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09-26-2005, 07:57 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif A few photo's from a trip my wife and I took to the USS Massachusetts at Battleship Cove, Fallriver Mass.





09-26-2005, 08:18 PM
A few more...




09-26-2005, 08:46 PM
Just a couple more...




09-26-2005, 08:57 PM
One more....


09-26-2005, 09:08 PM
Nice, unfortunately I don't have any pics but I'm been there many times. I grew up about 45 minutes south.

They have an amazing collection of models, even more extensive than the planeset in this game. The full-size aircraft they had (at least when I was there) was the Trojan that was on loan...

09-26-2005, 09:29 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Here it is...


09-26-2005, 09:34 PM
Last one...


09-26-2005, 09:49 PM
Very last one... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


09-26-2005, 10:29 PM
Nice pics, Woofie. Hey, that looks like a Charlie model gunship in front of the Trojan...

09-26-2005, 11:55 PM
Nice. Did you buy the hat? My Missourri (sp?) hat is a prized possesion of mine.

09-27-2005, 06:13 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Glad you all like the photo's...we had a Great time there.
And... Oh yes... I picked up a New Hat... couldn't pass that up! LoL

09-27-2005, 02:43 PM


09-27-2005, 02:46 PM
Boat Armies are cool.

09-27-2005, 03:12 PM
You know you are getting old when you see planes you actually flew in a museum...lmao...I definitely flew that T-28.

09-27-2005, 03:26 PM

When were you in the Commonwealth? Did you get up to Bawstin at all?

09-27-2005, 04:36 PM
Great photos, Wolfie. One day, when I win the Lotto, I'm going to tour all these ships you lot have preserved. Glad someone did. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-27-2005, 04:46 PM
Jesus, that is one very dangerous looking ship with all them guns!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif. What class is she as well? Not an Iowa?

Lovely shots there, i Love the way you Americans preserve your naval history, it put's Britian "and rulers of the see" to shame, it really does

09-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Oh, I don't know about that, HMS Victory and the rest of the historical displays at Portsmouth are pretty impressive.

09-27-2005, 07:47 PM
Mass is a South DAkota class BB, smaller than the 4 Iowas. THey were about the size of the washington class. Mass and Alabama survive as memorials. iVE got some good pix of the alabama around here, shes identical. She does have one of the turret barbets open though.

I wondering how woofie got those great pix wihtout people being in the way. I can never do that, as i have identical shots but wiht too many carbon based lifeforms. The ala is beside the submarine Drum that sank 15 ships, including a couple of DDs. several planes on display that keep getting huricane damage, including a P51D thats in 1942 23rd pursuit type markings (sheesh). They also have several armored vehs and a B-52D that flew combat over Vietnam.

I gotta get to Mass someday, never seen that many ships on display.

I didnt know thtey had 2 PTs there. Did you get any shots of the Soviet nanoushka class missle boat? thats odd how they got a fairly modern vessel like that. The modernized Gearing class DD is nice to, as i forgot aobvut them preserving the Kennedy.

We do preserve a good bit of our old ships , but not enough. The enterprise was supposed to be saved, but bungling saw it scrapped in 59.

The STyx missle is interesting to. thanks for the pics.

09-27-2005, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by pacettid:
Oh, I don't know about that, HMS Victory and the rest of the historical displays at Portsmouth are pretty impressive.

Yes they're okay as far as they go, but considering Britain invented the dreadnought, which rendered the existing capital ships of every other navy obsolete overnight, and upon which all subsequent battleship designs were based, it's astonishing that the biggest warship we preserved was the heavy cruiser HMS Belfast.

Then again, at the same time these huge ships were becomng obsolete, Britain was in the poor house, bankrupted by two world wars and an empire that cost more than it earned. The money simply wasn't there to save them for posterity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

09-27-2005, 10:51 PM
Chuck_Older... I live just north of Worcester Mass and my daughter lives just outside of Bawstin. LoL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Enforcer572005... LoL... I went on Monday and there were a few crowds... but I managed to say ahead of them for the Snap Shots.
I was Very Lucky that one of the Vet's that works there let me into some of the areas that are locked up for a few of the photos I took.

Great place... it takes pretty much a day to see most of the areas on board the ships, boats and sub.

