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Danschnell
02-16-2006, 02:41 AM
Hi everyone.

I've been flying the MC205 series 1 lots recently in offline campaigns. It rocks. Some very small details are modelled well. I love the digital ammo readout. Also, the wings are modelled being longer and shorter than each other. Not much torque on cruise power, but when I ran out of fuel I was going to do an emergency landing on a road. Big mistake! When the engine is off those torque reducing wings caused my plane to become uncontrollable so I had to gain altitude with my plane swinging violently and then bail. Close one.

HotelBushranger
02-16-2006, 02:43 AM
What do you reckon about armament? I'm a complete Series III lover, but I think the I would only be a tiny bit more manouverable, but a LOT weaker in terms of firepower. Any thoughts?

nakamura_kenji
02-16-2006, 03:10 AM
feel like less agile ki-61 even same weapon option seem also 2x7.7/2x12.7, 4x12.7 , 2x12.7 2x mg151-20

nice plane horrible roll rate/visibilty cockpit but i like

269GA-Veltro
02-16-2006, 04:59 AM
Yes, the roll rate is quite strange...BTW, it could help us the rudder.
We have to roll using also the rudder, and not only the ailerons.

SnailRunner
02-16-2006, 05:09 AM
202 fan here...like it alot, weak guns..well depends on how you use them, visibility in cocpit well i got used to it..great plane....

FltLt_HardBall
02-16-2006, 07:00 PM
In the 205 you can feather the prop. AFAIK you can't do that in any other single-engined aircraft in-game.

BTW, I think the cocpit visibility isn't bad; compared to a contemporary 109 anyway... at least you can track an enemy pulling through an elevator turn without losing it in the canopy bars. The gunsight isn't too good when you're aiming at a target coming from your right as the cockpit bar gets in the way, but if you use the "un-shift-1" view you can still see the centre of the reticle, and there's a little more space between the sight and the cockpit bar. I like the 205. I like all the new Italian planes, actually

Danschnell
02-18-2006, 05:52 AM
I like the series 1 not the series 3. The weaker armament I like. You have to be more accurate, and get a better feeling if you shoot something down. I don't like flying late series of any aircraft because you get used to being 'uber' and it takes all the fun away if your plane is uber. I love those 7.92mm tracers that dip after a few meters. You have to get in close to hit then you do lots of damage at point blank.

MOH_NoXiuS
02-18-2006, 06:15 AM
I hope that the roll rate and the overall maneuverability will be fixed in the near future, those birds were excellent dogfighters in real life.

My 2 cents.

BorisGruschenko
02-19-2006, 03:35 PM
I really love this plane - perhaps it´s less effective than a 109, but look at that bella figura ! Molto Grazie to everyboby who contributed to have it in this sim. Btw., I noticed that the Mc.202/205 lack an aileron and rudder trim whereas the 200 series planes still have this feature. Is this historically accurate, because the engineers considered a trim unnecessary due to the asymmetric wing-layout ?But if so - wasn´t the 200 asymmetric too ? Just wondering.

Bula
02-20-2006, 02:48 PM
I just left Greater Green's server, which had a Pantelleria map on it. I chose the 205 Serie I and took off. This is what I learned...

1. It's relatively maneuverable, but don't DF on the horizontal against Spit Vs! However, I found the 205 could take on P38s and P39s on something like equal terms. I got my first online kill in the 205 Mk I against a P39N.

2. The armament stinks. For a poor shot like me, it took almost half my ammo to bring down the P39. I also emptied I don't know how many rounds into B25s without doing any appreciable damage.

3. Engine overheating is a huge problem! I would open the radiator to position 6 and increase the throttle to no more than 95%--and still the engine would overheat. Reducing the throttle to 75% helped to bring it back to normal temperature, but immediately increasing throttle to over 80% resulted in another overheat, only this time the engine blew. I managed to get back to base and crashland, but it was very disappointing. Each time I went up, the engine would overheat. I tried different solutations, e.g., running with the radiator open and no more than 92% throttle--yet the thing would still overheat. It's the same engine as that found in the 109G2, right? Yet the 109G2's engine doesn't overheat this easily.

