View Full Version : Identifying the remains

06-22-2007, 09:03 AM
Hello to all.
May anybody identify these remains I photoed? It looks like FW-190 some A-model to me:






According to unconfirmed sources, the plane was shot down over Saratov, not far from Volgograd (Stalingrad) in 1942-43...
The black colour seems unnatural (if only it's not a night-fighter), so the plane was perhaps re-painted long after the war...

P.S.: These remains interests me as they show new weathering aspects...
Note those shining rivets -- only "light rivets" are clearly visible...
P.S.: Sorry for Russian vandals...


06-22-2007, 09:33 AM
Looks similar to a Ju-88 in places.

06-22-2007, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by SeaNorris:
Looks similar to a Ju-88 in places. +1 I vote for 88 too..... may be some other type, but it sure looks like 88 to me.

06-22-2007, 10:19 AM
I agree on an early Ju-88. The trailing edge of the rudder is rounded, which would not be the case on a Focke Wulf.

06-22-2007, 10:32 AM
Yep JU 88 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

06-22-2007, 02:38 PM
people have had alot of fun with the paint and markings over the years(red leading edges red/white rudder, JG1ish Tazelworm)
So theres a good chance the Black is an after war addon because there is green showing through on shots 3, 4 and 5 that may have been the original colour

06-22-2007, 03:06 PM
P.S.: Sorry for Russian vandals...
Beleive it or not Russia has the most neo nazi groups in the world......and they lost the most people to the germans aswell???????

06-23-2007, 08:04 AM
Ju88 didn't have a curved fin fillet to the leading edge. Looks like a post war aircraft dressed up to me...

06-23-2007, 02:40 PM
Your right The Ju88 didnt have the fillet that is missing and the stabilisers were further forward.

now to search out what it was? maybe a Yak

I think we have our german plane..


06-23-2007, 04:19 PM
Not quite mate, that fusalage is oval and notice the rudder counter balance on the yak is angle upwards on the wreck it is horizontal....NEXT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

06-23-2007, 06:11 PM
The top of the rudder is so damaged you cant tell if the counter was horizontal or not


pretty sure its a Yak 50/52 eh

06-24-2007, 06:01 AM
No Dan, the counterbalance on the wreck's rudder must be angled. Check the second pic again. can't possibly be straight

Also check out the elevator control cable fairing under the tail, and the rudder trim tab. Look at where the fin's leading edge fairing is broken on the wreck. Now see where the fairing is rivetted on? Compare to the flying aircraft- it's a match.

Now consider how dented the rear fuselage is on the wreck. I don't think it was flat before. I think it's been flattened- you can see the buckling marks on the skin. Plus the fuselgae top is not so flat as you may think on the wreck

That plane flying and the wreck look like the same general mark of aircraft, no question

06-25-2007, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by EAF19_DanC:
Beleive it or not Russia has the most neo nazi groups in the world......and they lost the most people to the germans aswell???????

EAF19_DanC, please, let's not discuss my country's problems at this forum, O.K.? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

07-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Well sorry to post after the plane was identified but thought you might want to see the paint before the Luftwaffe makeover. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Last 2 pictures on the page show the identical underlying paint-scheme on the rudder and the wing section.

07-03-2007, 07:12 PM
Someone put that Yak skin on the IAR-80. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif