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ottoramsaig1959
06-19-2007, 06:03 AM
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM.

gsc67
06-19-2007, 09:03 AM
If you do get the call.... I thank you ! I thank you anyway for the past, but again now for the future. The A-1 is a bad boy, and the good men that move those machines around are masters of their craft.... G-d bless and good luck....and PLEASE stay safe !

ottoramsaig1959
06-19-2007, 09:29 AM
Thanks, its good to know that the public still stands behind us. I think I will be assigned to a BCT using the M1A1 Tusk Main battle Tank. A lot has to happen before hand, physicals, background checks and stuff, but I'm ready!Time to join the Varsity team. Once again Thanks!

gsc67
06-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Thank you ! And you are very welcome !

Liddabit
06-19-2007, 12:56 PM
My hubby and Iwish you well and thank you too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif!

Celeon999
06-19-2007, 01:37 PM
Make sure you keep your head in that tank ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OZFugazi
06-19-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I recieved a similar letter from the US Army. Apparently they dont care much for my age difference or time out (completed my IRR in 1989) But apparently they are short in all specialized jobs. I was EOD.

I found it completely odd. But then understandable there not being a shortage of bombs and a shortage of men.

Working out the details now with a recruitment rep. So you may not be alone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At any rate.. I wish you (us) the best of good fortune and godspeed. Though I feel obligated, and I am completely patriotic, I just wish they would end this debauchery and bring our men and women home.

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Realjambo
06-19-2007, 01:55 PM
I wish you the best of luck. Be safe!

Celeon999
06-19-2007, 02:44 PM
So this means the u.s military is already calling in the "Volkssturm" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm) ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The situation must be worse than expected when they are already so desperate that they call the retired submarines back to duty... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


*Celeon sells his u.s army shares* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

VikingGrandad
06-19-2007, 02:50 PM
Be safe. Take care! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Goose_Green
06-19-2007, 02:51 PM
All the very best of luck to you - and stay very safe!! I know it's obvious to say but; remember your training it is the only thing that can get you through those tough moments - let's hope you don't have to experience any at all.

I consider myself lucky to have served in Iraq when it was far safer than it is now - I salute you all that have had to serve in post war Iraq. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Messervy
06-19-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
So this means the u.s military is already calling in the "Volkssturm" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm) ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
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@ ottoramsaig1959

Best of luck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Keep your head down and don't be overly patriotic.

Liddabit
06-19-2007, 02:56 PM
My husband was medicaly retired after an Airboren infantry accident over italy training a unit there. His 18b status apparently reactivates him even being medically retired walking with a cane. He has been to Iraq twice now training the Iraqi Infantry.

He explained the shortage to me as thisi s the first time the Department of Defense has had to take on the roles that other departments played in past wars. Department of Transportation and energy for example helped rebuild those sections of german infrastructure after ww2, but now all that rests on the military alone. They are way overstretched in this capacity.

ottoramsaig1959
06-20-2007, 11:05 AM
Wow, thanks everyone for the support, the way I see it the Army is running out of qualified senior Non-Coms, Can't blame those folks that are close to retirement. Deployment takes its toll on the families. I only have 3 years to my full time 20 active years. I'm looking at a 1SG slot in an Armor Battalion. HORAH! U997 will drydock soon, my crew relived and sent home to their famlies, medals placed in shadow boxes and war stories committed to memory. For us the war is over.

ottoramsaig1959
06-20-2007, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
So this means the u.s military is already calling in the "Volkssturm" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm) ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The situation must be worse than expected when they are already so desperate that they call the retired submarines back to duty... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


*Celeon sells his u.s army shares* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Like I was saying, its not a desperate situation, there are some folks that with any war need relief from deployment. Our Forces are still strong with a 140% recruitment rate. It is my reason that I have trained all my life and now its time for the Varsity game. Soldiers answer the call to our nation, there is no greater honor than to serve. I witnessed the twin towers personally (not just on TV) 911 took the lives of the NYFD, NYPD and New Yorkers that simply went to work but ended up murdered. My "Empty Sky" is the Manhattan skyline, I will never forget that clear morning the rest of my life. Now its time to do something.

