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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:39 PM
Just imagine if it would be possible to combine online games one day. e.g.: Some ppl play SuddenStrike or somethign like that on a map and tell the troops where to move(some kind of generals), at the same time we give air support with our sim, while others are playing groundtroops like battlefield command or Bf1942 and all would be connected, some ppl are playing their tank sim and stuff and the actions of someone influences the others and all the with FB. The ground troops move on the same map as we, we'd see their battles while we bomb them and stuff. wow, that would be soo great. a 1000 players in one online game hehehehe

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:39 PM
Just imagine if it would be possible to combine online games one day. e.g.: Some ppl play SuddenStrike or somethign like that on a map and tell the troops where to move(some kind of generals), at the same time we give air support with our sim, while others are playing groundtroops like battlefield command or Bf1942 and all would be connected, some ppl are playing their tank sim and stuff and the actions of someone influences the others and all the with FB. The ground troops move on the same map as we, we'd see their battles while we bomb them and stuff. wow, that would be soo great. a 1000 players in one online game hehehehe

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:42 PM
Gershy wrote:
- Just imagine if it would be possible to combine
- online games one day. e.g.: Some ppl play
- SuddenStrike or somethign like that on a map and
- tell the troops where to move(some kind of
- generals), at the same time we give air support with
- our sim, while others are playing groundtroops like
- battlefield command or Bf1942 and all would be
- connected, some ppl are playing their tank sim and
- stuff and the actions of someone influences the
- others and all the with FB. The ground troops move
- on the same map as we, we'd see their battles while
- we bomb them and stuff. wow, that would be soo
- great. a 1000 players in one online game hehehehe

Sounds like BF1942 on steroids.

Wow... 1000 players at once? Can you say "Lag-tastic"?

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:47 PM
i don't mean now. one day. hehehe maybe even with holographic stuff like in Voyager.

...i think i'm going insane...

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:46 PM
If I could combine the excitment and thrill of combat in Janes WWII Fighters with a huge online genre like BF 1942 and the realism of FB, I would be that happiest person alive. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:46 PM
Well, a game called WWII Online wages a war all over Virtual Europe. You can be Brit, French, or German, and pilot planes, tanks, boats, trucks, or be and infantryman. A battle is waged all over vee-yar Europe. The main battle now is in Belgium(SP).

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:49 PM
And scientists online too, trying to invent the A-Bomb in time, and some role playing game connected in which the Hitlers and Roosvelts and Stalins out there were making crazy decisions and trying to deceive each other and something like SimCity with mayors building bombshelters and the production lines managed online by some economic simulator...

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:50 PM
Might as well throw in a little James Bond too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:02 PM
Gershy wrote:
- Just imagine if it would be possible to combine
- online games one day. e.g.: Some ppl play
- SuddenStrike or somethign like that on a map and
- tell the troops where to move(some kind of
- generals), at the same time we give air support with
- our sim, while others are playing groundtroops like
- battlefield command or Bf1942 and all would be
- connected, some ppl are playing their tank sim and
- stuff and the actions of someone influences the
- others and all the with FB. The ground troops move
- on the same map as we, we'd see their battles while
- we bomb them and stuff. wow, that would be soo
- great. a 1000 players in one online game hehehehe
-
- 2 things we need in FB:
- The 110 and the desert!!!

Some day.. That will be cool.. But keep this in mind.. No mater what day.. Past, Present or Future you will allways have only so much time and money to do things. Simple PIE chart theory.. The more of the MONEY/TIME PIE you devote to making TRUCKS the less of the MONEY/TIME PIE you will have left for making AIRPLANES.. So, as a developer, you going to have to consider that and temper it with your LOVE of what you want to do... Do you want to make the BEST flight sim ever made... Or do you want to try and DO IT ALL where everyting is just SO SO?

Think Im crazy? Compair WWII ONLINE Flight Sim Portion to IL2 FB... I think you will agree that we not only have MORE airplanes to fly.. but EACH one is DONE BETTER than the ones in WWII ONLINE...

Keep in mind.. it is personal! Some perfer the ALL SO SO... Im just not one of them! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:09 PM
True what Tagert said but if we have separate groups working on detailed areas as ground, air and tactical then it could be acomplished. Something to what Gershy is asking for already exists in some form or other in games like OPF and WW2 Online, they are the 'Castle Wolfenstein' and first "Flight Simulator" version in their genre, I do think that within a couple of years (2-5 Max) what he asks (except the holodeck dream) will come true.

If you were playing flight sims back in the mid 1980's and someone would just show you IL2:FB or even Falcon 4 they would not believe that it could be done or run on PERSONAL COMPUTER! Things change, evolve and get better...so nothing is really impossible to do, it just takes some time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:16 PM
NTESLA wrote:
- True what Tagert said

Agree 100% /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- but if we have separate groups
- working on detailed areas as ground, air and
- tactical then it could be acomplished.

