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Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-09-2010, 12:41 PM
I must begin with apologies to JG2 - having promised him pics of a Sdkfz 222, I discovered there isn't one at Bovington. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Sorry, mate - hope there's something else here you like.

I took over 100 3072 x 2304 pixel piccies today - if you really like one I post, or are modelling a vehicle and would like a reference, sing out here and provided I've got one, I'll upload a big, high quality pic or two for you.

Anyway, on with the show - exterior shots from the way in: gateguards, restorations in waiting ( I think the Crusader turret's a bit too far gone) and the Royal Tank Regiment memorial...


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3715.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3836.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3839.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3840.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3842.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3841.jpg


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3834.jpg


More soon...

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-09-2010, 03:49 PM
Another confession - much as I love WWI armour, the exhibits are surrounded by 'activity points' for children. Whilst it's great too see youngsters geting involved and interested, it doesn't make for great pics. So it was straight through to the inter-war bit - where hordes of excited littl'uns didn't quite get in the way as much...


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3719.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3716.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3717.jpg


There are more WWI vehicles in the new exhibition hall...


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3781.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3782.jpg

...but I'm afraid that my pics are mainly WWII vehicles.


A brace of King Tigers in the WWII hall...


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3721.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3720.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3767.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3756.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3757.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3728.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3727.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3780.jpg


More soon...

ARCHIE_CALVERT
08-09-2010, 04:13 PM
Hi L_F looks like you have a good long visit, thanks for the photo's mate...

Use to go to Bovington in the late 60's - early 70's on our annual summer holiday to Weymouth... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Whats this saucy minx called... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3719.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3716.jpg

Always liked this little blighter... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/th_Tarkus.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/Tarkus.jpg)

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-09-2010, 04:27 PM
That's a Tank A1E1, Independent (E1949.331) (http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3dVehicles%26_IXACTION_% 3dSUMMARY%26%253atext%3d%2522Inter%2bWar%2bHall%25 22%2bin%2bmus_current_location_Section%2bindex%2bm us_text_location%26_IXMAXHITS_%3d12%26_IXSESSION_% 3do22Y3YU5TgH%26%2524%2bwith%2bmus_catalogue%3d%25 2e%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252ffull%252ftvod%252ft% 26%253amus_administration_name%3dVEH&_IXFIRST_=9&_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&_IXMAXHITS_=1&submit-button=summary&_IXSESSION_=o22Y3YU5TgH&_IXMENU_=Vehicles) rumoured to have been defending Bovington camp in 1940.

That armadillo thingy was de-reguer graffiti and excercise book decoration at my school - that's dated me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Treetop64
08-09-2010, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3839.jpg

This poor guy has seen better days... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

danjama
08-09-2010, 04:50 PM
Brilliant photos, thanks mate! I really hope to go here one day!

BillyTheKid_22
08-09-2010, 05:40 PM
Howdy!! L_F, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif LoL!!

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-09-2010, 05:58 PM
Howdy Billy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's a pleasant walk through nice scenery from Wool station on the Waterloo/Weymouth line, Dan - go for it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It'll be up and running in no time, Treetop. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I'll round off the big cats before bedtime...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3786.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3787.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3734.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3773.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3774.jpg


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3769.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3724.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3784.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3785.jpg


More soon...

ploughman
08-09-2010, 06:35 PM
Wow, is that Panther D? a new exhibit? I was there maybe 5 years ago and I don't remember seeing it. The Jagdpanther seems to have had a new paint job, might be my eroding memory though. And last but not least, is that first shot an early Cheiftain, before it grew the massive armoured mantel?

Oh, and I'd just like to say seeing the track marks just behind the heel of that Panther, I hope they never polish them out.

Jagdgeschwader2
08-09-2010, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
I must begin with apologies to JG2 - having promised him pics of a Sdkfz 222, I discovered there isn't one at Bovington. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Sorry, mate - hope there's something else here you like.