Celeon999
06-20-2007, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
So this means the u.s military is already calling in the "Volkssturm" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm) ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The situation must be worse than expected when they are already so desperate that they call the retired submarines back to duty... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


*Celeon sells his u.s army shares* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Like I was saying, its not a desperate situation, there are some folks that with any war need relief from deployment. Our Forces are still strong with a 140% recruitment rate. It is my reason that I have trained all my life and now its time for the Varsity game. Soldiers answer the call to our nation, there is no greater honor than to serve. I witnessed the twin towers personally (not just on TV) 911 took the lives of the NYFD, NYPD and New Yorkers that simply went to work but ended up murdered. My "Empty Sky" is the Manhattan skyline, I will never forget that clear morning the rest of my life. Now its time to do something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


We demand weekly after action reports from you and Doven http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://foren.ludomaniac.de/smileys/buendnis.gif

K_Freddie
06-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Keep this in mind..
- You're going to a place that most westerners don't have to fogiest of what's going on.
- You'lll see 'in-house' violence/war, and when you step in to try calm it down, they'll all turn on you.
- The whole of the US/UK forces can go there, but they'll never win - the toll will mount steadily
- If you leave them, they'll fight amongst themselves like they have been doing for decades. Let them sort themselves out.

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ottoramsaig1959
06-20-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Keep this in mind..
- You're going to a place that most westerners don't have to fogiest of what's going on.
- You'lll see 'in-house' violence/war, and when you step in to try calm it down, they'll all turn on you.
- The whole of the US/UK forces can go there, but they'll never win - the toll will mount steadily
- If you leave them, they'll fight amongst themselves like they have been doing for decades. Let them sort themselves out.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif My job is to bring the kids home in one piece, I do not care about the politics of this conflict, good soldiers never do. My brothers in arms are there and that is where I belong. I know that my actions will not end the conflict but my training may bring a few more home in one piece. I do agree with your point of view but I can not let that govern my actions. The political climate in the US will change towards it's view point on the war as it has in the past with other wars. As an old soldier having witnessed the Vietnam war and the treatment of its veterans I pray that our generation will be more kind. So no matter what your viewpoint support of your troops will always be needed.

Liddabit
06-20-2007, 02:54 PM
Good thing Freddie isn't a morale officer :P

K_Freddie
06-20-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Liddabit:
Good thing Freddie isn't a morale officer :P
Many others have beaten me to that post. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I prefer to give a more realistic pic, a lot of people would prefer not to see.
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OZFugazi
06-20-2007, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
So this means the u.s military is already calling in the "Volkssturm" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm) ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The situation must be worse than expected when they are already so desperate that they call the retired submarines back to duty... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


*Celeon sells his u.s army shares* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Like I was saying, its not a desperate situation, there are some folks that with any war need relief from deployment. Our Forces are still strong with a 140% recruitment rate. It is my reason that I have trained all my life and now its time for the Varsity game. Soldiers answer the call to our nation, there is no greater honor than to serve. I witnessed the twin towers personally (not just on TV) 911 took the lives of the NYFD, NYPD and New Yorkers that simply went to work but ended up murdered. My "Empty Sky" is the Manhattan skyline, I will never forget that clear morning the rest of my life. Now its time to do something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


We demand weekly after action reports from you and Doven http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://foren.ludomaniac.de/smileys/buendnis.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

heh.. I have enough "action reports" if your interested I will PM you.

The point here is that everything the "modern" soldier is taught to handle has nothing to do with gut reaction and everything to do with standard regimen of tactical environs.

We (as a military) are very much outclassed when it comes to what is going on over there.(not trained for Kaos) Its not the risk of personal loss or injury that frightens me (personally), but the pure concept of not knowing anything. Not knowing the gamble or the odds or even the depth of the motivation for the reasons of combat make the war inherently "psycological"

I have done a ton of research on the matter.. watching Frontline and reading. And quite honestly its not the battle of confronting a tangible enemy that confuses me.. but the conflict between personal understanding/morality and being patriotic to my country that stands as the greatest war.

I am 40yrs old. I have no family, wife, kid.. just a dog and a truck. I have experience in battle and primarily survival. But if I decide to recall into service for my country ie: Iraq.. it wont be for any other reason than to hopefull add a little relief for those soldiers that do have what I do not. And I admit the sign on is quite good.. lol.

I DO have the option not to sign.. And I have until Sept. to make my decision. But unfortunately the men and women in Iraq dont have that luxury.

What motivates me is the same motivation I had for joining Military school as a youth. Its not the money, or the education, or the ego.. but the same reason my grandfather and his father and his son and his grandson and all the grandsons and daughters that currently serve now. These people are "America". And even though we would lose nothing but Bush's ego if we pull out. Everyday we lose another soldier.. we lose another piece of America.

ah well.. I am just rambling.. but Ill stop with this.. I had a hard sit down with my mind over this.. and I got to thinking. Why? There is no reason other than thought of failure to fight this war. Its not about freedom or liberty anymore.. Its about soldiers fighting for soldiers as our leaders go on with the business of making mistakes to correct the mistakes. We have to rely on each other now more than ever.

