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Cpig
04-15-2007, 08:35 AM
Every time I try to hammerhead the Dora, I end up a flopping fish falling uncontrollably. Is it possible to perform this move in the Dora? If so can someone explain how they do it - speed, throttle settings, angle, etc...? I appreciate any help you can give on this.
Thanks,
Cpig

LEBillfish
04-15-2007, 09:00 AM
As with any, and don't wait till your E is 0% before kicking the tail over.

Pirschjaeger
04-15-2007, 09:01 AM
I'd drop the throttle just before going over. It's all got to be timed. Just before you come to the standstill you have to give rudder and opposite ailerons. As soon as you are looking at the earth again hit the throttle.

CUJO_1970
04-15-2007, 01:29 PM
Do as Pirschaeger said.

The Hammerhead is probably my favorite new FW190 maneuver since 4.08. Zoom climb to the top, kick your rudder over, and rain down cannon hell on them.

I can almost feel sorry for Spitfire pilots these days.

voyager_663rd
04-15-2007, 05:14 PM
You have to make sure you have some forward momentum. If you don't, it's either your fish flop as described or if you're lucky, you might be able to do a tail slide b4 flipping over.

PFflyer
04-16-2007, 07:17 AM
Take the paint job off of your 190 and put it on a Spitfire, P-39 or one of the other ridiculously easy to fly allied aircraft that have no torque or gyro effects like the axis planes do, then you can hang on your prop all day and do anything you want.

PFflyer
04-16-2007, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Does this make my Hien look big?.


What your nose? No it makes your head look small though......

Treetop64
04-16-2007, 07:24 AM
Does this guy (PFflyer) deliberately try to make enemies for himself, or what?

Wonder if he's equally abrasive to those standing in front of him...

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LStarosta
04-16-2007, 07:52 AM
PFflyer's mom didn't hug him enough when he was a kid.

JuHa-
04-16-2007, 10:10 AM
Basicly as Pjaeger said, but here's checklist anyways.

1) Zoom up, nearly 90 degree angle.
2) When your airspeed is something like 140...180kph, apply rudder and reduce throttle
3) Give opposite ailerons as required to keep the plane from rolling
4) Apply throttle when nose is pointing downwards

note: violent throttle adjustments will induce stalling (gyro effects).

Lucius_Esox
04-16-2007, 10:35 AM
Take the paint job off of your 190 and put it on a Spitfire, P-39 or one of the other ridiculously easy to fly allied aircraft that have no torque or gyro effects like the axis planes do, then you can hang on your prop all day and do anything you want.


Lol.... noob http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

faustnik
04-16-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
Take the paint job off of your 190 and put it on a Spitfire, P-39 or one of the other ridiculously easy to fly allied aircraft that have no torque or gyro effects like the axis planes do, then you can hang on your prop all day and do anything you want.

Uh, what? Go fly a Yak and say that. Bf109s and Fw190s exhibit very little in the way of torque effects compared to many a/c, certainly they are similar to the Spitfires. Fly VVS and learn to deal with great, torque-filled FMs.

K_Freddie
04-16-2007, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Uh, what? Go fly a Yak and say that. Bf109s and Fw190s exhibit very little in the way of torque effects compared to many a/c, certainly they are similar to the Spitfires. Fly VVS and learn to deal with great, torque-filled FMs.

Every a/c has torque modelled, but to say the FW and ME exhibit little torque means you just haven't flown them on the 'edge' yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

faustnik
04-16-2007, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:


Every a/c has torque modelled, but to say the FW and ME exhibit little torque means you just haven't flown them on the 'edge' yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fly a Yak to "the edge" and come back and say that Freddie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

K_Freddie
04-16-2007, 12:44 PM
I've watched many a Yak/P51/P47..etc torque itself into the dirt behind my FW. Only because I am very aware of the 'power' of the FW's torque and know how to apply this to my advantage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I'd say that jap plane with the 30mm's has the meanest torque of them all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

|ZUTI|
04-17-2007, 12:08 AM
Track. Come on guys, post some tracks. Picture is worth more than xxxxxxx words http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Ob
04-17-2007, 02:42 AM
I love the 'Hammehead' in the fw190 too, or any of the 'stand still' moves.
Much easier to hit with the fast-firing guns in the Il-2. The trajectory is still quite flat after about 1000m. The cannons may reach 1200m.

