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Hristos
03-25-2005, 12:53 AM
Right now they are just pesky bottom feeders, able to shoot down only crippled planes or vulch enemy bases in suicide runs.

Current Spitfires are so outclassed in late war servers it isn't even fun. All they can do is run around after faster planes like little puppies, hoping a P51 will slow their target for them.

Once in a blue moon they suprise an overconfident leather wearing TnBer, but other than that they just float around and get attacked at will.

They can't even disengage, it is either win or die situation.

Somehow I grew fond of those cute lil creatures, let's see how they do in the XIV.

ploughman
03-25-2005, 04:31 AM
Yawn.

GH_Klingstroem
03-25-2005, 04:36 AM
thats very very true indeed! Some of the guys in here are very scared of the spit when flying the FW190 but they can never eally do any harm unless they are very close on ur six. The trick is to never let the get there by using the higher speed. I think they are quite cute when try try to follow you... They kinda become smaller and smaller and finally give up. and if they try to follow you for more than 20 secs someone else will take care of him while he is target fixated! I have never been shot down by a spit in my 190!

Vipez-
03-25-2005, 04:43 AM
Sorry to say but at high alts Spit 9 HF is outclassed by no other plane.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Olli72
03-25-2005, 04:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
thats very very true indeed! Some of the guys in here are very scared of the spit when flying the FW190 but they can never eally do any harm unless they are very close on ur six. The trick is to never let the get there by using the higher speed. I think they are quite cute when try try to follow you... They kinda become smaller and smaller and finally give up. and if they try to follow you for more than 20 secs someone else will take care of him while he is target fixated! I have never been shot down by a spit in my 190! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats odd, usually from LW jocks you'll hear stuff like "Spit is a n00b plane for inferior pilots!".

So, your saying its the opposite? Its a inferior plane for superior pilots? Refreshing point of view, thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stoyanov
03-25-2005, 05:28 AM
OT:
for HistoS
http://stoichkov.net/

GH_Klingstroem
03-25-2005, 05:30 AM
yes something like that Olli72! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But not to forget... most actions in this game still takes place down low with low speeds where of course a spit will kick ***!! I never go down low unless im doing 600-700kmh. The spit can never follow you in a dive nor in a level flight at SL not even the latest spit if youre flying the fw190a9 that is... using higher rate of roll usually makes them lose you while you are pulling away... a good leader and a wingman of 190s usually kick some good spit ***.

Hristos
03-25-2005, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
thats very very true indeed! Some of the guys in here are very scared of the spit when flying the FW190 but they can never eally do any harm unless they are very close on ur six. The trick is to never let the get there by using the higher speed. I think they are quite cute when try try to follow you... They kinda become smaller and smaller and finally give up. and if they try to follow you for more than 20 secs someone else will take care of him while he is target fixated! I have never been shot down by a spit in my 190! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats odd, usually from LW jocks you'll hear stuff like "Spit is a n00b plane for inferior pilots!".

So, your saying its the opposite? Its a inferior plane for superior pilots? Refreshing point of view, thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From his quote I don't get the impression it is flown by superior pilots. Quite the opposite.

What kind of a pilot would chase faster planes all over map in hope of a miracle ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Recently I've watched some online tracks I've made. You wouldn't believe some people. Passed a Spit in my D-9, he turned to follow. Well, I outpaced him and 10 minutes later totally forgot about him. Well, he was still following me to my base on the deck. All that time !!!

And what happened next ? Blue guys taking off saw him, all alone and helpless. He didn't last long.

Superior pilot ? Hmmmm

Hristos
03-25-2005, 05:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stoyanov:
OT:
for HistoS
http://stoichkov.net/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My respect to you, VNVV pilots !

badbeat2005
03-25-2005, 06:22 AM
Are you the same "Hristos" that used to fly on Aces High several years ago? I believe so because the trash talk is the same. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
Right now they are just pesky bottom feeders, able to shoot down only crippled planes or vulch enemy bases in suicide runs.

Current Spitfires are so outclassed in late war servers it isn't even fun. All they can do is run around after faster planes like little puppies, hoping a P51 will slow their target for them.