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Messervy
06-21-2007, 03:31 AM
Now that was a pleasure to read.

Simple, sharp and very profund. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

K_Freddie
06-21-2007, 05:00 AM
That about sums it up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ottoramsaig1959
06-21-2007, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
That about sums it up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Well said............Otto http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ottoramsaig1959
06-21-2007, 06:29 AM
My goal as Tank Commander will be to bring home my Gunner, Loader, and Driver. Its not the Tank Crew duties that concern me, Its the foot, convoy patrols. The Army has introduced the M1A1 Tusk to the threater of Operation. It is an M1A1 re-enforced for IED's. Bottom Line: Keep our heads down, close the hatches, no hero's>

OZFugazi
06-21-2007, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
My goal as Tank Commander will be to bring home my Gunner, Loader, and Driver. Its not the Tank Crew duties that concern me, Its the foot, convoy patrols. The Army has introduced the M1A1 Tusk to the threater of Operation. It is an M1A1 re-enforced for IED's. Bottom Line: Keep our heads down, close the hatches, no hero's>

Man.. let me tell you.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I had the wonderfull opportunity to "ride along" in an M1 with the 81rst at Knox while training some ROTC rats over one summer there, was damn good times.

AS a demolitions expert in the field and as an instructor of said explosives.. I spent literally hours face to face with the hulk (thinking at the time.. 1985) "my god what a bad arse piece of 60mph death tonnage". We even did some hag and dag, loading just ONE of those monstrosities into a C5.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It says alot when the 2nd largest armor (the USA) can take out the 4th largest armor (Iraq pre war) without ONE SINGLE casulty. Thats over 400 armor units destroyed (mostly t50+) and not ONE M1A1 even scratched.

But I can tell you thats conventional warfare.

I have personally defused "home made" IED's in the field that would literally blow your mind. Like a perverbial mulligans stew of pieced together **** metal, explosive mat and diesel fuel. Some of the stuff we found were just plain scary and simply unstable as hell. More importantly could rip apart the heaviest of armor. (mot all but some)..

The strongest unit on the BF is that tank.. nothing and I mean NOTHING can match it. But that also makes you a "big prize" target. Personally I would rather roll a remote control D5 bulldozer over some of the **** I've seen than any M1 outfitted to the teeth.

You just be friggen (sorry.. i edited original word..my bad) carefull man.. sometimes you just "know" something is not right. Trust those instincts and bring your brothers home in one piece.

Hopefully if I sign, I'll have a hand in munitions destruction and not disarming. Unfortunately I dont have a shell quite as thick as yours.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif But in our governments eyes, I am hella lot cheaper than a billion dollar tank.. lol.

If you get the time.. hit up youtube on IED's.. you can actually get some good info that might help your crew from live footage. You tankers are bad arse.. much respect.

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OZFugazi
06-21-2007, 11:11 AM
oh .. lol

one more thing. to the boots.. just your tank rolling up for support makes you a hero whether you like it or not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

just being there can take a demorlized unconfident soldier and transform them into a beacon of hope. You dont have to fire a single round and its amazing the 180 motivational turn around.

forgot to mention that.

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p-39driver
06-21-2007, 11:30 AM
Retirees?
I ETS'ed in December '91 after 10 years service and did a"European out".Got "Reserve obligation over" orders a couple of years later.

Found recently that they can recall me up to the age of 50.I'm 46 now,and a former 13Fox-20.
I'm simply to old for that job any more!

They can't do that to me,or can they?

Wherever you end up,BE CAREFUL,and
your team and yourself back home alive,
and in one piece!

C.




Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM.

ottoramsaig1959
06-21-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Doven:
oh .. lol

one more thing. to the boots.. just your tank rolling up for support makes you a hero whether you like it or not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

just being there can take a demorlized unconfident soldier and transform them into a beacon of hope. You dont have to fire a single round and its amazing the 180 motivational turn around.

forgot to mention that.

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ottoramsaig1959
06-21-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by p-39driver:
Retirees?
I ETS'ed in December '91 after 10 years service and did a"European out".Got "Reserve obligation over" orders a couple of years later.

Found recently that they can recall me up to the age of 50.I'm 46 now,and a former 13Fox-20.
I'm simply to old for that job any more!

They can't do that to me,or can they?

Wherever you end up,BE CAREFUL,and
your team and yourself back home alive,
and in one piece!