4. Landing is difficult. If your engine is blown, the a/c drops a wing and you crash. If your speed is too low, the a/c drops a wing and you crash. I tried with higher speed and broke the undercarriage. There's a happy medium in there that I'm missing. Oddly, I've had no problems landing the 202.

Despite the drawbacks, I really like this Macchi. It's fast (when the engine isn't overheating) and pretty good at low and medium altitudes. I hope more servers offer it in the future.

Willey
02-21-2006, 05:01 PM
The ammo counters are mixed up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I got my right cannon in S III knocked out lately, and the right counter was running down while shooting just the left gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

HayateAce
02-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Bula:
I found the 205 could take on P38s and P39s on something like equal terms..

Only if the P38 flier is a hopeless tard.

VW-IceFire
02-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Am I the only one not completely underwhelmed by the performance of the Breda 12.7mm machine guns? Every other type of machine gun in that class seems to be far an above superior.

I've put entire loads of ammo into a target for almost no effect and its low muzzle velocity makes deflection shooting difficult. Is this the way the weapon really was?

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 07:45 PM
the Macchi 12,7mm SAFATs are realy the worst HMG in game. its said that they were actually the worst of WW2 - but this way.........

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/2661028414

compare them to the FIAT SAFAT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Abraxa
02-22-2006, 07:07 AM
plus, high-explosive rounds, normally used for the SAFATs are not modelled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

leitmotiv
02-22-2006, 02:40 PM
While on the subject of Macchis (I have a crush on the 205), I am deeply enjoying battling Hurricane Is with the MC200. As for the 12.7s---most definitely you will run through your ammunition quick unless you get into Hartmann range (reading the tire pressure info on the tail wheel). At 100m or so all I can do is smash the Hurk's radiator.

Rickustyit
02-23-2006, 03:43 AM
Hmmm... I'm really thinking there is something wrong with the Breda machine guns.
At first I thought they were ok, but now, after having played a lot, I find them REALLY ineffective, even against fighters.
They were 12,7mm machine guns after all, not firecrackers... It's a rather big caliber and a damage from a bullet of that diameter (and especially when it's supposed to be explosive) were not minor.

They are much less powerful than the American 12,7mm Brownings (they had a higher muzzle velocity though) and are even a little less powerful than the 13mm guns mounted on the german planes.

Abraxa, I think they modeled the explosive rounds, as if you watch closely , you will see some flashes every 2 or 3 rounds when you hit an enemy airplane.
As for downing a bomber... those Bredas are pratically useless and they don't seem to start a fire on the fuel tanks either!

Anyone have a detailed data about what ammunition did the Italian fighters carry during the war?
I remember there were explosive and incendiary rounds in the belt.

Rick

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3530/macchi202b7rk.jpg

Rickustyit
02-23-2006, 03:05 PM
Bump...

And, have you ever tried to use the additional 2 x 7,7mm Breda SAFAT guns on the C.202 later series ? Haha, they're a joke: I just finished a test, and I probably emptied around 400 rounds (and I repeat, 400 bullets! But probably more, I just fired from point blank range, emptied all the about 1000 total bullets carried on board) into an Hurricane without visual damage! There was just a slight fuel leak, the plane and the pilot just flew away as never happened.

Now... I understand they were small caliber guns, but they still were "guns" in the true sense of the word. I wasn't firing against a tank, but against a plane made mostly of metal and fabric covers.

Three 20mm hits can usually cause a fighter to go down (and I know they used high explosive shells), but 400 solid rounds of 7,7mm are absolutely useless. I think there's something strange here.

Rick

zoomar
02-24-2006, 07:39 PM
I've always heard weak armament was the principle problems with the Mc202/205 series, so I've know problem with the weak Bredas. Offline, I've been able to shoot down a variety of planes.