Once in a blue moon they suprise an overconfident leather wearing TnBer, but other than that they just float around and get attacked at will.

They can't even disengage, it is either win or die situation.

Somehow I grew fond of those cute lil creatures, let's see how they do in the XIV. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

fisherman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ive done the chase thing, but was against 109, truth was i was **** bored, and i wanted a fight, didnt overly care if i died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Arm_slinger
03-25-2005, 06:57 AM
Spitfires are ****? LOL, you obviously forgot to put the gear up or something silly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. The Spits are very well done in terms of their FM's. I can take a MkV into late war servers and still have success. The only real bad point with the Spit's is their stall behaviour- they drop the wing slightly and the nose drops, they dont snap

It's the pilot, not the plane. You'll have to develop tactics that mean you'll have success http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The MkXIV is coming btw, look around a abit and you'll see pictures of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GH_Klingstroem
03-25-2005, 07:30 AM
all I can say is that I only fly full real servers... Greatergreen and Warclouds western front... some of them have icons ON which sucks btw.. I really doubt that all the spit pilots I have encountered are bad. If thats the case that just confirms that all the spits are flown by noobs, which I dont think! But they cant do much if I dont want to fight it their way which would be suicide in a fw190. the p51s and sometimes the p47 are the really difficult ones to fight, they can always stay with you!

Hristos
03-25-2005, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by badbeat2005:
Are you the same "Hristos" that used to fly on Aces High several years ago? I believe so because the trash talk is the same. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I am. Of course the trash talk is the same, because Spits themselves are the same. Little conga line puppies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

geetarman
03-25-2005, 08:22 AM
Although a bit coarse in his pronouncments, I basically agree with Hristos. Spit's a great dogfighter, but, a good 190 or 109 pilot can keep him at bay fairly easily. In fact, an experten in a 190 can keep any of the red planes away! Just don't turn or my Mustang will be on you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Vipez-
03-25-2005, 08:28 AM
obviously most dont know spits capabilitites at high alts.. take spit 9 hf to above 6k, and no german plane is match for it. It climbs better than K-4 above that, and is also faster.. in addition, you can use boost very long times, you get overheat throttle back few seconds, then ignite it again, and off you got at full speed.

Above 8000 even TA-152 is no match.. Dunno, if this is realisticly modelled spit9 or not, but at those heights it is extremely hard to beat. Dora is no match.. Offcourse dora can outdive and and outrun it at lower altitudes, but other way around at higher altitudes.

Infact, if im in spit 9hf at those heights, i fear no other plane except perhaps P-47, P,51, P-63, or Yak9Us..

PBNA-Boosher
03-25-2005, 08:34 AM
Hristos, learn to use the spit. THey do very well on Warclouds.

And you don't NEED the XIV, you WANT the XIV

VW-IceFire
03-25-2005, 08:35 AM
Spit 9 HF is a bit odd at high alt. Nonetheless, it was a very fast plane up there. I haven't done a test in recent patches...not since AEP 2.04, but back then it was performing at proper speeds at critical altitude.

Ironically, lots of people fly the HF and never take it above 3000m. Do people just not know?

carguy_
03-25-2005, 08:46 AM
I have different impressions.The Vb doesn`t cause much trouble for G2 and G6Early but the IX is a pain in the butt!

About those spit pilots following me all over te map to the AF I meet them very often heheheh

In online wars when every other pilot rtbed it is very effective and annoying.Especially on the Normandy map.Those fields are so colorful that you have trouble with spotting a Spit down low @700m so you then it is clear to land.You put on low throttle,descend and SURPRISE a Spifire behind you!

ImpStarDuece
03-25-2005, 08:46 AM
I'll testify to the Spitfires excellent effectiveness above 5000m or so. I just came off 334th dedicated and totally dominated a gaggle of blue planes that were roughly co-alt (I did have something of an advantage) in a MkVIII. Off the top of my head there was a Ki-84, a 190, a 109 and maybe one or two CW Spit's.
Funny, but nobody expects to see a Spitfire above 3000m in a dogfight server.


