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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:30 AM
The team is aware, and fixed, the SB takeoff problems, the DB3F having a non-glass nose, and sea planes exploding when landing on a particualar spot on the water map. Mistakenly, the version with these three issues was used for the 1.1 version. This should not have been termed the final 1.1 patch. I apologize for this confusion.

The good news is that these three fixes and the Bf-109K-4 rudder issue will be addressed very soon in a 1.11 patch. We also plan to release the dedicated server patch next week assuming no new problems arise.

Bests,
Matt

Matt "Wags" Wagner
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:30 AM
The team is aware, and fixed, the SB takeoff problems, the DB3F having a non-glass nose, and sea planes exploding when landing on a particualar spot on the water map. Mistakenly, the version with these three issues was used for the 1.1 version. This should not have been termed the final 1.1 patch. I apologize for this confusion.

The good news is that these three fixes and the Bf-109K-4 rudder issue will be addressed very soon in a 1.11 patch. We also plan to release the dedicated server patch next week assuming no new problems arise.

Bests,
Matt

Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
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09-05-2003, 08:33 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:49 AM
Take your time. No Rush. We still have 1.1b to play.

Any word on any new Full Mission Builder developments? Thanks.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:52 AM
Well this is certainly a minor issue but it has been present since the start (V1.0). It certainly looks pretty stupid! How about fixing the cement shoes on the static/stationary P47s? 3rd time requesting this one!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:53 AM
heheh too long standing at AF , no Airpressure in Tire , go and call the mechanic to refuel *lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:57 AM
Thanks for the update. the problem i really hate is the AI Me-262 takeoffs, particularly when they continue to try to take off across the grass until they explode or are shot up. I don't mind engine misfires and poor throttle control but it really irks me that my flight leader will keep full throttle across the grass after initiating a bad engine start and then exploding. Worse is that if you put th eplane on autopilot it will continually circle the leaders aircraft on the ground until the leader dies.!

Otherwise i'm quite enjoying the current version of the patch, though the FW-190 seems a little too powerful now.

LLv34_Jani
09-05-2003, 09:25 AM
- the AI Me-262 takeoffs, particularly when they
- continue to try to take off across the grass until
- they explode or are shot up.

This has been fixed in 1.1 final.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:28 AM
Thanks Wags, for the speedy action and post.
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:53 AM
Wags wrote:
- We also plan to release the
- dedicated server patch next week assuming no new
- problems arise.
-
- Bests,
- Matt
-
- Matt "Wags" Wagner
- Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
- IL-2 Forgotten Battles
- Lock On: Modern Air Combat



How about releasing the dedicated server for public instead.

So this game can finally "take off"

I dont get it. When LOMAC will come, if that doesnt support a dedicated non-gfx server. The end of hosting MP simulators is near.

I dont belive it is fair that you must have two megalomania computers just to be hosting a server. And playing on the other one.

If you want to make more money, why not release a RETAIL-SERVER version or something. I would buy it for sure.

Im sick of you UBI guys! You are ruining yourself.

btw the sim is great. Good work Oleg!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:10 AM
nice to see their already working on it


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:10 AM
- Wags wrote:
-- We also plan to release the
-- dedicated server patch next week assuming no new
-- problems arise.

Yes that is very good news, if I had the dedicated server to use patch with :-(

(please let us have the dedicated server... :-)

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Message Edited on 09/05/0309:12AM by BadBernie

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:19 AM
yea i would agree petter_gul

but thanks a lot 1c/maddox games, you have really made an excellent game, its easy to play and has a lot of fun planes to fly.

thanks for rhe constant progress updates as well.



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:25 AM
Thanks Matt,

Much appreciate the hard work that's gone into the patch by all concerned.

Best Regards

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:32 AM
Great!
Thank you for all your work and for your prompt response to the last patch's problems.
Thanx also for keeping FB the great piece of software that it uses to be!

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fluke39
09-05-2003, 10:49 AM
Oooo

ok - thank you wags

i would D/L the 1.1"final" but for my 56k connection, then i could possibly help spot any new issues with it..

as things are i will wait for 1.11 and trust to othrs with faster connections to do the work.

jolly good show anyway

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:17 AM
pls tell me that you will retweak the 109 performance ... it's totally castrated now... talking about all 109's well except for the g2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:02 PM
Can we get a clarification on what that Dedicated Server patch means?

Are you saying that the dedicated server will be released to the public?

Or are you saying that there will be a 1.1 patch for the dedicated server, which no one has for public use anyway?


I suppose it might be better to ask if UBI has any plans to release the dedicated server to the public at all, it's been over a year and there has been no word on it, only rumors. Would be nice to get the facts once and for all.


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:07 PM
Wags; the only 'Very Soon' is today /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I hold you personally responsible that it's today just because you used those 2 words /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:10 PM
Thankyou Wags !!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:16 PM
Wags you need to have netwings yank this Mirror soon !!!


