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UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 03:23 PM
Yes, I have finished the story mode version of the game and, as Cas put it, I have come to pick the smallest nits XD.
This is my review of the game but I also want you guys opinions on what I have to say. do you agree or disagree? Why? etc.

First I'll start with my complaints, the bad of the game (or what I found to be so)
I understand that history was changed to appeal to the game's storyline so I won't be harsh about the historical accuracy, and here comes the infamous "but" WTF was with the Pazzi Conspiracy!? That is probably one of my most favorite moments in history and when it was all done and over in the game, I was left with a huge gaping hole of disappointment. I mean, it was such a clever and well planned attack which I saw none of in this scene! Also, I had loved when Bernardo had joked about having to drag Giuliano out of bed for church because in history that's was actually happened. We didn't get a chance to know Giuliano (or Lorenzo for that matter) to make a personal connection during his death. It was just...very anticlimactic and to lost with history for me to over look it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Next, in 1476, Leonardo da Vinci was charged with sodomy, which his arrest actually had to do with a conspiracy against the Medici. That would have done wonderful things for the story!!! Why it was left out escapes me.
While on the subject of Leonardo, I more to complain about. We, as the player, got to see Leonardo as a genius inventor, but never did we see him as a an artist. With all the theories behind his paintings I would think that Ubisoft would have snapped it all up! At one point Patrice was asked what his favorite scene in the game was and it was a scene when Leonardo began to ask Ezio why he has him build items of violence and Ezio revealed to his friend what he really does while Leonardo listened and said that he understood (despite him being against that type of thing). I SAW NOOO SUCH SCENE!!! and I was greatly looking forward to it! Then, like all the other characters, he suddenly disappeared! And I was very angry that my favorite character was now gone and that was it!
Well, come to think of it ALL the characters kind of did that now didn't they? Machiavelli, who's presence in the game I greatly relished, only appeared for about, what?...five minutes!!! You barely had a chance to talk with the guy! (though his dramatic entrance had my inner history-fangirl foaming at the mouth XD)
I didn't like that Ezio's mom never spoke again in the story mode (and I haven't got all the achievements or seen The Truth, so please refrain from spoiling stuff like that for me, just in case the collection of all feathers triggers something with his mother) and she had such a cool personality. I really liked her a lot.
Ezio seemed to be the only one who grew older also, character progression! Ezio was a brilliant character at the beginning of the game and you could tell that he began to change over time but soon his character became very flat, and during sequence 14 I didn't get the feeling of time passage beside the beard. Also, Ezio seemed to be the only character who was really "shown" to the player, I can understand this because he's the main character but we didn't really ever "get-to-know" any of the other character, they seemed so minor in the storyline even though they impacted it greatly.
Rome kind of disappointed me because I really wanted to explore such an awesome city. And I didn't like that we couldn't explore the majority of buildings, like the brothels or Da Vinci's workshop.
I didn't like that the story stayed in one city before moving on to the next, while the previous city wasn't brought up again. because of it we missed characters like Savonarola and Michelangelo who I thought would have given the story much more intrigue.
And what was up with the Animus glitch? Was that just a way to get from Sequence 11 to sequence 14? Or will we visit later? Because it just kind of seemed....odd.

I won't make any speculation about the ending, I loved it, I hated it. I didn't get the "I didn't see that coming" feeling but I have to say certain things did surprise me (like how Minerva spoke directly to Desmond and poor Ezio was left so confused XD)

^wow that was a lot of complaining. But trust me when I say I LOVED the game it was so beautiful and when it came to the gameplay itself it was better than I had ever expected! I loved the environments and the Assassin tombs we so fun and beautiful (especially the Duomo, do we ever get to go back btw?) I could go on and on and on about how amazing the game was. I loved how the cutscenes were more cinematic and the character designs and clothing were gorgeous and overall accurate.
I liked that there was romance present but not sickeningly so. Sometimes it made me smile XD

As I said I loved the game I can honestly say that there is no other game like it and never will be. Assassin's Creed will always remain my favorite video game franchise. But the story, especially towards the end, seemed like it was rushed, like REALLY rushed. And Altair seemed to have had more Character growth than Ezio did.
Was I expecting to much for the story? I realize it's a game and that things needed to be change to better work with the storyline.
I liked the game and I was very content with Desmond's story but Ezio's left me a bit....unsatisfied. I didn't feel that way with Altair's story. I felt that there were a lot of gaps for Ezio.
Maybe I expected too much.

