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Klussdog
08-25-2009, 05:27 PM
Hey guys, I have a laptop board that my Saitek X52 throttle and stick are attached to. This allows me to sit in my chair and have the controls sit right on my lap but I hate having to bend forward to reach my keyboard for commands that I could not attach(fit) to the Saitek system. I was thinking of adding a Logitech G13 to my board which would allow all IL-2 command to be at my fingertips. Has anyone used the G13 and would you be as kind to give us your review?

Trinity_Jay
08-26-2009, 12:02 AM
Well, I did review the G19 recently for a magazine.

Jay
CPS_Bulldog

Rating: ***
Published by: Logitech
System requirements: PC/MAC
Web: www.logitech.com (http://www.logitech.com)
Price: £149.99

On first impressions, Logitech’s G19 gaming keyboard is a heavy duty monster. It’s hardcore stuff; the Ray Winstone of gaming peripherals; a Godzilla on its reptilian warpath demolishing skyscrapers with gusto. And at a not so low cost of £150, one would not expect a gaming tool with compromise and flaws. On paper, it sounds like sheer gaming nirvana for a serious flight simmer whose keyboard and buttons are overstretched and in need of programmable functions. For example, a complex sim such as FSX will stretch a routine keyboard as it becomes overloaded with various commands. In IL-2, fighter jockeys have been known to avoid the additional role of the bomber as they simply do not have the keys necessary to program a complex bombsite. For them, they have their hands full in mastering a fighter on full realism settings. And who can blame them?

The G19 does away with such limitations with ease. It comes with 12 fully programmable ‘g-keys’ with three macros per key – in other words, this slick slice of neo plastic candy can program up to 32 single key presses or complex macros. For the uninitiated, the most complex and demanding simulator (or game for that matter) can be fully programmable thanks to the MR key to record new macros on the fly. And rather handy it is, too. Also, the G19 comes with user-selectable backlit characters. This rich boy’s toy, so demanding that even the Marquis de Sade would bottle out of using it, allows the player to personalise the keyboard to easily locate keys in the dark. It’s a welcome addition and looks uber-cool with a light soft blue hue as one goes to work in the confines of a dark room. Another tasty feature is a key that disables the Windows button to enable during gameplay. The worst case scenario: whilst engaged in a frenetic dogfight, you accidently punch the Windows key. The result is that you’re dragged screaming to the desktop while your aircraft ploughs into the ground – frustrating in the extreme. This command is most useful as are the lighted keys that give the G19 that certain festive cheer as if Christmas came early. The G19 also comes with more goodies such as impressive cable management, the implementation of two 2.0 USB ports (handy to transfer data and power batteries) and multi-key input where up to five keys can be used at once to perform multiple complex actions.

That said, all is not well with the G19. For instance, it requires a separate power source to fuel this demanding piece of kit. Also, the keyboard area is on the small side compared to standard keyboards – but this is of personal preference and aimed towards gamers than media professionals. However, the G19’s lure is its inbuilt colour LCD panel. The tiny 320x240 display can be tilted and allows game stats, system information, e-mail and communication data (VOIP) data such as Ventrilo to be accessed. Image slideshows and video playback can also be screened, but it does warrant one question: why bother? The screen is limited in detail and as to what it can show. For example, YouTube footage is streamed and cannot be selected. The screen may be of use to the likes of World of Warcraft fanatics, but for simmers, its inclusion is negligible and sole reason the G19 is overly expensive. But then it’s of great value to virtual pilots who prefer to land their aircraft while watching clips of Benny Hill chasing scantily-clad ladies on the keyboard’s miniature monitor. Which is, of course, not many of us.

The G19 has divided the gaming community and rightly so; some claiming the money would be best used on a second monitor and a cheaper programmable keyboard such as Logitech’s G15 series. Logitech have produced an amazing keyboard, but its main selling point, the LCD, is an aesthetic feature that lacks practicality in return for a wad of cash. So after five days of gameplay, the G19 is regulated back to its box for the trusty MS keyboard to return to its former glory. Logitech: nice try baby, but no cigar.