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09-05-2003, 12:26 PM
Fix the p39 and 190 damage models http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:30 PM
Gimme a million dollars and fix a date with Britney!!!


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:31 PM
Vengance please Make a difinative POSTING about this situation there is MUCH CHAOS @ Hyperloby

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:44 PM
i see u are working on the p-47...gettin there, not quite right. mebby u should dig up more data on what the 47 was capable of. the germans would deliberately stay out of range when the 47's were running bomber escort. hmmmm wonder why.

another yet to be fixed is the 50 caliber tracers. u cant see em. if the 50 calibers were as faint in real life as in this game, we'd either be speakin german or jap. this needs fixed......bad. u'll have the german/russian guns spit shells u can easily write ur name with......why not the 50 cal's?

what i'm really gettin sick of is the trimming jazz. trim tabs are only 1/16th the size of elevators, rudders, airleons......they wasnt designed to slam a bat plane la-7 into a turn that pulls about as many g's as a f-16. any real propeller plane would shear apart at the stresses i've seen in the air so far. far from realistic. that area needs fixed also. it should be that, if u overstress a prop bird in a turn cause ur at too high of speed to begin with, the wing will shear off. no prop bird could survive a 50 foot turn radius at 450+ knots; it would come apart pure and simple.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:46 PM
cozmo_d wrote:
- Wags you need to have netwings yank this Mirror soon
- !!!
-
Done - what a mess :-(



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:49 PM
Thx Wizard

Many people on hyperloby are confused someone needs to make a post with full details !!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:49 PM
Awesome thanks!!! Can you put some new planes in 1.11? say a P-51 and the new ones we keep seeing in the Development updates? Like the Ki-84, the A6M, and the B-17? Also a flyable P-38 would be nice, could you wait for that? Thanks in advance. I'm one of the lucky ones who does not by rule play on the computer on the weekdays. Minus late Friday night. So I did not download the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:52 PM
what about the engines on the pe-2? are they still bullet reistant?

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:04 PM
Yes, but the plane loses wings or tail pretty fast now, so it is killable....

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:10 PM
Outstanding!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Thanks alot!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:11 PM
In my opinion Don't release the patch, until most of the worst new bugs are gone.. see here:
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:11 PM
People please stop posting requests for more stuff we just need a working patch for now !!!!


I have two questions:

Will I have to uninstall FB ? because I patched 1.1b with 1.1 Final (17MB) version.

Or will 1.11 patch 1.1(the screwed up release)

or........ ???

second when you say soon what does that mean ?

Soon as in sometime today soon ?

Or soon as in sometime this month soon ?

Please be more specific soon is so broad I dont need a time or date just a general idea week, weeks, month ?




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Message Edited on 09/05/0307:48AM by cozmo_d

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:20 PM
Wags wrote:
- The good news is that these three fixes and the
- Bf-109K-4 rudder issue will be addressed very soon
- in a 1.11 patch.

Indeed good news!

We also plan to release the
- dedicated server patch next week assuming no new
- problems arise.

WHAT DO YOU PLAN????? Could you repeat it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Damn, I can't believe it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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Finally!

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I have the same question of cozmo_d:

For those who have already installed 1.1, I have not a clear idea if 1.11 will redeem the problems of 1.1, or if you have to uninstall FB, re-install FB and patch with 1.11...

Just curiosity, I don't really care, since...



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:57 PM
TX-Zen wrote:
- Can we get a clarification on what that Dedicated
- Server patch means?
-
- Are you saying that the dedicated server will be
- released to the public?
-
- Or are you saying that there will be a 1.1 patch for
- the dedicated server, which no one has for public
- use anyway?
-
-
- I suppose it might be better to ask if UBI has any
- plans to release the dedicated server to the public
- at all, it's been over a year and there has been no
- word on it, only rumors. Would be nice to get the
- facts once and for all.
-
-
- Much appreciated,
-
-
-
-
- TX-Zen
- Black 6
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-
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The day UBI decides to release the dedicated server to public, is the day Usama Bin Laden wears a pair of jeans and a t-shirt on his way to McDonalds to grab a burger.

It just wont happen they are too greedy with that UBI.com thingy.

I have given up.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:59 PM
Cosmo, I wish I could sort this out for ya but I'm as much in the dark on this one as you.

What I know though is that Wags and all at UBI and 1C are working like h-ll to get the right patch out asap.

I'd sit tight some more and if we don't get a new patch during friday then looks like a reinstall incase this issue is a showstopper for your squad.


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09-05-2003, 02:14 PM
I sure hope someone got fired over this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:52 PM
Thank you for the "Heads Ups" Wags.

Very much appreciated getting an explanation out within 24 hours of the patch becoming available. (My regards to the FB team, my personal thoughts are that IL2/FB is one of the finest Sims I have ever had the pleasure of getting my butt shot off in).

(Taking FB off the drive. Reinstaling, and patching back up to 1.1b).

