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ChivasRox
01-07-2009, 08:26 AM
I've been doing combat flight sims for over 20 years back to Microprose Stealth Fighter onwards. I've never been great at picking up planes in the sky. When padlock views first came out, they were ok but I was always disoriented when I used it and wasn't tremendously effective.

I just received TrackIR yesterday and it is the POOP! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Just as most people say. I can't believe how good it works and useful it is in game. Night and day difference. A MUST HAVE for combat flight sims. Anyone on the fence about getting TrackIR - no brainer - GET IT! My gosh, even in quick mission, when you make an initial pass, and start to bank, you look up through the canopy of your corsair and see the enemy immediately, making it a much easier exersize to engage and get set up for a shot. And when the bandit is just slightly outside of the front view, a slight head turn in his direction and boom, he's right there the whole time, very easy to stay with him and eventually get the kill. Great to see all the maneuvers he's doing and the ease that TIR allows me staying with him. Awesome!! Many times at this point, when the bandit is just outside of view, I'd lose him and have to start all over. The single engagements in QM are now very short! heehee Gotta turn up the difficulty now!

Just a quick note about TIR, and a thanks to all who've posted on this board that helped convince me of the need for it. (Nugget's Guide and others)

Worf101
01-07-2009, 08:47 AM
Ahhhh I love a convert. We have a guy in our Squadron 99th_Patches, who used to laugh as us TrackIr users when we'd curse and say "I forgot to turn on my Track IR!!!" He'd laugh and call us all sorts of this and that, now that he has it he apologizes constantly for doubting us all these years.

Great kit, glad you're enjoying it.

Da Worfster

TheFamilyMan
01-07-2009, 08:58 AM
To really get the full TrackIR experience, be sure to install the 6DOF TrackIR mod from allaircraftarcade. Though you must 'mod pollute' your IL2 install to use it, this mod is top rate and is not a kludge; IMO it's definately worth it. This mod gives you twist and Z axis tracking motion. The twist axis is perfect for tracking a bandit when it flies behind a strut; its gain needs to be very low to be useful. The Z axis lets you move in to examine the instrument panel much easier. Welcome to the club, S!

IMO TIR should be listed as recommended hardware for all flight sims.

dirkpit7
01-07-2009, 09:30 AM
Nice to hear that Viffer. I'm also a new TIR user - I got it today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif A very nice item. Although I never had a big problem with hatswitch viewing this is an improvement for sure. Fortunately my head seems to be ok with it, I felt just a little dizzy but nothing serious.

I haven't installed any mods but now I must really consider getting the 6DOF.

Choctaw111
01-07-2009, 09:38 AM
The TrackIR is a world of difference.
When I first got it, it felt very "goosey", but after a couple days practice with it, I was acclimated.
At this point I can no longer imagine flying without it.
As good as TrackIR is, the 6DOF mod is that much better.

F19_Orheim
01-07-2009, 09:53 AM
tir is the reason I fly sims today... it was only after I got the TIR version 1 back in 2003 that I started to fly regularly

AWL_Spinner
01-07-2009, 09:54 AM
Welcome to the dark side!

I got a Track IR back when it was version 1.0 and have been harping on about how great it is ever since.

For me, it's just behind a stick and pedals in the priority list, ahead of a HOTAS and any other paraphernalia. Can't fly without one now (as I recently discovered due to an enforced absence, no Track-IR is like flying inside a letterbox).

ploughman
01-07-2009, 10:47 AM
Got Track IR 4 last Christ Mass past, it's brilliant. Takes a little bit of getting used to, still thumbing the hat switch (old dogs, etc.) but it's instantly obvious that simming pre-Track IR was like making love in a wet suit.

Bearcat99
01-07-2009, 10:47 AM
Ihad TIR 1 and sent it back.... it made me sick... Then I tried 2 and for a wjhile there I couldnt get itto work right.. When I finally gotit working right I decided to go for a TIR 4 for the 6DoF.. and i GAVE MY tir 2 to a squaddie... Worlks like a champ..

gorkyporky
01-07-2009, 12:18 PM
It does make a world of dfferance doesnt it? I dont like the 6dof mod tough, dont know why, the view always started to twitch when i looked behind me. The only downside is, that you cant get on without it when you get used to it. If i play at my friends or anywhere without TIR, i always start twisting my head like a moronhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DD_crash
01-07-2009, 12:39 PM
Hi there, the position of the sensor can make a BIG difference. I have moved mine back and up about 1 ft and it doesn't jump at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
01-07-2009, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by gorkyporky:
It does make a world of dfferance doesnt it? I dont like the 6dof mod tough, dont know why, the view always started to twitch when i looked behind me. The only downside is, that you cant get on without it when you get used to it. If i play at my friends or anywhere without TIR, i always start twisting my head like a moronhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In addition to DD_crashes suggestion, did you try the latest version of the 6DoF mod (2.0 I believe)? Also the Profile needs a good bit of tweaking for the new axis but totally worth it. I'm pretty sure it's a setup issue for you since I have seen many people state that the 6DoF mod actually made their tracking much better and less twitchy.