I'm glad that you all enjoyed the photo's... my wife and I had a Great time... although we had to leave Woofiedog at home. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

When I get a little more time there are a few more photo's I'll post.

09-28-2005, 01:15 AM
I have some shots of BB55 North Carolina and some of BB62 Missourri when she visited in 1991 around here. I shall poke around a bit if anyone wants.

09-28-2005, 02:23 AM
Waldo.Pepper... would love to see them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Anyone with any photo's of the USS Texas out there or matter of fact any of their countries saved vessels and would like to post them here for the rest of us???

09-28-2005, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture004.jpg ok im ignorant , what the story behind the thing sitting next to the red-tipped shell ?

09-28-2005, 06:07 AM
Badsight... shell fragment left over from the engagment with the French Navy during the Casablanca Landings.


09-28-2005, 06:28 AM
Enforcer572005... I took some photos of the Hiddensee... and had three photo cards for the camera... but filled those faster than I thought. And the Hiddensee was the last ship I visited. But I'll post what I have though.
I'd like to see those photos of the Alabama if you could post them.

09-28-2005, 02:55 PM
BB55 North Carolina as promised.

Big Mo up tomorrow.


Art shot.


From the bow.


View from the Bridge.


Flak guns.


Flak gun.


A paravane on display on the stern.


Ship bell and a propeller on display on the stern.

09-28-2005, 03:34 PM
Extremely Nice photo shots Waldo.Pepper!
I'm looking forwarded to the other photo's you have.
Thank's for posting and sharing them with us.

Again Thank's

09-29-2005, 07:35 AM
Here are a few photo's of the PT Boat's that they have there at Battleship Cove.



09-29-2005, 01:45 PM
These were taken by myself in I think September of 1991 when the USS Missouri visited Vancouver. This visit was the second to last stop the ship was to make before being put on permanent display in Hawaii.

The day was grey so the pictures are rather poorly lit, and the camera was an antique German one I had at the time. I also shots loads of video that day as well.

Most of the pictures are self evident, and I shall try to keep the commentary minimal.


Big Mo was anchored in Burrard Inlet for the day. While the water taxi that took us out to the ship was bobbing around in the sea - the Battleship was absolutely rock solid. It was as if I you were still standing on solid earth. When at sea the ship would certainly pitch and roll the bulk and solidity of the ship was an extremely impressive.



Bow on. Note the barges tied up alongside.


Taken from the barge. Note: the tanks. A crewmember mentioned to me that the fuel economy is something like 6 gallons a foot. Who knows. I hope he was kidding.


A Tomahawk box, with some Harpoons poking out on the left.


Ships bell on the bow.


"Z" Turret, rear deck.


"A" Turret.





Shells and bag charges on display. Lovely wooden deck.



The ship's combat ribbons.


Tomahawk box again. Note he Tomahawks painted on them. Indicating that this box was fired during the Gulf War.


This was supposed to be a picture of the antenna and other various ESM equipment but it more clearly shows the kit used for refueling at sea in the foreground.




09-29-2005, 08:33 PM
magnificent shots all....those were great foul weather shots....photography is my profession, and i can tell you that is a good job.

Woofiedog....i gotta find those negs, slides or prints so i can scan them. Might be this weekend, but i will post them on this thread.

09-30-2005, 01:04 AM
Enforcer572005... That would be Great to see those photo's of the USS Alabama.
My photobucket is full right now but after a little house cleaning I'll post those shots of the Hiddensee for you.

Waldo.Pepper... Excellent photo's Thank You for sharing all these fantastic shots with us.
And I agree about the Quality of the photo's... Very Nice Again Thank's
I noticed that they have modified the turret's on the USS Missouri... by eliminating the Optical View Finders.



09-30-2005, 01:38 AM
Here are a few of the Hiddensee...






09-30-2005, 01:13 PM
A few shots from the sub...



09-30-2005, 02:44 PM
Wicked stuff Woof man. If I haven't said it before thanks.