Didn't get a single kill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif but I managed to damage most of them to some degree or another before a 190D9 plinked me rolling out of a slow loop (which was a stupid thing to do). It felt just right though; I did an oblique head-on pass, had a little speed and altitude on my opponents so I pulled up and over while most of them circled vertically trying to turn back onto me. I then started to make quick slashing runs on them using a 400m alt advantage that I gained. I must of got at least 6 seperate runs on different targets before someone got wise and climbed out of the fight and circled back onto me. I didn't feel that speed was at all lacking, when I really needed it the acceleration was there. I didnt get up over 500 kph unless I was diving.

If I was in a Spitfire XIV maybe I could of gotten a few more attacks in before they gained enough alt and energy on me. I might of even whittled down my odds by two or three or been abe to run away.

Matt_2208
03-25-2005, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The MkXIV is coming btw, look around a abit and you'll see pictures of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show me where !! Oh plz show me !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
I have different impressions.The Vb doesn`t cause much trouble for G2 and G6Early but the IX is a pain in the butt!

About those spit pilots following me all over te map to the AF I meet them very often heheheh

In online wars when every other pilot rtbed it is very effective and annoying.Especially on the Normandy map.Those fields are so colorful that you have trouble with spotting a Spit down low @700m so you then it is clear to land.You put on low throttle,descend and SURPRISE a Spifire behind you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

id agree with u, all planes are more difficult to spot against the ground, but this is realistic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
IX is a 43 plane, so it does well considering that.
its a cabable aircraft, but mw50 109s have more combat potential, as do 190's, but too a lesser extent, cos htey dont climb that fast

VW-IceFire
03-25-2005, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt_2208:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The MkXIV is coming btw, look around a abit and you'll see pictures of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show me where !! Oh plz show me !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1360.html

If they don't show...copy and paste the URLs.

VW-IceFire
03-25-2005, 09:48 AM
Like the Tempest...its probably going to be a surprise on if its flyable or not.

ploughman
03-25-2005, 10:41 AM
I can't believe you lot are rising to this anti-Spit troll in a D-9 thread again. How many D-9s were there? 6-700? Yawn. Is it any wonder that a late '44 FW out performs a IX, and it's not even as if the IXs in the game represent the IXs that a D-9 might even have fought against with engine mods, higher octane fuel. As to what sim pilot flys what on a server, so what? It's connection with reality is tenuous at best, it's just a game.

This crud's been gone over again and again by tedious loin cloths like Hristos. Maybe he needs the ego massage, don't give it to him. Perhaps he might liek to consider why he's flying a rare high performance late war *****extension?

Matt_2208
03-25-2005, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt_2208:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The MkXIV is coming btw, look around a abit and you'll see pictures of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show me where !! Oh plz show me !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1360.html

If they don't show...copy and paste the URLs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you so much !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I can't wait for it to come out !!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

When will it come out ? approximately ?

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HayateAce
03-25-2005, 11:23 AM
And so it begins......

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/WanakaWarbirds/Spitfires/MarkXiv/SpitfireXivLeapingIntoAir.jpg

VW-IceFire
03-25-2005, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt_2208:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt_2208:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The MkXIV is coming btw, look around a abit and you'll see pictures of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show me where !! Oh plz show me !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1360.html

If they don't show...copy and paste the URLs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you so much !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I can't wait for it to come out !!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

When will it come out ? approximately ?

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well if were lucky its in this patch. Otherwise, maybe never. Nyme finished the external a while ago...I think it'll be making it in as AI almost guanrateed. Its based on a modification of his Mark VIII model already in-game so the transition to get that XIV model in shouldn't be difficult for them. On the other hand, the cockpit ran into a snag. We had another person building it but he got busy but didn't get back to us. So Nyme was working on it in a just in case scenario...good man that he is! I haven't heard on if it made it or not.

If it does, it'll be the first Spitfire we'll have with a GGS Mark II gyrogunsight (almost identical to the K-14 in the Mustang). We had to pull in a bunch of favors for that one!