No apology needed mate! Really appreciate you taking the time to upload these photos. I'll bet you had fun there! That's a fantastic museum and collection they have. Really need to get myself across the pond for a look in person. That Jagdanther is brilliant! Imagine running into that thing in a Sherman. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif If you got any shots of a Hellcat I would love to see them.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x277/Jagdgeschwader2/JG2Mobile.jpg

Heliopause
08-10-2010, 02:49 AM
Great stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-10-2010, 06:24 AM
Not our day, JG2 - didn't get the Hellcat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif I'll be going back while my ticket is still valid (they do an authorise your VAT refund in return for a yearly ticket scheme). If you make it over here, give me some notice - I'm a twenty minute train ride away.

That's a Panther G, Ploughman - that particular one was finished by the British post-war. Used to be painted in the more 'traditional' yellow & green. Looked dog-rough last time I was there, but the new colour scheme is now finished. I think the Jagdpanther has had a lick of paint, too. The gateguard is a Centurion VIII - I did get shots of some red-hot Chieftan-on-Chieftan action in the outdoor arena...stay tuned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Lots and lots of stuff on the Tiger - probably the museum's most famous exhibit - on its' own website. The tank has become a bit of a pin-up, with its' own dedicated clothing range and trinkets in the museum shop.

http://www.tiger-tank.com/

The story of Tiger 131 from manufacture to current working state at Bovington is fifty pages worth with over 150 pics. That's just one section of the site.



Early Sherman (note hull mg's) and Firefly...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3754.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3755.jpg


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3801.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3800.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3799.jpg

Note general 'much more room to potter about the exhibits' layout of the newly-built 'Story of the tank' hall. Some of the other areas are a bit cluttered with the sheer amount of armour in them. Still challenging to back up with enough room to take shot of whole tank though - hence cut-off Panther in earlier shots.


More soon...

FlatSpinMan
08-10-2010, 07:05 AM
What is that first Tiger surfaced with - looks like concrete or something?
Also, some of those tanks look less authentic than the ones you guys produce in the modelling thread.
To close, tanks are big.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-10-2010, 07:25 AM
Hi, FSM. That's zimmereit, a concrete like anti-magnetic/sticky bomb paste. Popular on late war German big 'uns. Yes, it always strikes me that the finishing on models is more inticrate than the real thing - to spend days making a finish looked authentically 'slapped-on' as opposed to meticulously blending, shading and highlighting is a moddelling dilema. See whitewashed vehicles below and imagine the judges faces if you handed in 100% accurately finished models at a competition...

Russkies - SU-70 and KV2...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3730.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3731.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3732.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3733.jpg


U.S. Greyhound...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3726.jpg


Moore soon...

Jagdgeschwader2
08-10-2010, 09:43 AM
If you make it over here, give me some notice - I'm a twenty minute train ride away.


That would be cool! I'll have to see what I can get away with on my next vacation period. I agree 100% on models vs reality too. I seriously doubt the mechanics had time to give those planes and tanks a meticulous paint job in the middle of a war. Most of the time they just slapped it on there and called it done.



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x277/Jagdgeschwader2/JG2Mobile.jpg

AndyJWest
08-10-2010, 09:52 AM
Excellent pics, L_F. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I see they still have the Cromwell there (next to the Sherman). This is the only tank I've ever studied from underneath! I had a good look at it, and took a few measurements, back in the late '70s, while I was working for Airfix - sadly the kit never got done, as far as I'm aware.

I must get back down to Bovingdon sometime, and have a proper look around - I only had time for a quick recce of what else was there, and it was a long time ago.

Off topic, sadly BT have disconnected my internet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif, so I'm not visiting the forums much - thou no doubt some of you will be relieved to hear this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

barfo1983
08-10-2010, 12:34 PM
Nice use of the Daisy Dukes for scale in the shot of the Jagdpanther

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-11-2010, 02:00 AM
Cromwell you say, Mr West? I'll be modelling the Tamiya one soon, so took a few reference shots...