09-30-2005, 03:02 PM
Waldo.Pepper... Thank's for sharing your photo's with us!
Some Very Nice photo shot's of the USS Missouri
and USS North Carolina... it is interesting to compare the up-dates added to the Iowi Class ships with the older and fairly close to the WW2 versions of the USS Massachusetts and Carolina.
Again Thank's

09-30-2005, 11:27 PM
i didnt notice the lack of the view finders on the mo......i wonder why they did that....I thought those things were used in Vietnam on the new jersey. I guess something alot simpler came along.

It sort of looks like a big piece of add on armor beneath where it was located, but i doubt that is what that slab of metal is....just looked kinda odd.

the soviet missle boat is amazing. those are the most detailed photos ive seen of that class. never saw the stern layout before. it also seems to have the non standard missle tube arrangement. ill try and find my ala pics tomorow. I hope i still hvae room on photobucket with all my screenies from my VVS project still on there.

10-01-2005, 12:30 AM
didnt notice the lack of the view finders on the mo......i wonder why they did that....I thought those things were used in Vietnam on the new jersey. I guess something alot simpler came along

They can use gunlaying radar, and these days I cannot imagine a reason why gps could not be used for fire direction.

During the Gulf War they coordinated their fire with rpv's as well.

10-01-2005, 08:47 AM
A link about the Hiddensee history...


10-01-2005, 08:31 PM
Finally found some ALabama pics, but they were in my "reject" box, so they are not that great, certainly not of pro level. when i find the best ones ill post them here and bump this.

the first clealy shows the armor belt......nothing could get through that, at least nothing did.

Alabama is a sister to the Mass, both of the South Dakota class (4 ships). this is from the 40mm mount atop turret 2.

the crowsnest, 5 in diectors, and armored conning tower. scoreboard abaft the starboard bridge wing. These have NOT been adjusted for contrast or exposure, as they were all seconds i filed away.

this is the aft turret. Man these are lousy, but I WILL find the best ones. note that the canvas coverings on the barrels have nearly all rotted away. other than that, its pretty well maintained i think. these pix were taken in 1990.

this is looking aft toward the starboard cat wiht kingfisher, a screw, and you can see where a 20mm mount had been mounted. it originally had 60 20mm in single mounts, and 64 40mm in quad mounts (i believe), all radar directed.

10-01-2005, 08:58 PM
this is looking over a 20mm at the B-52D that was crippled over hanoi in 72 but made it back. lots of planes there in the park, but out in the open as of 1990. dunno their condition now.

USS Drum, 15 jpns flags on the conning tower (ill post that if i can ever find it). Last pic i saw of her, she was listing severly, needing some work. some great periscope photos of DDs and transports sinking.as seen from stern of Ala.she played the part of a north korean surplus submarine in the movie "under siege".

this is under turret 2, the only barbette open to the public on any memorial ship, at least it was back in 90. My, um, "assistant" there (she's toting my camera equipment,see) likes it because it's so....big. No she's not bucktoothed, just biting her lip at the vast size of everything. (she is built a bit like Jessica Rabbit though-same chick in the flight suit photo in my VVS fihgters thread).
you can see well down into the area whree the charges are loaded, and on this deck tehre are 16 in projectiles mounted around the walls....if i can ever just FIND the d@mn things.there was a major scene from teh movie "under siege" fimed in this barbette, in fact most of the movie was filmed on board.

Last and certainly least is this 51D thats painted in the most absurd paint job ive ever seen a warbird in, short of that idiot that bought teh P-51B Shangi-la and painted it bright red as "triple K". I cant believe people this ignorant of history could be in charge of such displays; like the former head of the smithsonian who wanted to scrap all the warbirds because they werent PC. this was in 90, so im sure its been damaged by hurricanes again and hopefully repainted, or at least put in a shelter. Any1 know if those birds are still exposed to the salt air? Alabama is in mobile bay, her starboard side facing the open ocean. Thats why she gets used alot in movies, like war and rememberance.

10-01-2005, 11:24 PM
The AH-1 on the first page of this thread is a AH-1G (modified). The nose has a TSU system for the TOW missles. The TOW was a wire guided missle. They have been replaced by the new modern laser guided Hellfire system used on the AH-64 Apaches. I also have to say yes, I'm getting old too, as I did not fly on the ship....I did work on it when I was in the service (1st CAV / Ft. Hood TX)....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

10-02-2005, 03:42 AM
Enforcer572005... Excellent photo's... I see that they keep up on the maintance by the well kept condition the Alabama is in.
And that they have a Kingfisher on board. I believe that the Kingfisher from the Massachusetts is out on loan. I saw it way back in the late 60's on one of my first trips there.