As for the Spitfire debate...the FW190D-9 would have been facing Spitfire IX and XVI's in late 1944 and 1945, in some cases running 25lbs of boost, in most cases operating at lower altitudes, and most operating with gyro gunsights by this point. Although not an exact match...the IX/XVI's would have been a little bit better than the ones we have in-game. That said, the ones we have are pretty good at beating most planes in the right team situations but it can be tricky when a later model aircraft shows up.

The XIV should end up being a more experten type aircraft. Hopefully the new FM will make the torque unpleasant to those not ready for it.

hotspace
03-25-2005, 12:00 PM
Well I'm just willing and waiting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

Matt_2208
03-25-2005, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Well if were lucky its in this patch. Otherwise, maybe never. Nyme finished the external a while ago...I think it'll be making it in as AI almost guanrateed. Its based on a modification of his Mark VIII model already in-game so the transition to get that XIV model in shouldn't be difficult for them. On the other hand, the cockpit ran into a snag. We had another person building it but he got busy but didn't get back to us. So Nyme was working on it in a just in case scenario...good man that he is! I haven't heard on if it made it or not.

If it does, it'll be the first Spitfire we'll have with a GGS Mark II gyrogunsight (almost identical to the K-14 in the Mustang). We had to pull in a bunch of favors for that one!

As for the Spitfire debate...the FW190D-9 would have been facing Spitfire IX and XVI's in late 1944 and 1945, in some cases running 25lbs of boost, in most cases operating at lower altitudes, and most operating with gyro gunsights by this point. Although not an exact match...the IX/XVI's would have been a little bit better than the ones we have in-game. That said, the ones we have are pretty good at beating most planes in the right team situations but it can be tricky when a later model aircraft shows up.

The XIV should end up being a more experten type aircraft. Hopefully the new FM will make the torque unpleasant to those not ready for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG I hope its gonna be there !!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

If not..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I beg you FM builders !!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Please let it be with the next patch !!!

Hey Icefire can't you tell'em its very important it gets to be there ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The exterior certainly looks GREAT !! I bet they can make the Interior just as good ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A thousand thanks; Matt_2208

Hristos
03-25-2005, 02:35 PM
The purpose of this thread is to point out hopelesness of current Spit versions in a late war server.

And while Ploughman and the likes of him jump to their defensive stance, they actually miss the point. I fully support the inclusion of the XIV, so I can fly my *****extension with less sense of guilt.

Honestly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P.S.
Not that it will change things, only level the playing field. IMHO, any Fw 190 can beat contemporary Spitfire if the pilot knows his stuff.

ploughman
03-25-2005, 02:54 PM
Give me a break Hristo, you're a wind up merchant and you know it. This thread isn't about you lobbying for a Spit XIV, this is about you and your ego. I respect the P-40 guy who reckoned he owned anyone, in any plane, any time and had the stats to prove it. Some twerp in a D-9? Who cares? You're not a great pilot until you can get results in a cr@p plane. Why not start with a Spit IX on a late war server?

Hristos
03-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Me ? Flying a Spitfire ? Yuk, I'd never wash the smell away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No, you won't find my flying anything else than a 190 or rarely a 109. You see, I'm not a plane *****. I stick to my rides, with Fw 190A-8 being my favourite.

And don't complain about D-9 uberness. It makes you look weak, as its guns are hopeless. D-9 is the ultimate assist machine. Wait for Oleg to fix the MG151/20, then you may have a case.

Von_Rat
03-25-2005, 03:13 PM
only comment i have is that i sorta doubt the spit14 is going to have anywhere near the e retention that current spits have, especially with the new fm.

its just a guess, but after this new fm i don't think lw will be complaining about spits e retention. which after all, is really the only beef anyone could have against it, except for h.f.'s uber hi alt climb, and handling.

ploughman
03-25-2005, 03:15 PM
I couldn't give a rat's bottom about the D-9's uberness, it was a great plane and was genuinely uber, as were many Axis aircraft, many of them were superior to their Allied counterparts. If you think mastery of one in-game uber-type rattles your cage sufficiently, good for you. It is, after all, only a game. Have a nice flight.

ploughman
03-25-2005, 03:20 PM
This new FM, does anyone know if it allows the AI to tailor its tactics to the aircraft type it's flying and the aircraft type it's flying against?

pourshot
03-25-2005, 04:57 PM
Yes german planes are well suited to players that like to run away at the first sign of danger, probably why thay made such weak escorts it made them look cowardly but I suspect it was the only way they could survive.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hows that for a troll comback with practice I could be good at this. LOL

Stiglr
03-25-2005, 05:02 PM
Hristos laments:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All they (Spitfires) can do is run around after faster planes like little puppies... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, how do you think Zero pilots feel? Every US fighter plane they face after 1942 is faster.

