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Bearcat99
03-21-2008, 04:39 PM
10 most historically innacurate movies (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/10mosthistoricallyinaccurate.html)....

Now before anyone goes on a tear... and I know many of our British friends who may have a stroke tryiong to type so fast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ... I would hope that most of us can separate entertainment from a history lesson .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif so this is more to poke fun... HUMOR... than anything else... so lets try to keep it in that vein.

Pirschjaeger
03-21-2008, 06:06 PM
"Persian king Xerxes was not an 8-foot-tall Cirque du Soleil reject. "

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Schwarz.13
03-21-2008, 08:29 PM
BRAVEHEART?!?

FFS!

The Battle of Stirling Bridge!!!

Where was the bridge, or for that matter the river?!?

ploughman
03-21-2008, 08:54 PM
Tit.

Schwarz.13
03-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Tit.

I assume you are referring to me sir!

And whilst i usually would become most indignant, i realize that i didn't read the original post or link properly - i be drunketh.

Therefore i shall ignore the your 'tit' fot the time being...

jadger
03-21-2008, 10:30 PM
While I personally hate the pretentious movie that is "300" I must point out an error in their statement. Though this paean to ancient moral codes and modern physical training is based on the real Battle of Thermopylae, the film takes many stylistic liberties. ... the movie is actually based on a comic book, or graphic novel if you don't want to be called a nerd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Sure the comic book is (very loosely) based on the battle, but still... you can't possibly think after watching that movie that it was based on anything remotely true.

Control_Damage
03-22-2008, 03:14 AM
Krakatoa, East of Java http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Historically inaccurate....maybe, geographically inaccurate....definitely.

Whirlin_merlin
03-22-2008, 04:08 AM
Sorry BC going to have to get serious.
It's not rivet counting that gets people peeved.
It's when liberties are taken with the lives of real people, when heroic achievments are taken away and applied to someone else or worse when a person is villified falsly.(like the chap in titanic).
When a film uses the wrong uniform or whatever so what, it's funny. Messing the peoples memories well that's wrong.

WN_Barbarossa
03-22-2008, 06:54 AM
A historical/military analysis of "300":

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8516&IBLOCK_ID=35

"Leonidas actually says, and this is a quote, "Freedom isn't free"! I thought I was back watching Team America: "Freedom isn't free/It costs a dollar ninety-three..." "


And a good comic strip about the future of historical movies:

http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF209-Now_Showing.jpg

jadger
03-22-2008, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Sorry BC going to have to get serious.
It's not rivet counting that gets people peeved.
It's when liberties are taken with the lives of real people, when heroic achievments are taken away and applied to someone else or worse when a person is villified falsly.(like the chap in titanic).
When a film uses the wrong uniform or whatever so what, it's funny. Messing the peoples memories well that's wrong.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif +1

Badsight-
03-22-2008, 02:56 PM
oh please

freedom costs a buck-o-five

NOT! a "dollar ninety-three" . . . . . duh!

jarink
03-22-2008, 03:46 PM
What? No Pearl Harbor? I'm outraged. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Anyone else notice that there's 3 Mel Gibson movies? Seems like a writer has a certain axe to grind, especially considering the non-mention of PH.

I also really, really don't understand why 2001 would be on the list (other than to piss people off). Sure, we know now that that's not what life was like in 2001, but the movie was made IN FREAKIN' <span class="ev_code_yellow">1968</span>!!!

Bearcat99
03-22-2008, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by WN_Barbarossa:

A historical/military analysis of "300" (http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8516&IBLOCK_ID=35)

"Leonidas actually says, and this is a quote, "Freedom isn't free"! I thought I was back watching Team America: "Freedom isn't free/It costs a dollar ninety-three..." "

And a good comic strip about the future of historical movies:


Man... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif now THAT was a good writeup... no quotes please... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Sorry BC going to have to get serious.
It's not rivet counting that gets people peeved.
It's when liberties are taken with the lives of real people, when heroic achievments are taken away and applied to someone else or worse when a person is villified falsly.(like the chap in titanic).
When a film uses the wrong uniform or whatever so what, it's funny. Messing the peoples memories well that's wrong.

Well I learned a long long time ago to not look for truth in films... even the ones that try to pass them selves off as accurate depictions of history. If it isnt a documentary I take it with a boulder of salt... if it IS a documentary then I use the proverbial grain.

I dunno.... maybe it was after seeing the way that African American contributions to American history were written out in hollywood for so long... and that of course is not to change the subject... but.... that's one reason why I dont get but so upset about it...

I can't tell you how many times I have seen films where even a character is portrayed... by name even in one memorable case of an old western film from the 50s I think.. but the portrayal is so far from the truth and not a peep. So an 8 foot Leonidas.... or Americans snatching Enigma from U-571..... they dont bother me. They are just movies.

Books... books are where it is at... and even then you have to choose wisely.

jadger
03-23-2008, 01:54 AM
Man... now THAT was a good writeup... no quotes please...

really? I thought it was total ****. the author was more bent on insulting supposed neo-cons and his former university prof than he was actually reviewing the movie. Yes Spartan civilization was very different than ours, but this movie isn't based on real life, but a comic book. The movie has to be made at least a little bit like modern society so people can relate to the characters. After all, who hasn't had a ugly ogre-like man come and try and join your army.

WN_Barbarossa
03-23-2008, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
Yes Spartan civilization was very different than ours, but this movie isn't based on real life, but a comic book. The movie has to be made at least a little bit like modern society so people can relate to the characters.

Fine. If it's a comic book movie based on fantasy, why is the Greek/European/White side called "Spartan" and the barbaric, eastern, dark skinned horde called "Persian". After all, if so many historical fact was changed, they could have changed those names too.

Frank Miller could have made a wonderful fairy tale, where Greek-like spearmen fight bravely against some monster-army and he still could have named it "300".

BTW have you seen this comic strip:
Stalin vs Hitler (http://johnl.org/articles/comics/stalinv****ler.php)

(the link is doesn't work because vS HITler is written together and the CAPS part get censored. Delete the *-s and retype the missing letters)

I can't wait to see the movie about WW2 based on it.

DKoor
03-23-2008, 03:09 PM
Nice stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jadger
03-23-2008, 03:16 PM
you misunderstand, the movie is based on a comic book that takes its basic premise from the battle of Thermopylae. One can't say the movie is bad because it isn't historically accurate, when it was never meant to be historically accurate in the first place.

That's like saying The Matrix movies were bad because they defied the laws of physics and gravity.

Don't get me wrong, I hated 300 as well, but one can't criticize it for not being something it didn't pretend to be in the first place. 300 comic book wiki entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28comics%29)