C.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>13Fox-20 You guys have saved my butt a few times. God bless Artillery and the forward guys that made it happen.

Kaleun1961
06-21-2007, 01:32 PM
Wish you the best, mate. I watched a documentary the other night about how good the Abrams is at protecting its crew. Hope it keeps you safe as well, and with Godspeed.

I have mixed sentiments about the war in Iraq, but I am able to completely separate those thoughts from the men and women who serve, for whom I have the highest regards.

Realjambo
06-21-2007, 02:22 PM
I have mixed sentiments about the war in Iraq, but I am able to completely separate those thoughts from the men and women who serve, for whom I have the highest regards.


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OZFugazi
06-21-2007, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by p-39driver:
Retirees?
I ETS'ed in December '91 after 10 years service and did a"European out".Got "Reserve obligation over" orders a couple of years later.

Found recently that they can recall me up to the age of 50.I'm 46 now,and a former 13Fox-20.
I'm simply to old for that job any more!

They can't do that to me,or can they?

Wherever you end up,BE CAREFUL,and
your team and yourself back home alive,
and in one piece!

C.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My "re-call" was more of a voluntary request with a nice sign on. I dont have to, if I dont want to. But its really hard to say no. At 40 I know how you feel though. I think its specific job types as well. I wouldnt know for sure though. I believe once you finish your IRR or final inactive status.. your done. Unless your an officer.. then your commisioned for life or draft due to national security of course.

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gsc67
06-21-2007, 11:26 PM
k_freddie wrote: Keep this in mind..
- You're going to a place that most westerners don't have to fogiest of what's going on.
- You'lll see 'in-house' violence/war, and when you step in to try calm it down, they'll all turn on you.
- The whole of the US/UK forces can go there, but they'll never win - the toll will mount steadily
- If you leave them, they'll fight amongst themselves like they have been doing for decades. Let them sort themselves out.

......

Luck for Freddie...that 100 of thousands of mens bodies littered battlefields for him to say that.... Agree with the war or not...War is war... We as humans invented it, and made it into an artform. They would be just as happy killing without receiving a bullet in return. We may not change that right now...but if we dont stop the process of it now, it wont just go away. And some of you laughed at me when I made the comment in the other post about it comming to your backyard one day. You took it out of context by saying they will need to build a bridge. They WILL figure that bridge out one day...because they dont care about you...or anyone else. You are meaningless to them for you do not beleive as they do. This is not just about the war there now. It is about the war in our lives that we will be living for the rest of our lives and our childrens childrens lives. We ALL want peace here...( I think we do atleast )But we are not a peacful race. Heck....we get a kick out of playing a PC game about reliving Uboats blowing up boats. I for one would rather not worry day in and day out about some third world people who could care less if you, me or anyone of kids live or die planning daily to destroy bit by bit the fabric of our freedom because it does not sute them. It may have not hit home to you yet...but YEt will only be a matter of time some way or another.
G-dspeed to all you fighting men / women protecting the ones whom cant protect themselves.

Flamewagon
06-22-2007, 03:40 PM
Take Care, we'll keep the forum warm for your return.

HeibgesU999
06-22-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Doven:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
Got a call up message from USAR for retirees to active duty. I may be gone soon as they apparently need some 19K M1 Abrams tank commanders. Tuddley jump up to PM.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I recieved a similar letter from the US Army. Apparently they dont care much for my age difference or time out (completed my IRR in 1989) But apparently they are short in all specialized jobs. I was EOD.

I found it completely odd. But then understandable there not being a shortage of bombs and a shortage of men.

Working out the details now with a recruitment rep. So you may not be alone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At any rate.. I wish you (us) the best of good fortune and godspeed. Though I feel obligated, and I am completely patriotic, I just wish they would end this debauchery and bring our men and women home.

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This is just for former Active Duty I believe (either RA or USAR). I don't believe these offers are extended to USAR who never went on Active Duty.

Which is a huge group of folks in the 1992 to 2002 Age Group!

HeibgesU999
06-22-2007, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by ottoramsaig1959:
My goal as Tank Commander will be to bring home my Gunner, Loader, and Driver. Its not the Tank Crew duties that concern me, Its the foot, convoy patrols. The Army has introduced the M1A1 Tusk to the threater of Operation. It is an M1A1 re-enforced for IED's. Bottom Line: Keep our heads down, close the hatches, no hero's>

I would be proud to serve on your tank. Good luck!!!

No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great, Armor, Drill Sergeant, Armor, Hooah!