Hope you're up and running again soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3789.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3794.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3793.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3791.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3795.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3797.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3790.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3796.jpg


More soon...

foxyboy1964
08-11-2010, 03:53 AM
Excellent photos, Low Flyer. The King Tiger is particularly cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AndyJWest
08-11-2010, 06:50 AM
What, no photo of the underside of the Cromwell, L_F? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Only kidding, though I seem to remember there was a step in the hull, and possibly some bolts or rivets - I suspect the underside armour was thicker at the front, which would make sense. It just goes to show how long-term memory works, I can remember details even now, after thirty years, and the head-scratching involved in figuring out the best way to break it down into mouldable parts. Maybe I should look at getting the Tamiya kit myself (I've got to finish the Dauntless first).

I like the looks of the Cromwell. Functional and unfussy.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-11-2010, 07:02 AM
...and easy to paint. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Picked up a great book there with lots of photographic inspiration for Cromwells and other British armour in NW Europe, as well as the obligitory 'Osprey'. Just having my customary dither as to which markings to put on it.

On with the show - Staghound armoured car, an oddity in that it was built by the U.S, but never used by U.S. forces. I've got one of these due for an appearance in the modelling thread soon (fighting with the Cromwell for my attention), so took a few refs. Note weld seam on rear of turret looking like join on bad kit...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3771.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3740.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3738.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3746.jpg


More soon...

ploughman
08-11-2010, 07:08 AM
The wife's brother and family were there yesterday and apparrently the Gulf Emirate of Kuwait has gone done spent an aweful lot of money providing some sort of arena for hot tank action. Well thank you Kuwait.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-11-2010, 07:22 AM
Yes indeedy, old chum! Most days in the summer there's something clanking around in the arena at 1p.m.

If you're lucky, they'll give a WWII tank or two a run out and tell you about doctrines, tactics and stuff. Last time I was there a Sherman did a little show. This time it was a panto-style British v Jordanian Chieftan encounter complete with 'It's behind you!' shouts from the audience as the 'baddie' entered - I'm not joking (note raised engine deck on Jordanian version as only the British accepted Leyland engines in their main battle tank).

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3813.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3816.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3817.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3822.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3821.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3827.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3828.jpg

More soon...

raaaid
08-11-2010, 07:56 AM
one question about tanks i bet noone is able to answer:

why nato tanks and israeli tanks have this same markings ^,v?

i guess its to tell the world that who really rules it is israel

KRISTORF
08-11-2010, 09:41 AM
Nice photo's mate, the new building is a big improvement on the old, and the displays are great.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/Crom1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/Sher2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/Chief1.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-11-2010, 09:44 AM
Oooooh! That Cromwell shot went straight to hard-drive! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

KRISTORF
08-11-2010, 09:49 AM
Went to Musee des Blindes, Saumur, near my Fathers house, got these. (not highjacking LF, just more tankie stuff)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1313.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1319.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1325.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1329.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1343.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1333.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1338.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1316.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1347.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-11-2010, 09:50 AM
More than welcome, old chum! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jagdgeschwader2
08-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Keep them coming chaps. Fantastic stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x277/Jagdgeschwader2/JG2Mobile.jpg

Zeus-cat
08-11-2010, 07:11 PM
"Went to Musee des Blindes, Saumur, near my Fathers house, got these. (not highjacking LF, just more tankie stuff)" KRISTORF

I was there in 1999. I shot 7 rolls of film in about two hours. I'd love to go back or go to Bovington some time. I also need to talk my buddy into going down to the Patton Museum near Fort Knox, Kentucky.

WTE_Galway
08-11-2010, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
one question about tanks i bet noone is able to answer:

why nato tanks and israeli tanks have this same markings ^,v?

i guess its to tell the world that who really rules it is israel

In the Nato case the chevron was used as a Coalition symbol in a few recent conflicts.

