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gorkyporky
04-14-2008, 02:39 PM
I have been playing this game for a couple of months. I belive i fly pretty good, but landings gave me a lot of troubles. Now, I pretty much land succesfuly everytime, at least not with to much damage. So, with increasing succes i tried landing on a carrier. And behold: except for the first attemt, every single one from then on has been sucesfull! Most landing attemots have been made with a seafire, but i have managed to land the zero, hellcat and F4U. I mean, i still crash now and then when landing on a runway, but to me, landing on a carrier is just more easy! I fly on full real, except external views, and i still land inside cocpit. So, am i just wierd, or is this for everyone.

T_O_A_D
04-14-2008, 02:47 PM
I find Carriers easier than land too, once your intune to the proper appoach.

You obviously land in a three point, or close to it.

You also have the cable to stop you, thus less bounce, compared to land, and nose overs are rare with a cable on your butt.

b2spirita
04-14-2008, 02:48 PM
same here, i find it easier than i thought. though i find it hard sometimes to take off, particularly in the sea-spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

gorkyporky
04-14-2008, 02:49 PM
i just come in with about 170 or 160kmh and just set it on the deck as close to the edge as possible.

LovroSL
04-14-2008, 04:34 PM
It could just be the fact that you mentaly prepare yourself for something challanging when you attemp a carrier landing and you are more focused on the whole procedure, while when going down on grass you just lazily bring the bird down on felling not caring much because it is so rutinely done.

Besides landing may seem easy in the sim and would still seem easy even if the sim was 100% accurate becuse here "only crahing now an then" is considered OK, while in real life when you are landing you have nail every single landing. Now try and land the seefire 100 times in a row wihout crashing...

Col.BBQ
04-14-2008, 04:37 PM
If landing on a carrier was very hard, carrier fleets wouldn't be the primary naval strength in the Pacific War. While some factors in RL isn't in-game; crosswind, freaking out, malfunctioning airplane, etc, there were thousands of successful landings which is overshadowed by a few hundred drastic crashes.

DmdSeeker
04-14-2008, 04:39 PM
Can you set sea conditions in IL-2? I seem to remember a PF promo video where the carrier was heaving in heavy seas, but I've never seen it in game (then again almost the only time I fly PTO is in Zekes v Wildcats)

mortoma
04-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
Can you set sea conditions in IL-2? I seem to remember a PF promo video where the carrier was heaving in heavy seas, but I've never seen it in game (then again almost the only time I fly PTO is in Zekes v Wildcats) Come to think of it, I have never seen the heavy seas thing either. But can't play the sim right now to find out. Waiting on a new PC that is shipping from California.

Lurch1962
04-14-2008, 05:40 PM
I haven't tried this yet, but what happens if you set the worst weather conditions (thunderstorms, I believe)? For a quick way to find out, set up a flight in QMB on the Coral Sea map--your carrier group should be to the south, if I recall correctly.

Col.BBQ
04-14-2008, 05:41 PM
You'll have to set the weather to Stormy to get the heaving carrier.

leitmotiv
04-14-2008, 09:21 PM
It's easy because the carrier is not pitching or rolling, you are not affected by funnel smoke, and because its a game! The naval part of this series was a colossal toy, unfortunately.

Lurch1962
04-14-2008, 09:40 PM
You'll have to set the weather to Stormy to get the heaving carrier.

Try adding to conf.ini, HeavingCarrierCrew=1. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Blindman-
04-14-2008, 10:03 PM
I guess that I am the weird one. It took me many trys to get my first carrier landing success. I am only now finally landing reliably (still the occasional crash due to being a meter too low).

R_Target
04-14-2008, 10:13 PM
It's probably worth considering that the thousands of safe carrier landings were performed by pilots who had already been through multiple stringent selective processes before going into action.


"We can't all be pilots."

-Cdr. Dave McCampbell, USN

Wolkenbeisser
04-15-2008, 03:33 AM
The difficulty with carrier-landings (in the sim) is to hit the deck on the right spot, with the tail low (hook). If you got used to this, carrier-landings are as easy/difficult as landings on land bases.

It could also be, that you only think its easier on carriers, because of the stronger gear that you have on most carrierplanes. It doesn't break as easy as on land based planes --> Means: If you try the same hard ok-landing of an F4U (on a carrier deck) with a Spitfire on a landbase, you'll probably break the gear.

I hope my text was understandable (english is not my native language). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

OD_
04-15-2008, 03:37 AM
Try it at night in a storm on a stationary carrier...then come back and say it is easy! You'll get cross winds, wildly pitching deck and you have to contend with the fact that you can't see it...if you want you can spend the time lighting it up in Full mission builder but it can take a while.