The advantages however are on the Fokkers side and not even the il-2 can take a burst without experiencing some agony.
That though is weighed up fully when imagining the expression on the Fokker-pilots face when a mudmover rearanges his tailfeathers, while working his 'Hammerhead'-aerobatics.

Sometimes Fokkers indeed act very cleverly and insist coming from the low six, but alas, to find themselves desperately dodging the small bomblets from my purposely dropped cassette.

Please continue to teach Hammerhead'ing to as many as possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Ratsack
04-17-2007, 04:15 AM
What F19_Ob said. In the hands of many virtual pilots, the hammerhead is nothing more than a 'please kill me' move. Most attempt it with far too little energy advantage.

cheers,
Ratsack

K_Freddie
04-17-2007, 05:56 AM
Gee.. when I hear this lot, it makes me think taht there must be a lot of people who are not 'flying' the FW190 to it's full potential. And a lot of people who have no idea about the FW190.
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Cpig
04-20-2007, 07:45 AM
Thanks for the help to all that submitted advice. I've got it down pretty good now, throttle control during the maneuver was key.

WildeSau1975
04-20-2007, 07:54 AM
Is there anywhere an illustration of this maneuver so that I can get an idea of how it should look like and when to use it.

many thanks.

Michael the WildeSau

M2morris
04-20-2007, 03:51 PM
I hope you guys are turning on the wingtip smoke and setting a static camera to watch the track later. Put time at late so theres a good sunset and those aerobatics can look pretty cool. No I am not a troll, I work too much.

Brain32
04-20-2007, 04:39 PM
Hammerhead hard to make in the FW190, on top of that it's the Dora we are talking about? Come on guys it's really not hard. Hammerheads are for noobs anyway, you are not a FW ace until you shoot down a slow climbing Spitfire while doing a tailslide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cpig
04-21-2007, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by M2morris:
I hope you guys are turning on the wingtip smoke and setting a static camera to watch the track later. Put time at late so theres a good sunset and those aerobatics can look pretty cool. No I am not a troll, I work too much.
Come on Trojan Warrior, didn't they teach you to think outside the box in the Q course? This is just another way to get to know the full potential of your aircraft and another tool in your box that you may find a use for someday.

M2morris
04-21-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Cpig:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M2morris:
I hope you guys are turning on the wingtip smoke and setting a static camera to watch the track later. Put time at late so theres a good sunset and those aerobatics can look pretty cool. No I am not a troll, I work too much.
Come on Trojan Warrior, didn't they teach you to think outside the box in the Q course? This is just another way to get to know the full potential of your aircraft and another tool in your box that you may find a use for someday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well yeah, you are right sir. I did aerobatics alot when I first started this sim. That-is once I figured out how to land and take off, then I just flew alone and cruised around nap-of the Earth, climbed high or did touch n goes or I did split Ss and Immelmans until I got sick of em. It's good for ya.
Funny you mentioned the Q-course tho, because I dont think I know you, but I did finished the 18E course in Dec 1993.

Kettenhunde
04-21-2007, 06:26 PM
I did finished the 18E course in Dec 1993.

NS!

You must have been just a tad behind me.

You know what the NAF is then! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think we where the last class in the COSCOM area.

You still in F-nam? PM me if you are and we will go fly real planes!

All the best,

Crumpp

Cpig
04-22-2007, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by M2morris:
Funny you mentioned the Q-course tho, because I dont think I know you, but I did finished the 18E course in Dec 1993.

I don't think I know you either but I figured you had been an 18 with 10th SFG, hence the reference to the SFQC and Trojan Warrior. I'm an 18Z still active duty in 10th SFG - nearing retirement though.
Crumpp are you in Florida?

M2morris
04-22-2007, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Cpig:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M2morris:
Funny you mentioned the Q-course tho, because I dont think I know you, but I did finished the 18E course in Dec 1993.

I don't think I know you either but I figured you had been an 18 with 10th SFG, hence the reference to the SFQC and Trojan Warrior. I'm an 18Z still active duty in 10th SFG - nearing retirement though.
Crumpp are you in Florida? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That name sounds familiar, I think I knew a guy named Crump at FT Devens, or maybe Carson, he was a scuba team guy. I was also in 10th group.
Congrats on your soon to be retirement.