ChivasRox
01-07-2009, 03:40 PM
Yeah guys, the more I use it, the more I love it. Just spent some time going through the setup guide at M4T. After you know what's going on, it takes less than a few minutes to dial in the settings of the curves and stuff. Will try some more smoothing later on, which would be my only minor nit; when looking left/right, the cockpit lines get a bit jaggy due to the motion. Nothing major. As far as 6DOF for IL-2, I might give it a try at some point, but like it as is for now. I've seen a few posts from people that don't particularly like it w/IL2, though it's superb in FSX. But as FamilyMan said, it would be nice to have the freedom of 6DOF when a bandit's behind a strut. We'll see. I also just got a CH Fighterstick and will dial that in, the joystick axis are too sensitive, and will need to dial it down a bit, especially toward the center.

In the end, TIR with IL-2 is fantastic! Went up to veteran on a real quick QM, and just being able to keep that Zero in sight the whole time is magnificent! AND, one little thing that really makes TIR shine for me is when you look just a bit right or left and can see the world at different angles with a small movement of your head, the affect of being in a 3-D world is hugely enhanced, at least for me. I love that, gives a stronger sensation of actually flying.

K_Freddie
01-07-2009, 05:32 PM
All-in-all I'd not get to seriously excited about TIR, no matter what 'they' say.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Galway
01-07-2009, 05:35 PM
The other benefit that rarely gets mentioned is you can skim about below treetop level with your wingtips almost touching the ground in turns with very little risk as you can just glance down the lowside wing and see how much clearance you have.

If my TrackIr is not plugged in I simply do not fly.

Stingray333
01-07-2009, 06:27 PM
If my TrackIR broke, I wouldn't fly until I either got a new one or got freetrack setup. period.

Stingray

skarden
01-07-2009, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
All-in-all I'd not get to seriously excited about TIR, no matter what 'they' say.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Um,you are joking right?

Swivet
01-07-2009, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
Ahhhh I love a convert. We have a guy in our Squadron 99th_Patches, who used to laugh as us TrackIr users when we'd curse and say "I forgot to turn on my Track IR!!!" He'd laugh and call us all sorts of this and that, now that he has it he apologizes constantly for doubting us all these years.

Great kit, glad you're enjoying it.

Da Worfster

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I'm also still laughin at you....I dont have it, dont want it, dont need it..I get plenty of kills using my good ole' fashion hat switch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif Maybe someday, but it aint a priority.

SeaFireLIV
01-07-2009, 08:24 PM
Hate to say that I`m so used to it that I don`t even notice it now, yet I`d be crushed if it packed up on me suddenly.

I know just how the OP feels as I was also gobsmacked when I first got it after failing to truly understand what it did or how it worked.

WTE_Galway
01-07-2009, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Swivet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
Ahhhh I love a convert. We have a guy in our Squadron 99th_Patches, who used to laugh as us TrackIr users when we'd curse and say "I forgot to turn on my Track IR!!!" He'd laugh and call us all sorts of this and that, now that he has it he apologizes constantly for doubting us all these years.

Great kit, glad you're enjoying it.

Da Worfster

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I'm also still laughin at you....I dont have it, dont want it, dont need it..I get plenty of kills using my good ole' fashion hat switch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif Maybe someday, but it aint a priority. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

its not really about getting kills, though some people may use that as a justification for buying one

its more that it takes the whole experience another step closer to a simulation instead of a game

AWL_Spinner
01-07-2009, 10:04 PM
AND, one little thing that really makes TIR shine for me is when you look just a bit right or left and can see the world at different angles with a small movement of your head, the affect of being in a 3-D world is hugely enhanced,

That's so true. When you get used to it you'll find your view is in near-constant natural motion, slow sweeps across the instruments, etc.

I still remember the smile on my face the first time I flew with it, shot something down and tracked the burning plane down to impact with the ground just by turning my head. Whoooooaaa, goosebumps.

willyvic
01-07-2009, 11:42 PM
Love my TIR. Still get a smile on my face when I picture my first unit. I had the the 4 inch dowel and wooden ball setup...what a geek!


WV

sc1949
01-07-2009, 11:49 PM
Loved my TrackIR 2, then I got Vista x64, and Naturalpoint aren't putting out a driver for it or TrackIR 1, so I'm stuffed till can get a solution. Apparently. one of the beta driver releases for V4 had x64 drivers for V2, but not for Vista, only XP, and so don't work.

Very dissappointed with Naturalpoint, as they must have sold a heap of TrackIR 2s.

.

willyvic
01-07-2009, 11:51 PM
And we've come a long way since TOAD's birth control glasses idea..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...10655&m=15310285&p=1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)


WV

Pluto8742
01-08-2009, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Viffer35:
only minor nit; when looking left/right, the cockpit lines get a bit jaggy due to the motion.

This sounds like "tearing" caused by not having vsync enabled. Turn on vsync in your graphics card controller suite to fix (Catalyst Control Centre or whatever is the Nvidia equivalent). You lose a few FPS, but the gain in smooth panning is worth it.