They took the Massachusetts 300 miles back up to Boston for dry dock repair back in 1998.

Here's a link: http://www.battleshipcove.org/gallery-drydock.htm

Do you have any more photo's of the insides of the barbette... I thought they had closed off the turrets on the Massachusetts when I was going through... but one of the Vet's working at the Cove later on told me they had open the #3 turret to the public... but it was getting late so I didn't have a chance to go back.

One of the differences with the Iowa class ships is that they are mounting 16/50 Guns... where the South Dakota/N. Carolina class's have 16/45 guns.

Here is a little artwork on #2 turret.


Again Thank's for these photo's of the USS Alabama!

10-02-2005, 03:50 AM
D-Humphrey... Thank You for the information on the AH-1G.

10-02-2005, 09:08 AM
yes woofie, i have more shots inside the barbette.....the turret is open but i couldnt get in for all the little mongrells playing
grab-@ss at the entrance while their breeders ignored them......ok my attitude is showing again...sorry.

I will find them, may take a few days. i will bump this up when i do. got a great one of Carla (my "assistant") standing beside a row of 16in projectiles looking up, and one of the bagged charges on the hoisting mechanism down in the guts of the barbette.

The kingfisher has the wrong wing floats...off an albatross i think. they never could find the right ones. im amazed that thing is in as good a shape as it seems to stay. my first trip to ala was around 1968.

ive also got a few of Texas that some1 sent me yrs ago, but i have no idea where those are. If i seem unorganized for a guy who makes most of his living off photography, its because ive got about 10 zillion slides, negatives, and prints filling too much space, and i mainly keep track of hte stuff i use commercially or sell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

10-02-2005, 09:18 AM
The pics of mass in dry dock are great.

I almost forgot...i saw yesterday in sea classics magazine that the last independance class cvl, Cabot, was scrapped a couple of yrs ago. i didnt know that. it was supposed to me memorial, but judges and lawyers got involved, and when you get the worse elements of our society involved in anything (especially the judges) things go to blazes.

That thing could hve just been put away someplace until it could be saved. Thats the same kind of useless fate that the Enterprise met in 58.

10-02-2005, 01:55 PM
Excellent photo's and information there gents thank you all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

10-02-2005, 03:21 PM
tHeBaLrOgRoCkS... Enforcer572005 & Waldo.Pepper have posted some Excellent photo's from their collections here on the thread.
Glad you enjoyed them... Thank's

Enforcer572005... Love to see those Barette shots and of the USS Texas... the Texas being one of the Last of the WW1 BB ships in the world.

It's to Bad about the CVL Cabot[ending up as a Artificial Reef]... she had quite the historical background in WW2.

Thank's Again though for the Great Photo's you have posted..

10-03-2005, 05:04 AM
ok, i found some more, but again they arent first choice, just seconds. The exposure and contrast havent been adjusted, but big deal.
this is a 20mm mount to port, complete wiht a reminder for the gunners. THis was 1988, not 90, and for some reason it was as crowded as a ship evacuating Dunkirq. Makes for lousy photos, cats in thier burmuda shorts etc. note -5 corsair in background.

a view looking portside aft, showing the layout of the Drum and some of the planes. Note the B25j under repair from hurricane damage. Also an F6F, also exposed. There is a conning tower from another high scoring sub in the background.
Using all these nautical terms makes me hungry for spinach for some reason (yuk yuk yuk yuk).

this is my eagar assistant Carla demonstrating the proper sighting technique for the 20mm.

10-03-2005, 05:17 AM
This is the Lexington, in its last shipyard visit before she was decom in the early 90s, now at corpus christie i believe. she was the training carrier for decades, but i never saw her in all the trips i made to pensecola. I climbed to the highest point on the ala superstructure thats open, and saw the lex in a shipyard across the bay. this is a 500mm lens zoomed out to max and cropped to enlarge the ship image.

to illustrate the cramped conditions on a warship, i submitted this shot of my assistant dutifully climbing her way up the decks and through the tiny hatchways-not easy carrying a load of camera stuff and a purse. I insisted on following her in case she tripped or something....how gallant of me. (the 109 guys will probably gripe about how the empanage is overmodeled).

heres a close up of a 20mm. Notice the recoil springs and the mounting itself, as well as the thickness of the armor shields.

