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RWetterholt
01-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Hello all...

I was playing on HyperLobby the other night and I could not help but notice all the Spitfires buzzing around me all night. Has anyone else noticed this increased use of Spitfires at all? It seems as though the Spitfire is the new "uberplane" of choice for most pilots. Just my thoughts.

Cheers.

RWetterholt
01-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Hello all...

I was playing on HyperLobby the other night and I could not help but notice all the Spitfires buzzing around me all night. Has anyone else noticed this increased use of Spitfires at all? It seems as though the Spitfire is the new "uberplane" of choice for most pilots. Just my thoughts.

Cheers.

ElAurens
01-04-2005, 04:02 PM
The Spit, particularly the Mk. VIII is a well balanced aircraft that gives you the ability to compete in a strict BnZ regime, or to turnfight if that is your preference. It has good firepower as well. In short the Spitfire gives you options that many other planes do not offer in one package.

VW-IceFire
01-04-2005, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RWetterholt:
Hello all...

I was playing on HyperLobby the other night and I could not help but notice all the Spitfires buzzing around me all night. Has anyone else noticed this increased use of Spitfires at all? It seems as though the Spitfire is the new "uberplane" of choice for most pilots. Just my thoughts.

Cheers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its not uber because there are other planes that are supremely better. The La7, the Ki-84, the P-51D (in some cases), the Bf-109 (in some variants), and dare I say it, a properly flown FW190D-9 is better than the VIII or IX.

Reasons:
1) Well balanced speed, climb, manuverability, a fair degree of automation.
2) Good firepower...Hispano cannons were amongst the best of WWII's cannons once the bugs were sorted out and the game reprisents this well.
3) Its a Spitfire...some of us fly it because of what it is. Not what it does.

Po-cat
01-04-2005, 05:53 PM
The reality is simple: the Spitfire was the best. End of story.

Other aircraft may be superior in some aspect, but when all aspects are considered together, nothing else comes even remotely close.

How many other aircraft performed so many duties with such distinction?
Anyway, regardless of such petty details as climb, firepower, turn, dive, etc., compared to the Spit, everything else is just plain ugly - with NO exceptions;-)
The last 'improvement' was to fit a Mustang-style laminar flow wing (Spiteful/Seafang). Guess what? It was no better than the original design.

Oleg has only covered the mid production so far.
I'm waiting (not very) patiently for the Griffon engined variants, but I could be distracted by a Typhoon or Tempest V for a while.

EPP-Gibbs
01-04-2005, 06:34 PM
Yes...and a properly flown Spitfire is a match for anything else contemporary to it.. Like was said....certain aircraft might have excelled over the Spit in one particular area or another but the Spitfire did everything well apart from, in most Fighter marks, long range. (The Mk VIII had over 1000 miles range) And, if the large 'Spiteful' fin and tailplane had been introduced earlier it would have made a fine long range escort too, like the Mustang.

Vs German A/c turnfight them, Vs Japs, B&Z them, stall them out and they're dead.. Vs La's, do either. It can do both. The XIV was a magnificent fighter and if properly modelled will for better or worse, be pretty 'uber'.

Close to 450mph top speed, 43k ft ceiling, Climb like a lift, and still turnfight like a IX. Hmmmm

Corsair9
01-05-2005, 04:55 AM
Yeah, come on! Where IS the Spit XIV??

They've got every model of FW-190 ever built and no Spit XIV!!!

lucas_valentine
01-05-2005, 05:39 AM
Bring on the MkXIVe but make sure it's the later type with the 'bubble' canopy - its the most beautiful of all Spitfires. In answer to the question, the Spitfire is definatley not 'uber' but is a fantastic all-rounder and just very very popular. I do wonder why people still fly the MkIX when the MkVIII is more advanced and a better plane to fly.

John_Stag
01-05-2005, 05:49 AM
See above, though personally, I prefer to strap on a Hurricane, any mark.

But that's just me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DeerHunterUK
01-05-2005, 06:09 AM
The simple fact is (as stated previously); the Spitfire isn't "uber" by any means, it just performs virtually any function well. For example there's faster aircraft ingame, there's better turning aircraft ingame, there's better climbing aircraft ingame and there's better armed aircraft ingame. What the Spitfire (and in particular the Mk. IX) brings to the party is a perfect balance of all of the above.
How do you beat a Spitfire? It's really quite simple, force the Spitfire into areas where your aircraft is superior. Decent Spitfire pilots won't be suckered into making those kind of mistakes so you have to be ultra careful but against inexperienced or over confident pilots it'll work beautifully. A perfect example of this was a recent Squadron dogfight of pre-41 aircraft that I was in. Virtually every Allied pilot was in a Spitfire Vb (our usual mount is the Hurricane Mk Ia or the Gladiator), so I decided to take the A6M2 Zero as my mount. I chalked up quite a score suckering the Spits into a low speed turnfight and putting rounds into their engines (which is very vulnerable to damage). And yes, I was shotdown a number of times but only when the numbers were against me or my aircraft was already damaged.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Mk XIV ingame, it'd be a nice addition. However, the Mk IX is definitely my favourite Spitfire and aircraft of all time as it also was the favourite of many of the leading Spitfire aces like Johnnie Johnson. His opinion of the Mk XIV always makes me chuckle, "it was both fast and powerful, but it was no longer a Spitfire".
As a final thought, I think 603 Squadron Spitfire pilot Gerald Stapleton's comments to a captured 109 pilot during the Battle of Britain really gives us the the essence of the Spitfire in a nutshell;
"Do you know why the Spitfire is a better plane than the 109?"
"No" came the reply
"Because any idiot can fly a Spitfire".