Xiolablu3
04-15-2008, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Wolkenbeisser:
The difficulty with carrier-landings (in the sim) is to hit the deck on the right spot, with the tail low (hook). If you got used to this, carrier-landings are as easy/difficult as landings on land bases.

It could also be, that you only think its easier on carriers, because of the stronger gear that you have on most carrierplanes. It doesn't break as easy as on land based planes --> Means: If you try the same hard ok-landing of an F4U (on a carrier deck) with a Spitfire on a landbase, you'll probably break the gear.

I hope my text was understandable (english is not my native language). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Your English is better than mine, and I live in England, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Perfectly written.

b2spirita
04-15-2008, 07:47 AM
right then, whats the biggest and/or most exotic plane you've ever taken off/ landed on a carrier?

BOA_Allmenroder
04-15-2008, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by b2spirita:
right then, whats the biggest and/or most exotic plane you've ever taken off/ landed on a carrier?

YP 80 with carrier steaming at 120kts.

VTOL all the way.

Choctaw111
04-15-2008, 10:10 AM
The differences in a carrier landing is your airspeed has to be on the verge of a stall (to keep your tail low) AND you have to land in just the right spot. I don't think everyone finds this so easy.

b2spirita
04-15-2008, 10:24 AM
"I don't think everyone finds this so easy"
i dont find it personally particularly 'easy', especially given the poor views, but that its easier than i thought it would be

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-15-2008, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by LovroSL:
It could just be the fact that you mentaly prepare yourself for something challanging when you attemp a carrier landing and you are more focused on the whole procedure, while when going down on grass you just lazily bring the bird down on felling not caring much because it is so rutinely done.

I tend to agree with this, on a base landing I'm just coming in and trying to hit the runway, with a carrier landing your head is in a totally different place, there is way more attention paid to the approach, the glide path, etc.

buzzsaw1939
04-15-2008, 01:34 PM
Practice spot landings in a head wind, you got it!

thefruitbat
04-15-2008, 03:01 PM
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M2morris
04-15-2008, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by gorkyporky:
I have been playing this game for a couple of months. I belive i fly pretty good, but landings gave me a lot of troubles. Now, I pretty much land succesfuly everytime, at least not with to much damage. So, with increasing succes i tried landing on a carrier. And behold: except for the first attemt, every single one from then on has been sucesfull! Most landing attemots have been made with a seafire, but i have managed to land the zero, hellcat and F4U. I mean, i still crash now and then when landing on a runway, but to me, landing on a carrier is just more easy! I fly on full real, except external views, and i still land inside cocpit. So, am i just wierd, or is this for everyone.
Sounds like your just a good pilot with natural abilities for it. It took me longer than you did to get comftorble with it. But now for me ater a mission sometimes I land and its likehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gifYawn,) time to land. But you should try landing on a smaller carrier if you hanvent already, like the Casablanca, those small ships can be tougher.

buzzsaw1939
04-15-2008, 08:57 PM
Show him your dead stick carrier landings Morris! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

M2morris
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Show him your dead stick carrier landings Morris! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Thanks buzzsaw, I forgot my yootube collection has a whole bunch of that kind of stuff.
Here's one:
The from-a-mountain-top glide to the carrier video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azd_8sFR4iU

buzzsaw1939
04-16-2008, 01:42 PM
Yup thats a good one! it's all about air speed control, and thats not easy in a sim, took me 4 trys to do that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Like I said before, I think your a natural Morris! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jarink
04-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
It's easy because the carrier is not pitching or rolling, you are not affected by funnel smoke, and because its a game! The naval part of this series was a colossal toy, unfortunately.

Agree 100%. No pitching, rolling, heaving, swirling airflow from the island and other planes on deck, mechanical failures, pilot fatigue (sitting at a desk is, shall we say, just a little different than flying a 2-4 hour combat mission in the S. Pacific with no A/C.) or many other innumerable little factors that make landing on a carrier one of the hardest jobs in aviation.

pcheyne
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
Once you've landed, how do you go back and view the replays like that? I'm assuming that you actually landed using the cockpit view. Sorry if this is a dumb question!

TheFamilyMan
04-22-2008, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by pcheyne:
I'm assuming that you actually landed using the cockpit view.
I'm wondering the same thing. I never fly without the cockpit view, which makes finding the deck very tricky at times. I usually have to make at least 2 passes to peg a carrier landing, and so do my flying buddies.

M2morris
04-23-2008, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by pcheyne:
Once you've landed, how do you go back and view the replays like that? I'm assuming that you actually landed using the cockpit view. Sorry if this is a dumb question!
Not a dumb question.
When you are done flying and you escape-out it gives you options: Save track, Done, Refly.
Hit 'save track' and then give it a name. Then you can go refly again or escape back to the main menu and watch tracks, then just pick the one you want to see. (If you hit 'done' after flying, you lost that flying segment.)