Anyways, I would still give the game 10/10 from the bottom of my heart I truly loved and enjoyed it.
Thank you Ubisoft.

(cookie for anyone who reads this whole thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif and sorry for writing so much)

bladencrowd
11-25-2009, 03:33 PM
You forgot one thing. Combat was WAY too easy. Brutes and Seekers, which I hoped would dominate you in a fight beat, were laughably easy to kill. Perhaps I had to high of an expectation for the game as well.

So, where's my cookie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif ?

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 03:38 PM
Your cookie be here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad15/zelodiac/cookie.jpg

Combat didn't bug me so much actually.

thekyle0
11-25-2009, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
Yes, I have finished the story mode version of the game and, as Kyle put it, I have come to pick the smallest nits XD. Fixed.

*steals bladencrowd's cookie*

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 05:32 PM
Oh damn! It was you!
Man, I leave for a week and I lose my memory of the forum XD

bladencrowd
11-25-2009, 05:43 PM
More nits-

The Broom- I don't care how skilled Ezio is, a broom can't kill guard wearing armor. Especially a brute.

The Sky- Must be really windy in Renaissance Italy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif.

Kyle- Gimme my cookie back!

AetosEagle
11-25-2009, 06:07 PM
Shadows from buildings ticked like a clock.

Bladencrowd is right, what's up with the hurricane sky?

Brutes were easy.

I was never confronted with a seeker.

I never had my allies "hide" a body, like they did on the gameplay videos.

Flying mission was rushed and we saw no more of it.

Cinematics were dreadful, PS2 quality.

Ezio was a deadbeat character after he became a real Assassin.

Disappointment. I wait a good year for this game... It's like expecting a 5 course delicious meal, and getting a slice of carrot on the end of a cocktail stick, that's mouldy.

aHHiTzNoodle
11-25-2009, 06:25 PM
i agree with alot of the stuff here.......the cutscene's were for lack of a better word...wack...lol.....but the gameplay graphics were purty darn good!! I did think i was kinda goofy for the strongest guards to be the easiest to kill....brutes and seekers were easy as pie!!

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by bladencrowd:
More nits-

The Broom- I don't care how skilled Ezio is, a broom can't kill guard wearing armor. Especially a brute.

The Sky- Must be really windy in Renaissance Italy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif.

Kyle- Gimme my cookie back!

I don't care how unrealistic it was, I had a BLAST taking out guards with a broom XD

Yes the clouds moved really fast but I thought the sky looked to gorgeous for me to really mind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

nicky117
11-25-2009, 07:04 PM
i read all, i want my cookie [steals from thekyle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif]

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 07:14 PM
While eating dinner, I discovered another nit!
Caterina Sforza, who was only in the game for one scene http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, was supposed to have a big role.
In the earlier day, it was said that the famous event of Caterina's escape and the whole skirt lifting deal would be in the game....and it didn't happen
I really like that event!
WHERE ARE ALL THE SCENES YOU PROMISED US UBI!!!!!!
I wonder if they just ran out of time or something

bladencrowd
11-25-2009, 07:16 PM
I bet they did. The last few sequences seemed a bit rushed, and the "corrupt sequences" seemed too convenient an excuse for a time skip.

An_Idea
11-25-2009, 07:17 PM
well i thought ubi did an amazing job, and it was completely worth the wait, i actually liked the story, it kinda kept me from anything else it was so compelling. in ac1 i just would mess around and not really care about the assassination, in ac2 i just hadda know what happened next

but the ending did seem a bit rushed, well the missing segments could become dlc later on, thats what im hoping for

nicky117
11-25-2009, 07:19 PM
i know what you mean, way better than ac1, in my opinion

bladencrowd
11-25-2009, 07:23 PM
I got more nits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Abstergo guards- At least have tranquilizer darts or some type of firearm. Come on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif .

Shaun- Not enough witty insults http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

nicky117
11-25-2009, 07:25 PM
they cant have firearms cause they dont want to kill desmond, but still, tranquilizers are better for taking down without hurting them, hmmmm.....
EDIT: 100th post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

thekyle0
11-25-2009, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by nicky117:
i know what you mean, way better than ac1, in my opinion
It wouldn't be that graphic. They don't even have to show anything. Just put the camera behind Caterina's shoulder so that you can see her hand on the rim of her skirt as she lifts it about chest high. Nudity averted. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bladencrowd, mfulphmbmlphumble-gohmph...*gulps* Your cookie was delicious.