But the cockpit! So realistic you can almost smell the machine oil and leather. Along with the J8, these new Italian planes have by far the best pits in the whole series.

DIRTY-MAC
02-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Aim for the cockpit when they turn and you will do alwright in the Stallions

Marcel_Albert
02-24-2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by zoomar:
I've always heard weak armament was the principle problems with the Mc202/205 series, so I've know problem with the weak Bredas. Offline, I've been able to shoot down a variety of planes.

But the cockpit! So realistic you can almost smell the machine oil and leather. Along with the J8, these new Italian planes have by far the best pits in the whole series.

Nah , best cockpit IMO are I-185 , BF-110 and Me-262 along with J8A true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-25-2006, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:

Nah , best cockpit IMO are I-185 , BF-110 and Me-262 along with J8A true http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

My oppinion as one of the two optimistic guys who spent alot nerves on modelling the Macchi cockpits (optical impressions only here):

Well, at first, the I-185 cockpit is out of the callenge, because it uses some 512pxl textures instead of only 256pxl. Seems to have been a test cockpit for BoB features... or who knows.

Me110 and Me262 are quite equal in my eyes, very well done - a quality we always tried to reach. I think we did. But I think Fw190s and Ta152 cockpits are a bit better. I wonder why they get mentioned so rarely.
Also some of the japanese cockpits are quite well in the same quality level. F4F too.

J8A ist top of the art - the best in game. Still. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And my favorite Macchi cockpit is Mc200, BTW.
Nethertheless - I would like to rework them all a bit... its a year ago and I learned alot in modelling since then.
Still I wonder why the mirrors are looking so porked. I always switch them off by that. Modelers are unfortunately not responsible for whats shown IN the mirror. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Anyway, I want to say that every model, cockpit or extern, good or worse looking ... no matter.... there has been spend a lot of time and work into each one! Thx all my comrades - professionel or freelancers - for doing so much for this game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Rickustyit
02-25-2006, 04:49 AM
Caspar, those Macchi interiors are great!
They are among the best, if not THE best in the sim (together with the J8 of course).

Rick

zoomar
02-25-2006, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:

Nah , best cockpit IMO are I-185 , BF-110 and Me-262 along with J8A true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Actually, I don't like the I-185 pit all that much. Yes, it's very detailed and crisp, but almost too clean and clear. If it's a test for BoB, I'm disappointed. Bf-110 and Me262 are very good, as well as the Ki61/100 series and P39 and A20, but nothing beats that fantastic J8A. That one sets the standard. The textures are fantastic.

zoomar
02-25-2006, 09:33 AM
Just a thought. It would be great if you could customise cockpit appearance by adding a few stick on photos of girlfriends. wives, etc. as is really done, or to write sticky notes to yourself

pdog1
02-25-2006, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Rickustyit:
Anyone have a detailed data about what ammunition did the Italian fighters carry during the war?
I remember there were explosive and incendiary rounds in the belt.

Rick



Take a look at this.

http://xs69.xs.to/pics/06086/Folgore1.jpg

pdog1
02-25-2006, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Rickustyit:

And, have you ever tried to use the additional 2 x 7,7mm Breda SAFAT guns on the C.202 later series ? Haha, they're a joke: I just finished a test, and I probably emptied around 400 rounds (and I repeat, 400 bullets! But probably more, I just fired from point blank range, emptied all the about 1000 total bullets carried on board) into an Hurricane without visual damage! There was just a slight fuel leak, the plane and the pilot just flew away as never happened.

Now... I understand they were small caliber guns, but they still were "guns" in the true sense of the word. I wasn't firing against a tank, but against a plane made mostly of metal and fabric covers.

Rick

Its quite true that the 7.7mm were quite pathetic... they were only two of them... maybe if there was 8 of them like hurricane it would be different. This is the reason why most Macchi C202s did not have 7.7mm wing guns installed. They were useless and took up extra weight which was not needed. I wish Oleg would put option to remove 7.7mm wing guns in later model C202. For right now if you want that you have to fly Series III.

EJGrOst_Caspar
02-25-2006, 01:34 PM
Maybe remove the nose mounted 2 guns too? Anyway...they are useless... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Danschnell
02-25-2006, 02:57 PM
Yeah I do think the engine overheating is wrong. Same as a bf109 engine. Should not overheat.

Roll rate is undermodelled too.

Turn rate is fine, and those guns are fine too. They're weak, but they should be.

pdog1
02-25-2006, 04:13 PM
lol caspar, yes remove them and use Beretta 38 submachine gun to shoot down airplanes, those guns are accurate too!
Danschnell turn rate of what 205 is fine? I can't even out turn a hurricane with 202... maybe its just me i'm a horrible pilot but with 109 its easy to out turn hurricane... what can i say.

Rickustyit
02-25-2006, 04:21 PM
Nice photo pdog1...
So it seems there were 3 types of rounds, probably a tracer, an explosive and an incendiary?

As for the 7,7mm guns: it's true they were pathetic, but, c'mon, a full 400 or 500 bullets into a 1940 half-fabric-half-metal aircraft had to do something!

Another weird fact about the C.202 / C.205 is their compression problems at speeds of about 550 km/h... And their roll rate is horrible, true.

Rick

Willey
02-25-2006, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by pdog1:
Its quite true that the 7.7mm were quite pathetic... they were only two of them... maybe if there was 8 of them like hurricane it would be different. This is the reason why most Macchi C202s did not have 7.7mm wing guns installed. They were useless and took up extra weight which was not needed. I wish Oleg would put option to remove 7.7mm wing guns in later model C202. For right now if you want that you have to fly Series III.

Then fly the III.

III -> VII : 7,7mm wing guns
VII -> XII : armored windshield

That's the only differences I can find.

Pig_Mac
02-25-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Willey:

VII -> XII : armored windshield

That's the only differences I can find.

Thanks for the info on that one. I didn't find any difference.

pdog1
02-25-2006, 04:47 PM
Armored windshield helps when you're being shot at but not much good, needs armoured engine lol or at least not porked damage model...

Rickustyit
02-25-2006, 04:52 PM
http://forums-it.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/851105185/m/1181091604

Here it is! It's in italian (try to use babelfish).
The RA often used 3 types of rounds:
armor-piercing / incendiary / tracer

Rick

RocketDog
02-26-2006, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
My oppinion as one of the two optimistic guys who spent alot nerves on modelling the Macchi cockpits (optical impressions only here):


Caspar - thanks for all your work on the Macchis. Much appreciated!

Cheers,

RocketDog.

Marcel_Albert
02-27-2006, 07:18 AM
Yes of course , The Macchi cockpit are beautiful !

Thanks a lot for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I like to fly this plane a lot , it' s hard to fly it though because you can't see nothing behind despite the rear-view mirror and the armament is weak (except 205 serie III ) so you have to stay a long time behind the contacts to achieve kills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I didn't know that I-185 cockpit used better texture, thanks for telling me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well it's true the FW-190 cockpit is nice , but i prefer the 262 and 110 cockpit that look better done , IMO they are beautiful too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jds1978
02-27-2006, 05:15 PM
I really like the MC series...very nice planes...i still haven't figured how to use them though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

pdog1
02-27-2006, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Willey:

Then fly the III.

III -> VII : 7,7mm wing guns
VII -> XII : armored windshield

That's the only differences I can find.

Won't fly neither. No point in having the 202 in the game with its current flight model.
Your better off flying the 200 a little slower but at least you can follow someone in a turn and not stall and spin out lol.

Monson74
03-03-2006, 08:26 AM
There's something odd with the mirrors in all of the Macchis - or rather what you see in the mirrors - the canopy-bars look strangely thin in the 202s & in the 205s it seems there are two sets of them - the black thin ones & the big green ones. I can't see how this corresponds with the external model. Anyone?