10-03-2005, 02:28 PM
Here's a photo shot from the Destroyer Bridge...


10-03-2005, 02:35 PM
Enforcer572005... Very Nice shot's... any close up's of the aircraft in the background.

10-03-2005, 06:53 PM
yeah woof...lots. I just gotta find the d@mn things. They have some nice ones, including a rare F-105B. got some good ones of that -5 corsair in korea markings, loaded with 5in rockets. Where the blazes are these things? I hve found alot of other photos i had "lost" while looking for htis stuff though.

The bridge is interesting. I didnt realize that gearing/sumner class DDs had that much room.

10-06-2005, 01:48 PM
Enforcer572005... Check out Taylortony posting on the USS Alabama. Very Sad sight.

10-06-2005, 06:47 PM
yes, i just saw it...my god. I cant believe how much that place has changed since 88. was glad to see the planes inside, but alot of good it did them. and the drum is out of the water now.

the state will fix all that.....its too much revenue not to. they say on their site that they will fully restor it. Did you see the list of planes htey got now? even an SBD. I saw the damaged P51 was painted differently now to. thank god. Never had anything like that happen in the 41 yrs she's been there. D@mn. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

10-07-2005, 06:11 AM
These big Gunned Ships might be impressive, but then in London we use Guns of equal size and stature to simply keep the tourists off the Grass.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


10-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Taylortony... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

A Very Sad sight down at the USS Alabama site... Bradley Air Museum out here in Massachusetts also lost quite a few of it one of a kind displays in a storm we had back in 1979.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The Bradley Air Museum, started in 1967 by a dedicated group of aviation enthusiasts, nearly met a sudden and untimely end on October 3, 1979.

Shortly before three o'clock in the afternoon, during a heavy rain storm, a tornado with winds of up to 150 mph touched down on Route 75 in the Poquonock section of Windsor and cut a quarter-mile wide path of destruction north to Suffield. The storm caused extensive property damage, personal injuries, and a small number of fatalities.

The Museum's outdoor exhibit, then located adjacent to Route 75, stood in the center of this path; in less than 8 minutes, the display of 30 pristine aircraft was reduced to a pile air of aeronautical junk. Twenty-three aircraft were totally destroyed, and most of the remainder were severely damaged.

Museum Director Phil O'Keefe has conducted a preliminary review of all the aircraft in the outdoor exhibit to determine the feasibility of restoration for future display. of the 31 aircraft on display (including the Ramada F-102), only four are intact, with relatively minor damage.

Boeing B-47
Martin B-57

Douglas A-3
Vought Regulus

An additional four aircraft are classified as salvageable:

Grumman E-1
Boeing B-29

North American B-25
Boeing Bomarc

Seven airplanes have been put into the potentially salvageable category:

Republic RF-84F
Boeing B-17/299Z

Grumman TBM
Douglas A-4

Lockheed P2V
Convair F-102

Lockheed F-104

Two are questionable whether it is feasible to salvage.

Grumman HU-16B
Northrop P-89

The rest are considered a total loss, although many parts will be salvaged.

Douglas C-54
Lockheed Constellation

Lockheed T-33
Douglas C-133

Douglas C-124
Douglas F4D

North American F-86
Convair T-29

Vought F8U
Boeing-Vertol YHC-LA

Sikorsky CH-37
Sikorsky H-19

Fairchild C-119
Convair F-102

Hopefully they will be able to straighten out repair and salvage some of those aircraft they have at the Alabama site.

10-07-2005, 03:52 PM
Woofie believe me when i say nothing is impossible with Aircraft, I have rebuilt stuff you would think were fit for scrap........ Indeed a lot of the so called flying spits these days in the UK are more or less the Identification plate, one I know that is flying in the States was a rebuilt Gate Guardian and I know for a Fact the only original parts in it are the leading edge on one wing and the data plate..................... Stuff looks worse when it is stacked up like that, once you pull it all apart and see what you have you will be suprised what you have and you can achieve....... you can buy all the parts to build a Mustang off the shelf in the states, so damage to that is not a problem, one does wonder in these cases if a berm would not have been a good idea around the building, it could have been landscaped in so you would not see it and would have protected the buildings.... but saying that it did have a battleship infront of it, still a berm all the way around it would have stopped that.......... I know its a bit James Bondish but even steel plates that motor up out of the ground to protect the building windows would seem a good idea, nailing a few boards on and crossing your fingers seems to be nieve in the extreme...