I agree that the combat was too easy. That's why I'm playing through the game again without purchasing any armor except the leather grieves, which I'm required to purchase anyway. Besides, once they're on they just look like part of Ezio's boots. They look cooler than the original boots as well.

Also, the QTE in the cutscenes where ridiculous. They would drop them at random times. Each one is hours of gameplay apart so that I had long forgotten them by the next came around and I wasn't ready. Now Ezio isn't hugging Leo. IT'S A TRAGEDY! It's like they decided to include them but realized that QTE are ******ed. So they went back and took them out but still forgot a few.

Also, the economic system is flawed. Apparently, every weapon Ezio buys is the last one that was ever made because you can't re-buy them later. You have to go back to the villa so that Ezio can get his special-last-in-stock-version of each one, otherwise he isn't willing to belt it to his hip. And so, I've decided to not buy any weapons except the lowest level dagger in my next playthrough. (without armor)

Originally posted by bladencrowd:
I got more nits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Abstergo guards- At least have tranquilizer darts or some type of firearm. Come on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif .

Originally posted by nicky117:
they cant have firearms cause they dont want to kill desmond, but still, tranquilizers are better for taking down without hurting them, hmmmm..... You can take people alive with firearms. How do you think hostage situations arise? Also, even if you don't use the firearm it can still help with taking a captive. If they aren't absolutely, 100% resolved then the threat of a firearm can cause a moment of hesitation and that is all you need to subdue somebody with non-lethal force. But my official prediction is that Abstergo had to cut some funding to their kidnapping division as a result of getting caught for poisoning that town's water supply.

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 07:48 PM
I missed the hug for Leonardo and it made me sad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (because he looked very sad too)
Just like when I couldn't buy the manikin for him (even though that wasn't my fault)

SWJS
11-25-2009, 07:52 PM
I pretty much agree on everything. I too wanted to see Leonardo bite Ezio's head off in Sequence 8, but nothing ever happened. After it was over, I was like "What? Where's the argument?"

I absolutely loved Desmond's part in the game, but there's one thing that bugs me. How the flimflam did Lucy get Ezio's hidden blade?!

I was also disappointed with the dyes, especially Venetian Azure. It wasn't blue, it was tan with a bit of blue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

The ending was AWESOME though. I wasn't expecting any references to the 2012 solar flare or anything so yeah. But Minerva's speech to Desmond was Epic Win.

Plus, Machiavelli = Assassin = Epic

That scene sent tingles down my spine.

Awesome game. Better than AC1.

UchihaKarasu
11-25-2009, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
I pretty much agree on everything. I too wanted to see Leonardo bite Ezio's head off in Sequence 8, but nothing ever happened. After it was over, I was like "What? Where's the argument?"

Seriously and Patrice even said it was his favorite part of the game (apparently he liked so much he didn't want to share http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)


Plus, Machiavelli = Assassin = Epic

That scene sent tingles down my spine.

I think I let out a high-pitched squeal when he appeared on the screen XD
I only wish he could have played a much bigger role


Awesome game. Better than AC1.


Amen to that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

bladencrowd
11-26-2009, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by thekyle0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nicky117:
i know what you mean, way better than ac1, in my opinion
It wouldn't be that graphic. They don't even have to show anything. Just put the camera behind Caterina's shoulder so that you can see her hand on the rim of her skirt as she lifts it about chest high. Nudity averted. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bladencrowd, mfulphmbmlphumble-gohmph...*gulps* Your cookie was delicious.

I agree that the combat was too easy. That's why I'm playing through the game again without purchasing any armor except the leather grieves, which I'm required to purchase anyway. Besides, once they're on they just look like part of Ezio's boots. They look cooler than the original boots as well.

Also, the QTE in the cutscenes where ridiculous. They would drop them at random times. Each one is hours of gameplay apart so that I had long forgotten them by the next came around and I wasn't ready. Now Ezio isn't hugging Leo. IT'S A TRAGEDY! It's like they decided to include them but realized that QTE are ******ed. So they went back and took them out but still forgot a few.