Nope! In that with more people you eat up more of the MONEY PIE! Which makes your TIME PIE smaller! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Put another way... Do you want to make the best flight sim ever.. thus devoting the bulk of the team to the flight sim aspect... Or hire a differnt mix of the team where there are more truck and building makers?

- Something to what Gershy is asking for already exists
- in some form or other in games like OPF and WW2 Online,

Agreed, and if you compair the FLIGHT aspects of WW2 ONLINE to the FLIGHT aspects of IL2 FB I think you would agree that we not only have MORE airplanes to fly.. but each one is DONE better than any one in WWII ONLINE. Thus proving my whole PIE point.

- they are the 'Castle Wolfenstein' and first "Flight
- Simulator" version in their genre, I do think that
- within a couple of years (2-5 Max) what he asks
- (except the holodeck dream) will come true.

It will come true... but the PIE therory will still hold!


- If you were playing flight sims back in the mid
- 1980's and someone would just show you IL2:FB or
- even Falcon 4 they would not believe that it could
- be done or run on PERSONAL COMPUTER! Things change,
- evolve and get better...

Agree 100%

- so nothing is really impossible to do,

Disagree 100%

- it just takes some time.

Time and Money


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:24 PM
Forgotten Battles and Operation Flashpoint would be more ideal to my liking.

I don't enjoy games like BF1942 - too cheesy for my liking.

I like sims.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:30 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- Forgotten Battles and Operation Flashpoint would be
- more ideal to my liking.
-
- I don't enjoy games like BF1942 - too cheesy for my
- liking.
-
- I like sims.

Agree 100%! On that note... the sad truth is the WALLMARTING of sim making... Where the LOVE of doing something... like creating the BEST FLIGHT SIM is being re-directed by the BEAN COUNTERS to make it more MASS appeling so they can make money off of it... Hence the BF1942, MOH, etc type of WWII games... It makes me nervos.. All these Quake DOOM kids are comming of age where they want something a little more REAL... Problem is that XGEN group is too impacent to LEARN how to do things right... Thus the makers have to DUMB IT DOWN for them... And not only DUMB IT DOWN but LIE that they did so, so the XGEN crowd can FEEL GOOD about it THINKING they are playing a REALISTIC sim.. when in fact they are not... It's a TREND that worries me greatly... That coupled with all the whining for stuff that MUST BE ADDED that does nothing for the FLIGHT experance... Do I really need to see the face of the guy on the AA gun to drop a bomb on the AA gun?



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:13 PM
Well once everyone starts using fiber optics no one will have to worry about lag anymore /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Unless they live VERY far away /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sounds kiggass!


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:03 PM
Irish_Mik wrote:
- Well once everyone starts using fiber optics no one
- will have to worry about lag anymore Unless they
- live VERY far away Sounds kiggass!

Maybe... but not likly! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif In that when more resorces become avable, they typically get used. That is in the future we will still see lag, in that *than* there will be THOUSANDS of people flying in a game instead of the 20 or so we have now...

On that note, a few years back a sim called EAW came out... The neat thing about EAW was they used the additional PC resorces to PUT MORE AIRCRAFT INTO THE AIR instead of adding more EYE CANDY to the ten or so planes... It was a trend I had hoped would stick... But it didnt. Dont get me wrong... I LOVE THE WAY IL2 LOOKS! And now that I have seen it I dont think I could go back, or put up with less... But I just wish they would have devoted some of the PC and 3D card resorse to putting MORE yet LESS DETAILED aircraft into the AIR! It's personal.. I know, but that's my opinion on it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Cpt.LoneRanger
08-10-2003, 04:07 PM
If speaking about combining FlightSims, TankSims and (Tactical)Ego-Shooters, why does everybody speak of BF1942?

OperationFlashpoint was a LOT closer to a virtual battlefield and it was a LOT more realistic and was depending on teamplay.

IMHO BF1942 is nothing more than Quake with tanks. Not that it isn't fun, but it has nothing to do with simulations and seldomly with teamplay.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:18 PM
Cpt.LoneRanger wrote:
- If speaking about combining FlightSims, TankSims and
- (Tactical)Ego-Shooters, why does everybody speak of
- BF1942?

It is the latest in WWII Quake type games

- OperationFlashpoint was a LOT closer to a virtual
- battlefield and it was a LOT more realistic and was
- depending on teamplay.

Agreed 100%! And OFP is a perfect example of the type of flight model you will get when you try to do it all.. In short the flight model in OFP Blows Monkey Tails! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- IMHO BF1942 is nothing more than Quake with tanks.
- Not that it isn't fun, but it has nothing to do with
- simulations and seldomly with teamplay.

Agreed 100%.. And it has nothing to do with flight either! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:50 PM
Yep BF1942 is total Crap.. Operation Flashpoint is 10 times better.. just wait for OFP2 and we actually might have that virtual battlefield.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif where infantry, armor and airforce can work together..

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:50 PM
I love operation flashpoint, I still play it. I have all the official addons for that game.

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