Gammelpreusse
08-26-2009, 02:18 AM
I dunno. The keyboard looks good, the functionailty I am sure works wonders...but that darn odd LCD in the top middle really bothers me.

Ever seen a cool stylish car completly ruined by a huge spoiler? Same here, way over the top.

Sure, purely a "looks" criteria. But the heck I do not want to be a confused with a 14 year old gamer nerd.

Now I hope I am not the odd exception in this stance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Microsoft X6 however...

http://www.cybertheater.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/microsoft-sidewinder-x6-keyboard-thumb.jpg

skarden
08-26-2009, 03:25 AM
Get one of these
Belkin N52te (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=390404)
bloody fantastic bit of kit,I have one and use it all the time.Very comfy,easy to program and a crap load of buttons and things to make use of.
Although to be honest I dont use it for IL-2 as I'v got my X-52 set up very nicely but I use use it for FPS shooters,FSX,Lock-on and DCS:black shark which its particularly good for to get a handle on the masive amount of buttons to keet track of.

Highly recomended http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p.s. you can turn the "cool blue backlighting" off if its not your thing,I only use it if I'm playing in the dark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

robtek1957
08-26-2009, 07:35 AM
Get a Logitech G11
it has 18 Programmable extra keys mit 3 modes, thats 54 keys one can program with keystrokes or makros.

Sillius_Sodus
08-26-2009, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by skarden:
Get one of these
Belkin N52te (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=390404)
bloody fantastic bit of kit,I have one and use it all the time.Very comfy,easy to program and a crap load of buttons and things to make use of.
Although to be honest I dont use it for IL-2 as I'v got my X-52 set up very nicely but I use use it for FPS shooters,FSX,Lock-on and DCS:black shark which its particularly good for to get a handle on the masive amount of buttons to keet track of.

Highly recomended http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p.s. you can turn the "cool blue backlighting" off if its not your thing,I only use it if I'm playing in the dark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I have an earlier version of the n52 and I absolutely love it, I can't do IL2 without it now. It's also fantastic with fps games.

na85
08-26-2009, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Klussdog:
Hey guys, I have a laptop board that my Saitek X52 throttle and stick are attached to. This allows me to sit in my chair and have the controls sit right on my lap but I hate having to bend forward to reach my keyboard for commands that I could not attach(fit) to the Saitek system. I was thinking of adding a Logitech G13 to my board which would allow all IL-2 command to be at my fingertips. Has anyone used the G13 and would you be as kind to give us your review?

I have a G15, which i assume is similar to the G13. I found the G-keys super handy. Mine has 3 modes per button, for a total of 54 functions, as well as the LCD on top which I use to display teamspeak info.

Klussdog
08-27-2009, 02:39 PM
Guys, the Logitech G13 is their new gameboard pad. I already have a G19 keyboard and its great. Just don't want to lean forward any more to hit commands. Anyway's, I picked one up and will let you know my thoughts after I get it up and running.

Here's the picture of the G13

UPDATE:

Holy Cow, this unit brings IL-2 to another realm.

The unit has three Macro setting which I assigned to match my Saitek X52 modes. I even set the led lighting on the G13 to match the Saiteks mode lighting.

Mode configuration is a snap with Logitechs G-Series Profiler Software. (No need to be a Geek with this unit).

This product gets Klussdogs stamp of approval........this should be part of every pilots system. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n403/klussdog/G13.jpg

na85
08-27-2009, 02:43 PM
Oh, that's not what I thought we were talking about at all.

Okay well the G-keys are still handy.

horseback
08-27-2009, 08:16 PM
I got something similar to the Belkin and the G13; it's a Saitek Pro Gamer Command Unit. It has 21 programmable keys, with 3 modes and a mouse stick thingy that I usually ignore. I put it between my CH Throttle and Joystick and if it had three or four sliders, it would be perfect...

cheers

horseback

PS--it's got either red, green, or blue backlighting according to which mode you're in. Hmmm...mode lighting.