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jamesdietz
05-20-2008, 09:40 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/mys1.jpg

DKoor
05-20-2008, 09:45 AM
Did the Russians captured Blohm und Woss dev team at some point in the war?

jamesdietz
05-20-2008, 09:54 AM
Actually its pre-1941!
Another view...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/myst2.jpg

joeap
05-20-2008, 10:08 AM
Ahh wow?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

jadger
05-20-2008, 10:38 AM
it took a while for those pics, then all i got were red X's... what is it?

mortoma
05-20-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm not seeing any pictures at all.

jadger
05-20-2008, 12:42 PM
now I see it

major_setback
05-20-2008, 12:46 PM
What plane is that?
It would have been fun to have had that included in the 1946 package.

dirkpit7
05-20-2008, 01:00 PM
There is an article about this plane in recent Aeroplane magazine. It looks interesting for sure.

ytareh
05-20-2008, 01:02 PM
Personally I use the '1946' planes so little they may as well not be there .In fact there may be one or two I have never flown...Dont think most users would want MORE of these planes ...
Servers with these planesets also seem very badly populated...

dirkpit7
05-20-2008, 01:27 PM
As JD already said, this plane is actually pre-war design!

It is a Belyaev DB-LK bomber, designed by Viktor Belyaev. Only one prototype was build, which flew for the first time on March 8, 1940. It was destroyed during Operation Barbarossa in October 1941.

Engines: 2x970 hp Mikulin M-87B radial
Max speed: 245 mph at sea level
Armament: 6x7.62 ShKas MG, 620lb bomb load

'Pilots noted that the experimental bomber was easy to fly and did not differ from ordinary aeroplanes as far as its flying characteristics were concerned. The main drawbacks were low maximum speed, which fell short of the specification requirements, and high take-off and landing speeds.'

Source: Article in Aeroplane, May 2008 issue.

RedToo
05-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Interesting plane indeed:

http://www.tgplanes.com/Public/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=927

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/dblk-7.gif

RedToo.

M_Gunz
05-20-2008, 04:42 PM
IIRC the standards for models (with some few notable exceptions) required blueprints and
interior pictures. Perhaps those relaxed somewhat later, we did not have the Pe's earlier
than we did over lack of such information and they were much more important.

Aaron_GT
05-20-2008, 05:54 PM
Are you sure that's not from the Crimson Skies game?

Worf101
05-21-2008, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Are you sure that's not from the Crimson Skies game?

You read my mind Aaron. I could swear I flew that suckah. Cept it had a lot of honking big canon hanging all over it.

Da Worfster

Brain32
05-21-2008, 07:04 AM
Wow this must be the ugliest..."flying thing" as I can't call something like THAT an airplane, I ever saw in my life http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

DKoor
05-21-2008, 07:44 AM
Teh Crimson Skies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif .

DuxCorvan
05-21-2008, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
IIRC the standards for models (with some few notable exceptions) required blueprints and
interior pictures. Perhaps those relaxed somewhat later, we did not have the Pe's earlier
than we did over lack of such information and they were much more important.

Well, interior pictures are important and necessary. But many important, well documented aircraft were omitted because of very different reasons -though they told us it was because of the issue above.

And lack of piccies wasn't a problem to include fictional aircraft or mere designs like Bf 109Z, Ta 183 or Lerche, or very scarcely documented ones, like I-185, BI series, MiG-3U or Go 229.

BWaltteri
05-21-2008, 12:59 PM
We will always have the TB-3.

I love all the freak planes.


The next expansion will probably be 1930's, who knows.

M_Gunz
05-22-2008, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
IIRC the standards for models (with some few notable exceptions) required blueprints and
interior pictures. Perhaps those relaxed somewhat later, we did not have the Pe's earlier
than we did over lack of such information and they were much more important.

Well, interior pictures are important and necessary. But many important, well documented aircraft were omitted because of very different reasons -though they told us it was because of the issue above.

And lack of piccies wasn't a problem to include fictional aircraft or mere designs like Bf 109Z, Ta 183 or Lerche, or very scarcely documented ones, like I-185, BI series, MiG-3U or Go 229. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Later on in the series when 3rd parties did or initiated the addons, yes. I can't say how
much documents on the BI program there are in Russia but perhaps you actually know better.

The Gotha never flew as we have it, nor Ta-183 nor Lerche. Salamander? 109Z?