Cheers,

RD.

Choctaw111
01-08-2009, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Pluto8742:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viffer35:
only minor nit; when looking left/right, the cockpit lines get a bit jaggy due to the motion.

This sounds like "tearing" caused by not having vsync enabled. Turn on vsync in your graphics card controller suite to fix (Catalyst Control Centre or whatever is the Nvidia equivalent). You lose a few FPS, but the gain in smooth panning is worth it.

Cheers,

RD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also in your video cards control panel make sure you have "Triple Buffer" on.

ChivasRox
01-13-2009, 08:28 AM
Thanks for the suggestions about the graphics settings. Both Vsync and triple buffer are off, but as I had to change a few settings to do some iRacing, I came back to IL-2 with one change regarding AA that made a difference. I was using a very high AA setting, 8xS in nHancer. I tried just 8x and the movement with TIR was better, at the cost of some visual quality. AA at 8x is high, but it's amazing how good 8xS looks! I use this setting for FSX. Anyway, will try vsync/triple buffer with 8xS and see what results I get, but obviously different graphic settings will affect the smoothness of movement with TrackIR.

WTE_Galway
01-13-2009, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Viffer35:
Thanks for the suggestions about the graphics settings. Both Vsync and triple buffer are off, but as I had to change a few settings to do some iRacing, I came back to IL-2 with one change regarding AA that made a difference. I was using a very high AA setting, 8xS in nHancer. I tried just 8x and the movement with TIR was better, at the cost of some visual quality. AA at 8x is high, but it's amazing how good 8xS looks! I use this setting for FSX. Anyway, will try vsync/triple buffer with 8xS and see what results I get, but obviously different graphic settings will affect the smoothness of movement with TrackIR.

Some people claim giving trackIr its own processor on dual core rigs will make a difference.

Padser
01-13-2009, 03:29 PM
~S~

Well, a person I know from a former squad won't use a TrackIR - as a heavy smoker he finds the glow of his *** interferes with the sensor and causes problems (when I was a smoker, I found the same thing, to be honest). He uses his high hat and his mouse and is one of the most formidable players of the game I have ever encountered...

That said - I also think he's a tw*t for a whole lot of other reasons... ;-)

I use a TrackIR because it feels right, not because it gets me extra points - it almost certainly doesn't, I'm a rubbish shot and invariably fly bombers anyway. If the points monkeys prefer their high hats, let 'em. TrackIR is the only way to fly for me...

Pads

TheFamilyMan
01-13-2009, 05:27 PM
I miss the 8xS AA of my old SLI 7800gt's which completely smoothed out the jaggies on river banks. 8Q AA of my 8800gt is not as good, but the overall image quality is vastly improved. As for vsync and triple buffering, I found that for IL-2 the nvidia triple buffering disables the effect of vsync. It tooks me weeks to solve this vsync problem; TIR drove me nuts to always have tearing when looking around. Enjoy, S!

TIR is what addicted me to IL-2. On a whim I was given a TIR for xmas; I'm pretty sure my wife now regrets it. Before that IL-2 and FSX were just another game.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-13-2009, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by willyvic:
Love my TIR. Still get a smile on my face when I picture my first unit. I had the the 4 inch dowel and wooden ball setup...what a geek!


WV

LMAO...That was partially my design (scarfed from some ideas TOAD started). I stumbled across those pics the other day and laughed out loud.

For those that scoff at TIR, most have never tried it. The others very likely didn't get it set properly or used an early (v1 or v2) version that had many quirks still in them. Since v3 (v3 PRO with vector expansion and v4), they have been mandatory parts of all my recommendations for new flight-simmers.

Bearcat99
01-14-2009, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Swivet:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I'm also still laughin at you....I dont have it, dont want it, dont need it..I get plenty of kills using my good ole' fashion hat switch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif Maybe someday, but it aint a priority.

Yeah well.... a lot of virgins think sex is highly overrated too........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Like Galway said... the real beauty of TIR isnt about the kills... it is the immersion.. it is looking around with your heasd and neck instead of your thumb. Even if kills were your main priority... if you thiunk you do well now.. you will do even better once your viewing solution leaves your thumb..

SeaFireLIV
01-14-2009, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Yeah well.... a lot of virgins think sex is highly overrated too........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

.

Good one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

T_O_A_D
01-14-2009, 09:11 PM
Welcome to the family.

Oh and I still have those glasses, well my Dad does and it still works as good as ever with the Pre 6DOF unit.

I now have 3 reflective balls, hot glued to a trackir Ball cap in the same locations as if they were the Vector clip.

It works so well, I've seen no need to move on to Tir4 or the light they now offer, for vector.

ChivasRox
01-16-2009, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
I miss the 8xS AA of my old SLI 7800gt's which completely smoothed out the jaggies on river banks.

FamMan - You are so right! 8xS does a superb job of making the shoreline look fantastic. I mentioned that I use nHancer for my graphic settings which gives me 8xS. I use an 8800 GTS 512. Why don't you give nHancer a try?

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01-16-2009, 09:26 AM
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