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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 05:21 AM
Normally, European warplane carry badge/icon of regiments. I knew that Japanese regiment have different way of marking it, It is paint symbol on tails in different like arrows, triangle, flowers, stripes and other stuff. I have a book of JAAP with all regiments and kind of planes plus names of pilots. It also show all regiment marking on planes(drawing). I think may be problem since won't be same shape or match to different Japanese planes. I wonder Oleg and his team may already knew about it by now. Do all of you agree with me about Japanese regiment markings?

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 05:21 AM
Normally, European warplane carry badge/icon of regiments. I knew that Japanese regiment have different way of marking it, It is paint symbol on tails in different like arrows, triangle, flowers, stripes and other stuff. I have a book of JAAP with all regiments and kind of planes plus names of pilots. It also show all regiment marking on planes(drawing). I think may be problem since won't be same shape or match to different Japanese planes. I wonder Oleg and his team may already knew about it by now. Do all of you agree with me about Japanese regiment markings?

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 06:22 AM
Agree with what? Sorry, I don't understand your point.



Regards,

SkyChimp

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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 07:00 AM
Give the guy some slack, he's probably doing his best to translate his point.

AFAIK he's trying to convey the following point:

Will Maddox try and provide complete and correctly applied IJAAF Regimental (Unit) markings?

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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 09:35 AM
Hikoki do a good book on JAAF unit markings:

http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/risingsun.htm

You should be able to get it from Amazon.

Just think - you'll be able to look at a photo of an aircraft and say 'Yes, I think it is from the first chutai of the 13th Sentai in 1942 or 43'. Your boss will be so impressed he will give you a pay rise. Girls will want to go out with you. People will point you out with admiring glances in the street.

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Professor R.J. Overy, 'War and Economy in the Third Reich'

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 12:54 PM
JNAF & JAAF Markings on zeke :


http://www.warbirds.jp/english/zero_t.htm

ATTENTION, the number on the tail got a real importance !




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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 01:36 PM
IJAAF Unit markings are some of the most colorful and fascinating in all of military aviation, but they will be no harder to implement in game than any other.

I just hope that the 22nd Sentai is available on the Ki84.

The 22nd. Sentai was one of only 4 units in the IJAAF to be allowed to use the Royal Sacred Crhrysanthemum of the Imperial Household as it's unit marking, and the ONLY fighter unit to do so.

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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 03:37 PM
SkyChimp wrote:
- Agree with what? Sorry, I don't understand your
- point.
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Oh I see, I will try my best in English, When you play Japanese campiage in IL2/FB, if you want use 3rd Chutai/64th Sentai regiment marking from Ki-43 to put on A6m5, it may not fit well on A6m5's tail. Understand? Let's see picture below:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/drawings/nick_millman/64%20FR%20Oscar%20I%20[1).jpg

http://www.j-aircraft.com/drawings/nick_millman/1%20FR%20Oscar%20I%20[1).jpg

http://www.j-aircraft.com/drawings/nick_millman/33%20FR%20Oscar%20II%20[1).jpg

http://www.j-aircraft.com/drawings/nick_millman/77%20FR%20Oscar%20II%20[1).jpg

http://www.j-aircraft.com/drawings/nick_millman/50th%20SentaiKi43%20[1).jpg

http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/army/ki-84_gallery_files/ki-84-dan_salamone_01l.jpg

Can you see fowler flaps on model Ki-84? That's neat

I better stop add more as I have so many beauiful pictures. I better respect to reader's slow modem.

If you play as German pilot, you usually have regiment marking on cowl or below cockpit. US air force's P-51D can share regiment marking in US campiage but may not fit on P-38. LOL, Did you get it? Smile. Cheers.

Regards
SnowLeopard



Message Edited on 10/31/0308:52AM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 04:11 PM
Hmmmm good point. i'd like to see this too. Would be nice to see the 310th FS 58th Fighter Group insignia on the aircraft selection screen in a coop with the 3rd Chutai/64th Sentai also showing up there as well.
But i doubt we'll get this. the USAAF Squadron emblems in QMB/FMB & Coop's are still a long way off yet. & i dont see us getting the the JAAF insignia any sooner either.
it's my 1 pet peive about FB. Historical Squadron Insignia for all nations. notJust RU & DE. So i'm all for it. but i doubt it will happen. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 09:11 PM
Copperhead wrote:
Sir,
this was also asked in another thread. Please See here:
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=ywoki

I was also wondering about this my self. As well as USAAF Squadron Markings. But the Japanese Squadron markings are very differant than all other countries. Being that they were almost always marked on the tail of the aircraft.
I know that this can be cone in FB but i was just wondering if it will be done.
Thanks.

Oleg Maddox wrote:

We don't plan currently becasue we have not for that campaigns and that is a lot of work that deserver the separate sim. Jpanese marking were changed during the war several times... That is great problem to model.
So currently we allow user to make markings on the skins and for missions (if you will make) use the future of mission builded that allow to have for each plane separate skin. That is compromise.

Copperhead wrote:
RGR Sir I thought as much. Just good to hear that from you.
Thanks for responding.
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So there's our Answer. NO. best thing we can do is like Oleg says & skin them onto the planes ourselves. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I had figured as much my self. But it's best to hear it from Oleg.
Here's a link to that thread:
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zucmq

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XyZspineZyX
11-01-2003, 12:21 AM
Mr_Nakajima wrote:
- Hikoki do a good book on JAAF unit markings:
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- <a
- href="http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/risingsun.htm"
- target=_blank>http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/risin
- gsun.htm</a>
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-
- You should be able to get it from Amazon.



It's a great book. I have it and recommend it highly. Buy it here:

http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/

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XyZspineZyX
11-01-2003, 02:48 AM
WereSnowleopard wrote:

- When you
- play Japanese campiage in IL2/FB, if you want use
- 3rd Chutai/64th Sentai regiment marking from Ki-43
- to put on A6m5, it may not fit well on A6m5's tail.

I think you're confusing IJAAF & IJNAF here.
IJNAF & IJAAF used completely different aircraft and had different traditions.
The 'Zero' was flown by the IJNAF, the 'Oscar' by the IJAAF. Sentais are part of the IJAAF, and Kokutais are part of the IJNAF. Sentai markings on Zeros, or any other IJNAF aircraft's tail are therefore incorrect (unrealistic that is). I think the IJNAF's Kokutais used numbers on their aircraft's tails, while the Sentais used markings, or some sort of emblem. I do hope these emblems of Sentais that flew the Ki-84 will be included in the free patch, or someday /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

XyZspineZyX
11-01-2003, 02:57 AM
At least we can do our own skins..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-01-2003, 03:11 AM
Of course, I know that. I am use soon-to-be-release IL2/FB Japanese planes A6M5 and Ki-84 as an example. I knew one is for IJNAF and last one for IJAAP. Oh well, that I used Ki-43 instead of Ki-84. I accident pick it up because of 64th Sentai is so famous with many aces which flown in Ki-43 most time. I am sorry for use bad example.

MetalGear_ wrote:
-
- WereSnowleopard wrote:
-
-- When you
-- play Japanese campiage in IL2/FB, if you want use
-- 3rd Chutai/64th Sentai regiment marking from Ki-43
-- to put on A6m5, it may not fit well on A6m5's tail.
-
- I think you're confusing IJAAF & IJNAF here.
- IJNAF & IJAAF used completely different aircraft and
- had different traditions.
- The 'Zero' was flown by the IJNAF, the 'Oscar' by
- the IJAAF. Sentais are part of the IJAAF, and
- Kokutais are part of the IJNAF. Sentai markings on
- Zeros, or any other IJNAF aircraft's tail are
- therefore incorrect (unrealistic that is). I think
- the IJNAF's Kokutais used numbers on their
- aircraft's tails, while the Sentais used markings,
- or some sort of emblem. I do hope these emblems of
- Sentais that flew the Ki-84 will be included in the
- free patch, or someday
-
-
-



Regards
SnowLeopard