WOLFMondo
01-05-2005, 06:29 AM
New uber n00b plane = p63 by all accountshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It does annoy me a little when people say Spitfire = N00b plane.

Historically its easy to fly, fairly tough, can performance a number of roles, has a fantastic engine...ever see a pilot say 1 bad thing about it in flight? Never.

Lots of guys fly it online but then it served everywhere with every allied airforce and the IX was a produced in huge numbers. Just to point out on 1944 maps, the VIII and the IX are probably the slowest planes of that era compared to late model 109's and 190's, even with a 25lbs boost they will still be vastly inferior to the straighline speed of any 44+ 109 or 190. People seem to want to turn with them rather than outrun them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
3) Its a Spitfire...some of us fly it because of what it is. Not what it does. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never a better word said.

For the British the Spitfire isn't just a plane, its a symbol of national pride that can never be matched.

ScorpionITA5
01-05-2005, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RWetterholt:
Hello all...

I was playing on HyperLobby the other night and I could not help but notice all the Spitfires buzzing around me all night. Has anyone else noticed this increased use of Spitfires at all? It seems as though the Spitfire is the new "uberplane" of choice for most pilots. Just my thoughts.

Cheers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes,I notice this too.Red side has the majority of "all-around" planes(uber http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).
Most of the time,teams are unbalanced online in favor to Red.When I join online,I never get a chance to fly a Spit or LA(I could but I like fair teams).
I hope one day Oleg put some kind of autobalance future to make things more fun.
S!
Scorpion

JG52Russkly
01-05-2005, 09:37 AM
As many have correctly stated above, the Spitfire to a Brit is a symbol of the triumph of a small but free and combative nation over the tyranny of an oppressive, totalitarian regime. Just the sound of a Merlin overhead during the summer (I work in Bristol right next to the Rolls Royce factory and airfield where 2 Spitfires are held under lock and key) is enough to make my heart flutter.

Vb was outclassed by the 190A - inferior speed at most altitudes, inferior climb rate and inferior roll rate. 190s just half-rolled out of trouble and dove away (see "JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe" - excellent book with plenty of useful accounts about dogfighting).

Agree with many of you - we're still missing (flyable) Tempest, Typhoon, Mosquito, Ju-88, Do-17, Me-2/410, Pacific theatre torpedo bombers and many other more common WWII aircraft yet we have oddities or rarities like the Mistel, the Ta-152, the Henschel 132. I know there seems little point developing BoB aircraft like the Spit I at this stage of 1c's work plan, but I'd rather have the staples than the weird and wonderfuls.

Personal thing, although go on-line and it's all Spits, P-51s, P-63s, 109s (mostly Gustavs) and 190As. Interesting that few seem to fly the weirdies.

DarkCanuck420
01-05-2005, 11:44 AM
the ol spit is well rounded.

if everone was using the zero would that make it the new uber plane?

ive been in server where nobody was using the spit.
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p1ngu666
01-05-2005, 02:19 PM
spitfire was a great plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

to europeans, the merlin may well be the sound of freedom http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

hurri,spit,battle,mossie,lanc,p51,halifax etc etc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

in norway i heard they would rush outside and wave and salute to low flying merlin engined aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Peter_Fitzwell
01-05-2005, 05:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John_Stag:
See above, though personally, I prefer to strap on a Hurricane, any mark.

But that's just me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like the hurri as well, but I will fly the spit mainly for the climb rate if I don't have alot of time to play. I can handle any mark of spit in a hurri if I manage my energy well and don't do anything overtly stupid.

horseback
01-05-2005, 06:33 PM
Yeah, have to agree with much of the superlatives tossed about in regards to the Spitfire. It has replaced Arthur's sword and Robin Hood's bow in England's emotional armory.

cheers

horseback

Shrike_UK
01-06-2005, 08:35 AM
great things about Spitfire:
1. cockpit guages in English, handy if your english.
2. used in all theatres, so you can fly eastern front, western front, pacific and not look out of place.
3. a great looking plane, curves in all the right places, looks like no other. great eliptic wings.
4. this and hurri are only decent english a/c but this one can climb too!. and has good canopy view.
5. has a tea flask holder on the left side of the stick

FluffyDucks
01-06-2005, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shrike_UK:
great things about Spitfire:
1. cockpit guages in English, handy if your British.
2. used in all theatres, so you can fly eastern front, western front, pacific and not look out of place.
3. a great looking plane, curves in all the right places, looks like no other. great eliptic wings.
4. this and hurri are only decent British a/c but this one can climb too!. and has good canopy view.
5. has a tea flask holder on the left side of the stick <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have taken the liberty of correcting your post, as Im sure you meant to say British rather than English. My recollection is that the whole of the UK (Great Britain), was involved in the production of, and operational use of, these BRITISH aircraft. FYI. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif