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MangasRus
06-22-2007, 09:03 AM
Hello to all.
May anybody identify these remains I photoed? It looks like FW-190 some A-model to me:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/Mangas_Rus/Pic_1.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/Mangas_Rus/Pic_4.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/Mangas_Rus/Pic_3.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/Mangas_Rus/Pic_2.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/Mangas_Rus/Pic_5.jpg

According to unconfirmed sources, the plane was shot down over Saratov, not far from Volgograd (Stalingrad) in 1942-43...
The black colour seems unnatural (if only it's not a night-fighter), so the plane was perhaps re-painted long after the war...

P.S.: These remains interests me as they show new weathering aspects...
Note those shining rivets -- only "light rivets" are clearly visible...
P.S.: Sorry for Russian vandals...

Cheers,
Mangas.

SeaNorris
06-22-2007, 09:33 AM
Looks similar to a Ju-88 in places.

DKoor
06-22-2007, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by SeaNorris:
Looks similar to a Ju-88 in places. +1 I vote for 88 too..... may be some other type, but it sure looks like 88 to me.

jarink
06-22-2007, 10:19 AM
I agree on an early Ju-88. The trailing edge of the rudder is rounded, which would not be the case on a Focke Wulf.

EAF19_DanC
06-22-2007, 10:32 AM
Yep JU 88 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Phas3e
06-22-2007, 02:38 PM
people have had alot of fun with the paint and markings over the years(red leading edges red/white rudder, JG1ish Tazelworm)
So theres a good chance the Black is an after war addon because there is green showing through on shots 3, 4 and 5 that may have been the original colour

EAF19_DanC
06-22-2007, 03:06 PM
P.S.: Sorry for Russian vandals...
Beleive it or not Russia has the most neo nazi groups in the world......and they lost the most people to the germans aswell???????

Feathered_IV
06-23-2007, 08:04 AM
Ju88 didn't have a curved fin fillet to the leading edge. Looks like a post war aircraft dressed up to me...

Phas3e
06-23-2007, 02:40 PM
Your right The Ju88 didnt have the fillet that is missing and the stabilisers were further forward.

now to search out what it was? maybe a Yak
trainer?

I think we have our german plane..

http://www.aviation.ru/Yak/Yak-50.jpg

EAF19_DanC
06-23-2007, 04:19 PM
Not quite mate, that fusalage is oval and notice the rudder counter balance on the yak is angle upwards on the wreck it is horizontal....NEXT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Phas3e
06-23-2007, 06:11 PM
The top of the rudder is so damaged you cant tell if the counter was horizontal or not

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/images/Yak50-3.jpg

pretty sure its a Yak 50/52 eh

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2007, 06:01 AM
No Dan, the counterbalance on the wreck's rudder must be angled. Check the second pic again. can't possibly be straight

Also check out the elevator control cable fairing under the tail, and the rudder trim tab. Look at where the fin's leading edge fairing is broken on the wreck. Now see where the fairing is rivetted on? Compare to the flying aircraft- it's a match.

Now consider how dented the rear fuselage is on the wreck. I don't think it was flat before. I think it's been flattened- you can see the buckling marks on the skin. Plus the fuselgae top is not so flat as you may think on the wreck

That plane flying and the wreck look like the same general mark of aircraft, no question

MangasRus
06-25-2007, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by EAF19_DanC:
Beleive it or not Russia has the most neo nazi groups in the world......and they lost the most people to the germans aswell???????

EAF19_DanC, please, let's not discuss my country's problems at this forum, O.K.? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cabar
07-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Well sorry to post after the plane was identified but thought you might want to see the paint before the Luftwaffe makeover. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.russianaeros.com/yak50product.htm

Last 2 pictures on the page show the identical underlying paint-scheme on the rudder and the wing section.

Jaws2002
07-03-2007, 07:12 PM
Someone put that Yak skin on the IAR-80. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif