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Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 05:37 AM
Here are some pictures of a 1891 Mauser Sword Bayonet I have. From the research I have done, it was issued to the navy for the german military from 1891 till 1915 or 1916 before it was fully withdrawn and replaced with a more modern bayonet.

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 05:37 AM
Here are some pictures of a 1891 Mauser Sword Bayonet I have. From the research I have done, it was issued to the navy for the german military from 1891 till 1915 or 1916 before it was fully withdrawn and replaced with a more modern bayonet.

Celeon999
05-17-2007, 05:50 AM
Wow that one is beautiful.

I have one of its successor for my K98k which has the same adapter piece on its grip but no barrel ring.

I cant post pics as this pic gallery allows only text reponses.

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 06:01 AM
I guess that was an error on my place, I orignally clicked allow post by other people but i had to close it out and re open it.

Ironic thing is that I found this one in my grandmothers attic. It was probably something my grandfather picked up during or after WWII. But it been in the attic since he passed away in 195*. Im in the process of hunting down a 1891 to 1915 Mauser rifle even if its just a prop so I have something to attach the bayonet to.

Celeon999
05-17-2007, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rusty_S85:
I guess that was an error on my place, I orignally clicked allow post by other people but i had to close it out and re open it.

Ironic thing is that I found this one in my grandmothers attic. It was probably something my grandfather picked up during or after WWII. But it been in the attic since he passed away in 195*. Im in the process of hunting down a 1891 to 1915 Mauser rifle even if its just a prop so I have something to attach the bayonet to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahhh it looks like i get the normal reply window when it use the "reply with quote" function. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here is mine. The length of the blade was reduced but i believe the mounting pieces in the grip are identical.

There should be some numbers or letters encarved in the blade. Thats the manufacturers code.

Mine is S/241 which stands for Clemen & Jung


http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2899/267904zb4.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9336/2679042ut1.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4899/2679043ec2.jpg

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 06:22 AM
Mine says C 23 20 on the scabbard and the blade, and on the other side of the blade it says "Weyersberg Kirschbaum & Co Solingen" On the guard that has the rifle hole and the curve one side has a R and the other side has a P with a * figure at the bottom vertical line of the P. And it sports a RA logo that is ovaled just below the release button. On the scabbard it also has a D with a small x in the center of it.

Celeon999
05-17-2007, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rusty_S85:
Mine says C 23 20 on the scabbard and the blade, and on the other side of the blade it says "Weyersberg Kirschbaum & Co Solingen" On the guard that has the rifle hole and the curve one side has a R and the other side has a P with a * figure at the bottom vertical line of the P. And it sports a RA logo that is ovaled just below the release button. On the scabbard it also has a D with a small x in the center of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Thats interesting. Solingen was (and still is today) a city which is renowned for its huge metal and knife production industry.


Ive found informations about a manufacturing company with the name "Paul Weyersberg & Co Solingen".

Kirschbaum was propably a seperate company which co-produced the blades with Weyersberg at the time of the Weimar Republic (1918 - 1933)

They used the code W.u.K for some time.



Later the name Kirschbaum disappeared from lists of manufacturers and only Paul Weyersberg can be found.

Kirschbaum &lt;meaning Cherrytree&gt; is a typical german/jewish family name. Maybe thats the reason ?


Weyersberg used a set of different manufacturer codes over the years. One of it was the "P" , "crs" ,"TR","S/176" and later its entire name.


Here are some examples :

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3360/crsuz0.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4059/germany20849820rpfg2.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6296/jugoslavia20849820weyeraw2.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/395/tryf9.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4337/wukkh9.jpg

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 06:55 AM
I did a search for the whole name and didnt find much luck so i did a search for German bayonets and one of the sites that came up was ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/bayonets.htm#ARGENTINA )

And under Argentina and it has this model which is the one I found out was mine. ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/arg1891a.htm )

and from the link above I found out that the number C 2320 means that this bayonet was production number 32,320.

I orignally thought this was a U.S. Bayonet cause my grandfather was in the U.S. army in WWII and I thought it was a M1 bayonet or something to that extent. Then I noticed that it had german writing on it. I still dont know how he got the bayonet. Not sure if it was a german souviner he got during the war or if it was his parents or what (ancestors came from Poland, Czech, Germany, and Portugal)

Celeon999
05-17-2007, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rusty_S85:
I did a search for the whole name and didnt find much luck so i did a search for German bayonets and one of the sites that came up was ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/bayonets.htm#ARGENTINA )

And under Argentina and it has this model which is the one I found out was mine. ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/arg1891a.htm )

and from the link above I found out that the number C 2320 means that this bayonet was production number 32,320.

I orignally thought this was a U.S. Bayonet cause my grandfather was in the U.S. army in WWII and I thought it was a M1 bayonet or something to that extent. Then I noticed that it had german writing on it. I still dont know how he got the bayonet. Not sure if it was a german souviner he got during the war or if it was his parents or what (ancestors came from Poland, Czech, Germany, and Portugal) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Paul Weyersberg also had a logo

http://www.ssocr.com/collectorinfo/weyersb.gif


A knight was the logo of Weyersberg Kischbaum

http://www.ssocr.com/collectorinfo/wkc.gif

There was another company called Gottfried Weyersberg. Could be his father or something. Propably a small or middle sized family company.

You say there is a ovale logo with RA on it ? Can you post a pic ?

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rusty_S85:
I did a search for the whole name and didnt find much luck so i did a search for German bayonets and one of the sites that came up was ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/bayonets.htm#ARGENTINA )

And under Argentina and it has this model which is the one I found out was mine. ( http://www.arms2armor.com/Bayonets/arg1891a.htm )

and from the link above I found out that the number C 2320 means that this bayonet was production number 32,320.

I orignally thought this was a U.S. Bayonet cause my grandfather was in the U.S. army in WWII and I thought it was a M1 bayonet or something to that extent. Then I noticed that it had german writing on it. I still dont know how he got the bayonet. Not sure if it was a german souviner he got during the war or if it was his parents or what (ancestors came from Poland, Czech, Germany, and Portugal) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Paul Weyersberg also had a logo

http://www.ssocr.com/collectorinfo/weyersb.gif


A knight was the logo of Weyersberg Kischbaum

http://www.ssocr.com/collectorinfo/wkc.gif

There was another company called Gottfried Weyersberg. Could be his father or something. Propably a small or middle sized family company.

You say there is a ovale logo with RA on it ? Can you post a pic ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it has a RA in a oval on the handle of the bayonet, and on the scabbard the ball at the end of the scabbard has the same RA in a oval. My camera even with zoom blurs the image up but I found one online of a Silver handled 1891.

http://www.worldbayonets.com/db_B1079-2.jpg

http://therionarms.com/sold/com018e.jpg

Stingray-65
05-17-2007, 10:42 AM
Those are sweet! I have one for my Mauser that is like Celeon's but I think his is nicer than mine.

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 11:00 AM
Im looking to really get into collecting old bayonets. But the thing I really want to get into is collecting old german machine pistols and machine guns. Only thing is I cant find them no wheres even when I search for say MG 42 for sale, it comes up with just parts for sale or a display model for sale that dosent fire.

Celeon999
05-17-2007, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stingray-65:
Those are sweet! I have one for my Mauser that is like Celeon's but I think his is nicer than mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Got mine from ebay and paid about 60 Euros for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


Pretty expensive but the german ones (without barrel ring) are generally more expensive and additionaly this one had not the slightest touch of rust and is pretty sharp.

First i wanted to buy a cheaper one but somehow i fell in love with the perfect condition it was/is in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Rusty_S85
05-17-2007, 11:32 AM
lol I checked ebay to try and figure out the value of mine. Seen one that was pure rust and it was selling for $70. Guess that guy who bidded $70 either really wanted it or was crazy.

While looking online for $250 usd I found a 1891 Mauser bolt action rifle. Too bad I dont have $250 to spend freely. Unless I postpone getting my new computer and use $250 of that for the rifle.

Stingray-65
05-17-2007, 03:48 PM
Get the rifle. They're getting increasingly hard to find (in any condition) & you'll have it for the rest of your life unless you decide to get rid of it. Computers are everywhere & don't last very long in comparison.

Rusty_S85
05-18-2007, 01:55 AM
Thats what I was thinking. I also found a brand new M1 Grand rifle which was built using orignal military specs and the same company is selling that one for $1240.

I would love to get a MG 34 or MG 42 but the only MG 42 I found was listed at $15,000. Not only that but I found out theres alot more paperwork to go through with getting a automatic weapon over a plan semi automatic.