smooth because it uses ball bearings on the contact surfaces and a HAL pot. I really wish I knew simpeds could be so affordable before getting those Elites, but as most use the souped f16 versions with shorter throw and toe brakes I've always heard of other sums.

VF-2_John_Banks
09-08-2005, 04:47 PM
HOTAS Cougar (with U-2 mod and HALL sensors) paired with SIMPED Vario F-16 pedals and a TrackIR3 Pro.
About the trim function, i simply put the aileron and elevator trim on the "Range" and "Antenna" rotaries. An obvious option, as the game has seperate trim axis.

spitzfiya
09-10-2005, 01:22 AM
Saitek X45 + "Dale Earnhardt Jr." V3 USB Advanced FX Steering Wheel + Pedals

I use the Pedals for My Rudder and the Steering wheel for extra buttons!

Works great!

Yskonyn23
09-10-2005, 04:44 AM
X52 HOTAS + CH Pro Pedals

Works great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I like the idea of the 'xtra buttons'! Might fire up my CH Yoke for that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

major_setback
09-10-2005, 05:53 AM
MSFFB2, which I am pleased with, though I think that it responded better before the latest patches (4.00m/4.01m).

This found on Google, The Kawasaki Intergrated Control System (KICS) EDIT: For shipping!

http://www.khi.co.jp/products/gendou/marine/image/kics-1.jpg

http://www.khi.co.jp/products/gendou/marine/image/kics-2a.jpg

Maple_Tiger
09-10-2005, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Noni_15:
Well i just orderd my Satiek Cyborg Evo joystick and I was wondering what everyone here has?

I have currently a broken LOGITECH WINGMAN EXTREME.

Thanks! Post pics too! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



The first stick I had, was a Sidewinder. It lasted me about a year;consequently, it became very loose lol.

The second stick I bought, was an Extreme 3D Pro from Logitech. This one felt nice, but it broke after two months of use. Needless to say, and from what others have stated about Logitech sticks, I just threw the dammed thing in the garbage.

The third stick I bought, was a CH Fighter stick. Feels nice, lots of bottons, and smooth movements. Best stick I have owned thus far. I may, someday, buy a Couger, for curiousity sake.

HQ1
09-10-2005, 07:21 AM
MS P2 + X52HOTAS + CH Pro Pedals http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

airdale1960
09-10-2005, 07:54 AM
AVB Top Shot Pegasus, Rather strong FFB for compressability, build well, seperate rudder wheel behind the throttle 12 programable buttons. Not bad for $48.00, including shipping and handling.

stubreez
09-11-2005, 12:54 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/rudder4.jpgNot a muppet,could you post a picture taken from the front?
I would like to see how you have connected the pot to yer homemade rig... Personally fly with a saitek cyborg 3d gold(twisty)
Its ok but think that D.I.Y pedals may be better,so I am in the process of taking a Genius F31 Gameport Joystick to bits,to be converted to pedals.

stubreez
09-11-2005, 01:06 PM
sorry,can`t edit the darned post. check the last page for "notamuppets" rudder pedal set up picture. i have access to a furniture workshop including a welding shop and woodshop! always doing "homework"! Its a bit like Colditz in my firm,we could probably make a glider and escape!

Sokol__1
09-11-2005, 10:35 PM
"Its ok but think that D.I.Y pedals may be better,"

Like this one?

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7615/pic0085vc.jpg

Plans here:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=34

New use for broken/unused stiks:

X45 eletronics implanted inside X45 throttle.

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2181/x45turbinado21xd.jpg
Found in AviaForum.

Throttle whit a Cyborg (HAT and buttons still work).

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/3407/cimg03902ij.jpg
http://www.sturmovik.de/board/index.php?topic=9146.0

SP!

Sokol1