Also, the economic system is flawed. Apparently, every weapon Ezio buys is the last one that was ever made because you can't re-buy them later. You have to go back to the villa so that Ezio can get his special-last-in-stock-version of each one, otherwise he isn't willing to belt it to his hip. And so, I've decided to not buy any weapons except the lowest level dagger in my next playthrough. (without armor)


Originally posted by bladencrowd
I got more nits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Abstergo guards- At least have tranquilizer darts or some type of firearm. Come on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif .

Originally posted by nicky117:
they cant have firearms cause they dont want to kill desmond, but still, tranquilizers are better for taking down without hurting them, hmmmm..... You can take people alive with firearms. How do you think hostage situations arise? Also, even if you don't use the firearm it can still help with taking a captive. If they aren't absolutely, 100% resolved then the threat of a firearm can cause a moment of hesitation and that is all you need to subdue somebody with non-lethal force. But my official prediction is that Abstergo had to cut some funding to their kidnapping division as a result of getting caught for poisoning that town's water supply. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I completely agree. The QTE were fun in some cases, but other times they seemed forced in. I was glad the events were just itched by the last few sequences, but that could just be proof ubisoft ran out of time.

An_Idea
11-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
I missed the hug for Leonardo and it made me sad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (because he looked very sad too)
Just like when I couldn't buy the manikin for him (even though that wasn't my fault)

i know what u mean, when i missed the hug i felt so bad, and leonardo just sighed and said "its nothing" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Mitro-Blade
11-26-2009, 11:39 AM
There. I read the whole thing.

where is my cookie?

Btw. If i read it twice, can i get 2 cookies then? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

PlagueDoctor357
11-26-2009, 12:55 PM
My only complaint was really I missed the long winded conversations.

I guess as time progresses people are less ready to narc on their friends.

But then by the end of the game I was LOVING it.

Real popes, the templars actually finding Altairs piece of eden.

I kind of liked the rushed feeling because he was just killing for revenge, growing in character as he did.

Then he was meant to be in a void, lost in life which is why he seemed flat.

Then Da vinci and his other friend show up with big pieces of truth right in his face.

Again he discovers his purpose, only for his purpose to be a tool for Desmond to save the world.

I loved that scene, he was so lost and I felt kind of sad for him.

They must of cut those last parts with Caterina because Shaun mentions it as time progresses.

Sucks they cut those two sequences out. Maybe we'll get em as DLC.

bladencrowd
11-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Another nit

Courtesans- If you carry daggers with you then at least make an attempt to fight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

UchihaKarasu
11-26-2009, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Mitro-Blade:
There. I read the whole thing.

where is my cookie?

Btw. If i read it twice, can i get 2 cookies then? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

You only get one!
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad15/zelodiac/cookie.jpg

NuclearFuss
11-26-2009, 03:25 PM
This may sound noob-ish but what is this 'QTE' you speak of?

PlagueDoctor357
11-26-2009, 03:34 PM
Quick time event.

Like when you use your empty hand to hug in a cutscene by pressing O fast.

Or when you punch buddy in the jaw for messing around with that puttana on your sister http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

thekyle0
11-26-2009, 03:36 PM
It stands for "Quick Time Event". They are parts of the game where you are prompted to press a certain button under time pressure. God of War has a lot of them. But in the case of AC2, the "QTE" refer to the "interactive cutscenes".

EDIT: You bloody ninjas!

HateCliffhanger
11-26-2009, 05:39 PM
I think the reason alot of the stuff we heard and saw about before hand, was similar to what happened with Kotor. They simply ran out of time. I bet once PC version comes out their will be a group of people similar to Team-Gizka. Team Auditore anyone?

GhostlyMagic
11-26-2009, 07:09 PM
I actually enjoyed the game and my only issues are with how Ubisoft didn't polish the game.

Anybody find that the Templars look like Star War's Imperials?
http://www.shadowdalecreations...perial_officer_1.jpg (http://www.shadowdalecreations.com/starwars_imperial_officer_1.jpg)
http://www.shadowdalecreations.com/starwars_imperial_officer_1.jpg

Those that Desmond fought at the ending credits looked like low ranking employees, similar to Mall security. I'm also sensing Ubisoft taking a cartoony pathway to Desmond's combat scenes outside the Animus in AC3. It better not take the route of 007 or Playstation 3 Home's graphics as I found those hindered gameplay.

I hope theres higher ranking Templars to assassinate that look much cooler in the future.