Spits have a helluva lot going for them, both in their historical capability and in how this sim is designed; they're not the poor little sods you envision; not by a long shot.

BuzzU
03-25-2005, 11:28 PM
Has the Luftwhiner been replaced with the Luftbragger?

Hristos
03-26-2005, 12:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
Has the Luftwhiner been replaced with the Luftbragger? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, I've been Luftbragging before you even knew what a joystick is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Spitfire capable ? Only of dying to a Fw 190.

hop2002
03-26-2005, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The XIV should end up being a more experten type aircraft. Hopefully the new FM will make the torque unpleasant to those not ready for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Spit XIV shouldn't suffer unduly from torque. Bear in mind that both the 190 and 109 had similar power in some models, yet had much smaller wings to resist torque.

Both the Dora and K4/G10 should have more adverse torque reactions than the Spit XIV.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Has the Luftwhiner been replaced with the Luftbragger? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I met Hristo twice online in Aces High.

The first time was my first time online. He shot me down, then came back to kill my chute.

The second time, I managed to shoot him down in a front quarter attack. He whined it was a head on (it wasn't, he wasn't close to a guns solution on me, I was just lucky to come across him in a good situation), but he whined most because I was in a Tempest, which he called a dweeb plane, because it was a late war cannon fighter.

He was in Dora, but didn't see any irony in it at all.

Hristos
03-26-2005, 01:33 AM
Ahh, the good old days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

hop2002
03-26-2005, 02:22 AM
Yeah, I used to really like AH. Not enough time for flying online now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 03:17 AM
that sucks hop http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

if u see me on HL gimme a poke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

K4 should be most torquey plane in the planeset ?

flyingscampi
03-26-2005, 03:58 AM
From the Spitfire XIV Pilot's notes:

49. Take Off

Whenever possible open the throttle slowly up to +7lb./sq. in. boost only. This is important as there is a strong tendency to swing to the right and crab in the initial stages of the take-off run. If much power is used tyre wear is severe.

A copy of the notes came with the RealAir Spit XIV for FS2004 and is well modelled in the sim as you ground loop pretty rapidly if you use any more.

Hopefully the new flight model will increase the torque effect for all the planes.

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
From the Spitfire XIV Pilot's notes:

49. Take Off

Whenever possible open the throttle slowly up to +7lb./sq. in. boost only. This is important as there is a strong tendency to swing to the right and crab in the initial stages of the take-off run. If much power is used tyre wear is severe.

A copy of the notes came with the RealAir Spit XIV for FS2004 and is well modelled in the sim as you ground loop pretty rapidly if you use any more.

Hopefully the new flight model will increase the torque effect for all the planes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

only a few planes have takeoff problems, like il2 (ineffective rudder) bufflo and p40early.

stuff like 109,p51,spit,190,p47 etc u can just nail it full power, and unless u go on the rough, your fine, is much harder with new fm, from what i hear http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
03-26-2005, 05:40 AM
I thought the XIV's Griffon went to the left, not the right which is what cause a few accidents?!?

flyingscampi
03-26-2005, 05:56 AM
If that was true, no wonder there were so many accidents http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Merlin = Swing Left
Griffon = Swing Right

BBB_Hyperion
03-26-2005, 06:08 AM
I am pretty sure the Spit XIV will fly until its shoot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 08:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hop2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The XIV should end up being a more experten type aircraft. Hopefully the new FM will make the torque unpleasant to those not ready for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Spit XIV shouldn't suffer unduly from torque. Bear in mind that both the 190 and 109 had similar power in some models, yet had much smaller wings to resist torque.