As far as the IDF go, its important to remember that Israel like to shuffle their unit markings around regularly for tactical reasons. Annoying for modelers .. I kno rite :P

AFAIK the basic IDF marking system is:

Battlion: Rings on the barrel of the main gun one ring for first etc etc

Company: indicated by the chevrons, V is first, > is second company, ^ is third and < is fourth company.

The platoon and the number of the tank in the platoon is indicated by a Hebrew letter on panels at the rear of the turret and sometimes the mudguard. (Aleph, Bet, Gimmel, Dalet for platoon and a number, 1, 2, 3 etc).

There may also be a geometric symbol ( star, circle, square) apparently representing regiment.

Ba5tard5word
08-12-2010, 01:36 AM
Great stuff guys. I've always been much more into military airplanes than tanks but I know several of these armor vehicles from games like Company of Heroes and it's great to see very good pics of them up close that are way better than what you'd get on wikipedia or other sites much of the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

This is an explanation of that weird coating they put on late-war German tanks, I always wondered what that was until LF noted it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmerit

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-12-2010, 02:52 AM
Glad you're enjoying it, chaps! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In my haste to get to work yesterday, I forgot to mention what a great shot this one is...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/tanks/100_1325.jpg


...you can see how 'Tiger fever' could take hold of nervous and inexperienced troops from that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


Nearing the end of my little tour - if anyone wants to post pics of their trips to armour collections here, please do - the more the merrier. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



Off to the desert with a Matilda, arse-end of a Crusader with rota-trailer, and a couple of Italian vehicles. The flame-thrower carrier is tiny...


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3788.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3752.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3753.jpg


http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3749.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3751.jpg


Some Frenchies, the carrier is also tiny...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3758.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3759.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3783.jpg

There's a much nicer preserved Char B (ex-Jersey Panzer unit) on semi-permenant loan from Bovington to the War Tunnels museum on Jersey.

More soon...

KRISTORF
08-12-2010, 08:38 AM
Well I am off back to France next week (Parents moved nearer Normandy), so there might be a trip to the beaches very soon.

Couple of Scimitars in the 'Ghan, courtesy of my old Regiment, The Life Guards

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/Helmandgeneral707.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/Helmandgeneral701.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/Helmandgeneral700.jpg

erco415
08-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Ok, Chris, you are NOT getting away without a little background on the wheel damage on that Scimitar. How it happened, how the vehicle runs when damaged that way, etc.


Please? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

LF, any shots of Stuarts or Lee/Grants?

KRISTORF
08-13-2010, 12:27 AM
Erco415,
First of, my mistake, the photo's are in Iraq, secondly,

The damage was from a (smallish) mine, type unknown.
The troop went into an unknown/unmarked minefield resulting in the damage shown.

A group of men dismounted and probed for mines (good old fashioned way, long metal rod and clenched rear cheeks) and led the tanks out.

The damaged one drove out as seen, then they changed the damaged road wheel 'in field'.

By all accounts it ran OK, if not a tad bumpy, but as the drive sprockets and tracks wern't damaged it was drivable

As a side note, the Brigade QM Dept (not Cav btw) refused to replace the damaged wheel until the old one was returned to stores, something about they thought the crew might have sold it for scrap......

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-15-2010, 11:56 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sounds like a storeman I used to know.

Rounding off the tour...



T-26 in Finnish colours...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3729.jpg



RAM cruiser tank - the only Canuck tank of WWII...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3760.jpg


Churchill - the last one built at the Vauxhaul factory and delivered straight to the museum, where it's been maintained ever since - 'low mileage & good working order'...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3805.jpg


Tortoise - a British big'un...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3762.jpg


Pershing - surpringly big...

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3779.jpg


And a couple of German 'old faithfuls'

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3765.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3735.jpg

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/Boxtops/Bovington/IMG_3776.jpg


That's all folks! Hope you enjoyed the show.