10-07-2005, 06:19 PM
TT is right woofie...those machines are all repairable: Kermit weeks lakeland fla museum is the reesurection of the one he had in miami taht was desttroyed by a hurricane several yrs ago, but its almost all been repaired. his F4B4 biplane was crusshed, but is being restored, and the B17 (nonflyable yet) was carried a couple of miles by the wind, but will eventually fly again. He also has a Tony with the original engine.

he had flown out the flyables, but couldnt move the others in time. He also has the only flyable sunderland. it just takes money, and he has plenty of that. The P51C in lee archers markings belongs to him i think. And he also has the only flyable mossie, but i dont think he flies it anymore becuase of rarity. I photographed taht in 97 in arkansas, and its at the EAA museum in oshkosh i think. anyway, they will be repaired.

the b17 at the bradly museum is currently beign restored completely (if its not already done) by tom rielly in fla.....it was a test bed for a turbo prop in the nose but a new nose has been made for it....will be totally restored.

that building should have had some slanted outside walls to deflect the wind a bit, like angled armor on a tank. i dont understand why they dont take such precautions, since the planes were damaged before. those verticle walls make for a good wind catcher. they should have been quanset hut tyype like the buildings at the airforce museum in dayton.

Taylor tony, isnt taht the imperial war museum? are those 14inchers, or what? Really amazing the RN didnt preserve at least one BB....teh nelson or rodney would have been my choice.

At least they still have the victory...i read where it is still used as a RN hq vessel.....dunno how accurate that is though.

10-08-2005, 06:40 AM
I agree about how they can resurrected these aircraft from just scrap metal... as in the case of these birds. Brought back to life from wrecks found in Russia.


But it is the money and hard work for these projects... unless you have someone willing or wanting a War Bird bad enough to come forward with it all. As in the case of the P-38 found in the Greenland ice.
Most of these small museums don't have that much to go on except for single projects.
The distruction at the USS Alabama site will take some time to put the place back in order.

As in the case of the Bradley Air Museum.
A quote from the BAM web site.
The volunteers and our employees have been wonderful. We have had all the help we could use, and exactly when we have needed it. There is a long, hard reconstruction period ahead of us, but everyone I've talked with is absolutely certain that we'll make it. We will need continued help and support of all of our members, as well as many outside Volunteers and business firms, but sometime down the road, we will look back upon October 3, 1979 not as the end, but rather The Beginning of the Bradley Air Museum.
See links below.
As you can now see most of the aircraft at BAM are now inside... although some of those aircraft that were destroyed in the storm are still missing.

I sure that the Alabama damage will be repaired... but it will take a lot of effort, money and time to replace what they already had to begin with.


10-08-2005, 09:30 AM
Taylor tony, isnt that the imperial war museum? are those 14inchers, or what? Really amazing the RN didnt preserve at least one BB....teh nelson or rodney would have been my choice.

At least they still have the victory...i read where it is still used as a RN hq

vessel.....dunno how accurate that is though.[/QUOTE]

To quote the site
"The building, with its spacious gardens dominated by a pair of fifteen inch naval guns from the battlecruisers Rodney and Ramilles, makes a fitting home for what is probably the most impressive military museum in the UK".

check out the aircraft galleries on it



Victory is still used as a Headquaters yes, you heard correct http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


click on the heads link to find wwhere the Naval term for toilet came from http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


It is actually part of a musuem complex ..

Another one of interest in the UK you can go around is



legend has it she was still flying her Flag when discovered on the Seabed

10-09-2005, 02:14 PM
Cool.....i dnloaded some pics of that uboat from a site that had no furthre info on it some time ago. thanx for posting that...really interesting.

I didnt know one of those guns was from the rodney....i think that was an amazing design, prematurly withdrawn i think.