Both the Dora and K4/G10 should have more adverse torque reactions than the Spit XIV.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Has the Luftwhiner been replaced with the Luftbragger? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I met Hristo twice online in Aces High.

The first time was my first time online. He shot me down, then came back to kill my chute.

The second time, I managed to shoot him down in a front quarter attack. He whined it was a head on (it wasn't, he wasn't close to a guns solution on me, I was just lucky to come across him in a good situation), but he whined most because I was in a Tempest, which he called a dweeb plane, because it was a late war cannon fighter.

He was in Dora, but didn't see any irony in it at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd think the FW190s would have less trouble because of that wide undercarriage. XIV's were notorious for ground loops...just going by that.

BuzzU
03-26-2005, 09:35 AM
Ground loops were pretty common in the 109. Let's see if Oleg can get that right.

MEGILE
03-26-2005, 05:12 PM
Aye.

RedDeth
03-26-2005, 07:33 PM
people are having two different conversations here . some say spit is great and some say spit sucks.

both are right and here is why.

spit in fullreal sucks. why? short vision range. no one flys above 6k much. its all down low. and spit can neither catch nor run away from planes in fullreal. it can only turn turn turn till it eventually dies. all pilots being good that is.

in cockpit off with externals the spit becomes the best plane in game because the battles normally happen up high. and other planes climb to intercept the spit as they see it from their runway before they take off.....cough.....no comment on that aspect....

so yes up high spit is king but even if high in fullreal the enemy just dives down to deck and spit is done.so fullreal makes the spit worse than mediocre

now the spit14 will be great in fullreal cuz itll be MUCH faster. you need speed in fullreal. not high altitude flyability.

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 11:33 PM
Good points for sure. Got my rear handed to me in Warclouds flying a Spitfire IX. A 109 got on my six (I didn't see him come in - first mistake) and I couldn't shake him no matter what I did. Just not a good arena for the IX when its low and tactical.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-27-2005, 12:09 AM
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Vipez-
03-27-2005, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
people are having two different conversations here . some say spit is great and some say spit sucks.

both are right and here is why.

spit in fullreal sucks. why? short vision range. no one flys above 6k much. its all down low. and spit can neither catch nor run away from planes in fullreal. it can only turn turn turn till it eventually dies. all pilots being good that is.

in cockpit off with externals the spit becomes the best plane in game because the battles normally happen up high. and other planes climb to intercept the spit as they see it from their runway before they take off.....cough.....no comment on that aspect....

so yes up high spit is king but even if high in fullreal the enemy just dives down to deck and spit is done.so fullreal makes the spit worse than mediocre

now the spit14 will be great in fullreal cuz itll be MUCH faster. you need speed in fullreal. not high altitude flyability. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Funny, i think exactly the opposite... FW-190 is the king of the hill in nocockpit server (when you do not have the stupid bar in the way).. in nocockpit-enviroment Spit is a killer.. think that was pretty much demonstrated in VWF (yes battles happened high in there). FW-190 allways can dive away from the Spit, and outrun it low, but at high alts it still does not have much chances against it, as Spit is faster and turns better.. It's a compromise..

p1ngu666
03-27-2005, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
people are having two different conversations here . some say spit is great and some say spit sucks.

both are right and here is why.

spit in fullreal sucks. why? short vision range. no one flys above 6k much. its all down low. and spit can neither catch nor run away from planes in fullreal. it can only turn turn turn till it eventually dies. all pilots being good that is.

in cockpit off with externals the spit becomes the best plane in game because the battles normally happen up high. and other planes climb to intercept the spit as they see it from their runway before they take off.....cough.....no comment on that aspect....

so yes up high spit is king but even if high in fullreal the enemy just dives down to deck and spit is done.so fullreal makes the spit worse than mediocre

now the spit14 will be great in fullreal cuz itll be MUCH faster. you need speed in fullreal. not high altitude flyability. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

pretty much, and climbrate advantage is easier to use in arcade or external view.

FR vs arcade flying is different for sure, FR is more about speed imo