I intend to return to Bovington during the next few weeks to stock up on books and other goodies - will get Hellcat, Lee/Grant and Stuart shots while I'm there. Cheers, all! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KRISTORF
08-16-2010, 05:54 AM
I just love the PzIV's

Get some close ups of the Tiger, especially under the mantel and the only mark on it, where the British AT shell lodged between the gun and chassis in the turret ring.
Good job the crew panicked and bailed out, only way we could capture one at the time

Storemen eahh, I always hought a good storeman had empty shelves, all on someone else's tick then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jarink
08-16-2010, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
one question about tanks i bet noone is able to answer:

why nato tanks and israeli tanks have this same markings ^,v?

i guess its to tell the world that who really rules it is israel

In the Nato case the chevron was used as a Coalition symbol in a few recent conflicts.

As far as the IDF go, its important to remember that Israel like to shuffle their unit markings around regularly for tactical reasons. Annoying for modelers .. I kno rite :P

AFAIK the basic IDF marking system is:

Battlion: Rings on the barrel of the main gun one ring for first etc etc

Company: indicated by the chevrons, V is first, > is second company, ^ is third and < is fourth company.

The platoon and the number of the tank in the platoon is indicated by a Hebrew letter on panels at the rear of the turret and sometimes the mudguard. (Aleph, Bet, Gimmel, Dalet for platoon and a number, 1, 2, 3 etc).

There may also be a geometric symbol ( star, circle, square) apparently representing regiment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

During the First Gulf War (1990-91), a single large upward pointing chevron ^ was used as an indicator that the vehicle was with the coalition.

Further, tactical markings similar to the Israeli ones were used in combination with numerals and bars to indicate Battalion, company and even platoon.

This example (the flat tire was from an MLRS bomblet) shows the markings used by the 1st Infantry Division.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/jarink/Saudi36.jpg

The tens digit indicates the battalion with the underscore being used in Combat support units (Cav, Arty, MI, Engineers, etc). Service units (Brigade and Division trains) used a letter "S" in front of the numeral. In this case, "80" was the 101st Military Intelligence Battalion, my unit.

The ones digit indicated the company. 0 would be the HQ company, 1, Alpha, 2 Bravo, etc.

The chevron indicated platoon. ^ was 1st Plt, > 2nd Plt, v 3rd Plt and < 4th Plt.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-16-2010, 06:30 PM
Damn, I clicked expecting this:

http://gerrirussell.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/italian_knight_armor.jpg

http://www.globaleffects.com/C_pages/Rental/Wardrobe/Armor/Period/CompleteSuit/Oriental/ArmorSamurai736_hi.jpg

http://www.globaleffects.com/C_pages/Rental/Wardrobe/Armor/Period/CompleteSuit/European/ArmorFS708_hi.jpg

WTE_Galway
08-16-2010, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Damn, I clicked expecting this:

http://gerrirussell.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/italian_knight_armor.jpg

http://www.globaleffects.com/C_pages/Rental/Wardrobe/Armor/Period/CompleteSuit/Oriental/ArmorSamurai736_hi.jpg

http://www.globaleffects.com/C_pages/Rental/Wardrobe/Armor/Period/CompleteSuit/European/ArmorFS708_hi.jpg

That second guy sure is ugly.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
08-17-2010, 03:18 AM
http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus?service=DynamicAsset&sp=SU5mxm4Yx%2FVbg9LVP7MZLDqo6z5lhONBxez%2FYx5EhVS CZjU0bcvvsnPxkoLiFJnF9QzRY98OZwV1b%0AfnOjhdzPJCrGy %2BOIZxfXys9Yi8S8yOK8iTtcRTfWdZqlPqbqrNmy&sp=Simage%2Fjpeg

You groovers ought to get someone to take a tour around the Wallace Collection...


http://www.wallacecollection.o...ctions/armsandarmour (http://www.wallacecollection.org/thecollection/collections/armsandarmour)