I would have been happier with relaxed rules to allow a WWI fighter set. The entire Red
Baron community including a lot who haven't played that in years would have bought that!

PanzerAce
05-22-2008, 10:57 PM
Actually, the Horten (NOT a gotha in reality) -229, He-162, and 109Z ALL flew, and in some cases, like the -229, there are still copies extant in the world (The smithsonian has a -229 awaiting restoration currently, there is a -162 in great condition in the imperial war museum, and the Z was well documented). The issue isn't so much the existence of blue prints and designs, but rather finding them.

jarink
05-23-2008, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
Actually, the Horten (NOT a gotha in reality) -229, He-162, and 109Z ALL flew, and in some cases, like the -229, there are still copies extant in the world (The smithsonian has a -229 awaiting restoration currently, there is a -162 in great condition in the imperial war museum, and the Z was well documented). The issue isn't so much the existence of blue prints and designs, but rather finding them.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that there are numerous other planes that are not included in the planeset that also still exist, are far better documented, and most importantly, are much, much more important to a WWII combat flight simulator.

And yes, I understand there are other (legal) issues that prevented the inclusion of some planes.

While I understand the 1946 planes from a marketing perspective, the inclusion of some of them (especially the Lerche) put a big hurt on Maddox's credibility that all the planes in the game are modeled as correctly as possible with no bias due to nationality or personal preference. They outright admitted that they had to make numerous changes to the historical Lerche designs and plans to make it actually fly and that the main reason it was included is that one of the devs liked it and wanted something different to do. I don't know about anyone else, but it really makes me wonder what "pet" planes got special attention.

jamesdietz
05-23-2008, 09:52 AM
Utterly useless but what fun:
The entire Dornier 17 series,flyable Me210,410,numerous Ju88 variations starting with night fighter,British Bombers of all sorts for virtual flying or AI,B-26,A-26,Hudson,Whirlwind,He-219...I'm sure there must be more....oh of course French planes...Dutch planes,Italian Bombers....
Most of these planes have a good deal of technical info available too...some I remember were going to be added into the sim some time ago... Now I know when ( dare I say if) BoB SoW appears some of these series of aircraft will appear, but the chances of them coming over to Il-2 are shall I say: non existent.
After stating all this & really wishing for a few , I do have to admit that I hardly fly most of the planes I already have,sticking mostly to German aircraft & of those with the 109 most of the time...I can hardly remember flying Russian or Japanese aircraft . I think I'd just be happy with most of the above aircraft in AI mode simply to make more variations in the missions.
I started this topic mostly because having spotted this goofy bird in Aeroplane Monthly I thought it would be fun to show off...I'm glad others agree.

johnnyB21990
05-23-2008, 08:46 PM
O_O once again WW2 planes are always pushing limits on how crazy the design can be,,,,....
&_&

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M_Gunz
05-23-2008, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
Actually, the Horten (NOT a gotha in reality)

Sorry, you're right!


-229, He-162, and 109Z ALL flew, and in some cases, like the -229, there are still copies extant in the world (The smithsonian has a -229 awaiting restoration currently, there is a -162 in great condition in the imperial war museum, and the Z was well documented). The issue isn't so much the existence of blue prints and designs, but rather finding them.

Yeah but did any of them fly as WE have in IL2? Perhaps yes the Salamander (He-162) and 109Z?

I have to agree with your last on the issue. Perhaps some other issues made a difference wrt
a number of US planes. I still wonder if that will impact SOW.

There's a LOT of planes I would like to have had but I can't fault Maddox Games for not including
them in IL2. We got way more than planned as it is and who decided on the 1946 set?

Imagine if the SOW series works out well, might there be umpteen addons all as options, the
way that models are sold for FS and CFS? As long as the standard holds throughout, I would
be happy. I mean, it's possible and from interviews I think that it's probable.

Badsight-
05-24-2008, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
Actually, the Horten (NOT a gotha in reality) -229, He-162, and 109Z ALL flew.
well , untill "46" , there was only one plane in FB that never existed

the 109Z

what we have in FB , a G based Bf-109Z , was only a mock-up

it certinaly never flew

jamesdietz
05-26-2008, 09:10 AM
Here's a few more pics from the article,includidng some nice detail of parts of the interior,plus a model of what promised to be a new & improved version...something Captain Midnight surely would have wanted...or should have been in Crimson Skies...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/r3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/r1.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/r2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/r4.jpg