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:54 PM
"fired for this" its just a game m8

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:00 PM
cozmo_d wrote:
- Thx Wizard
-
- Many people on hyperloby are confused someone needs
- to make a post with full details !!!
-
Wish they would! I have no official notification to pull the mirror (not a suprise there) I made the decision based on the UBI front page no longer showing it and Gibs posting about email from Oleg.

There seems to be some work needed on cordination me thinks!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:09 PM
At the risk of being just another opinion on all this, I think we need to cool our jets a little; no, a lot!

It's time for some reality here. This is a $40 game we're talking about. If I didn't know better, I'd swear guys had thousands of dollars tied up in this game! I'm certain that if this keeps up, Oleg and the team will simply go off and do something else. I'm surprised really that they have hung in this long. Proof that they truly are committed to this game.

I've watched games I loved (e.g. Fly! and EAW) simply dry up because of competition and demands from their customers. I remember the shameful "petition" and other utter non-sense that went on over B17-II -- a $35 game! I'm watching this right now and can't help but think that if this hateful bickering continues, we're going to be left with CFS, the only deep pockets in town. Do you want that?

I'm not advocating a "praise and worship service" to Oleg either. I've seen quite a bit of that going on around here too and I felt like taking a shower afterward. Why don't we all exchange emails and complain to one another and leave the emotional outbursts off the message boards?

I guess I am just another opinion after all.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:10 PM
Franta wrote:
- "fired for this" its just a game m8
-


IL-2 FB is a commercial product like any other software. So why making any difference because "its just a game".

Is a game less worthy, so people accept less quality or publisher and developer can deal with it in careless manner?

We paid for the product and expect adequate quality and support.


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:15 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Cosmo, I wish I could sort this out for ya but I'm
- as much in the dark on this one as you.
-
- What I know though is that Wags and all at UBI and
- 1C are working like h-ll to get the right patch out
- asap.
-
- I'd sit tight some more and if we don't get a new
- patch during friday then looks like a reinstall
- incase this issue is a showstopper for your squad.
-
-
If it is a show stopper and uninstalling is too unpalatable then you can still get the patch here:

http://www.3dgamers.com/games/il2sturmovik2/

Don't know how much longer it will be there though!

Hunter82
09-05-2003, 03:20 PM
The dedicated has been planned all along. It was planned to be released as said before by Matt. No dates are given because the reaction by most if a 1/2 hour late is ridiculous...some people act like heroin addicts at a methadone clinic when they don't get their 'meds' on time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . See if this phrase goes through anyones heads....."gimme, gimme, I need, I need" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The statement of Ubi being greedy is incorrect...in fact they have done much more than ANY company to correct issues raised by the community for FREE.... I would suggest people calm down with their Ubi is evil crap or you may lose what's left of a community that chooses to eat itself up daily.



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- The day UBI decides to release the dedicated server
- to public, is the day Usama Bin Laden wears a pair
- of jeans and a t-shirt on his way to McDonalds to
- grab a burger.
-
- It just wont happen they are too greedy with that
- UBI.com thingy.
-
- I have given up.
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:24 PM
Franta wrote:
- "fired for this" its just a game m8

First of all, it's a product (like someone said a little bit earlier). To you it's just a game. To several others it's their job and to yet other people it's *THE* way to relief some stress gathered during real life.

Secondly, I was joking.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:36 PM
I agree with Hunter completely.

While we each have our opinions on how UBI handles things, there is no logic in constant negative comments bashing UBI which lately are getting out of control.

We all know some things have not gone as smoothly as they might have but at the end of the day, what difference does it make? We have the game, we get our patches, we fly, we have fun. There is no sense in spreading a hostile atmosphere in the forums because we don't get what we want when we want it.

Regardless of UBI's actual performance, what does anyone gain from slamming them other than a hit to their own reputation? The patch won't arrive any sooner because of such comments and it adds unnecessary stress to all involved, so why waste the energy? Ugly comments unfortunately don't change anything, I think that's pretty well established.

A better idea in my mind is to keep negativity out of the forums, keep it civil and on topic. While it may change nothing, it does show that we are mature enough to roll with the punches, that we still appreciate the game and we are here because this community is about us and our enjoyment of the sim. Blasting everything in sight that is not perfect is a rather poor choice inho.


Salute

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Black 6
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:41 PM
Here here!!!! you also need to tune down these bombers as guys are puliing maneuvers that would rip the wings off in real life, and also tune down the AI gunners on the PE8 as they are rediculously accurate ......

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:43 PM
Here here!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Totally agree...


TX-Zen wrote:
- I agree with Hunter completely.
-
- While we each have our opinions on how UBI handles
- things, there is no logic in constant negative
- comments bashing UBI which lately are getting out of
- control.
-
- We all know some things have not gone as smoothly as
- they might have but at the end of the day, what
- difference does it make? We have the game, we get
- our patches, we fly, we have fun. There is no sense
- in spreading a hostile atmosphere in the forums
- because we don't get what we want when we want it.
-
- Regardless of UBI's actual performance, what does
- anyone gain from slamming them other than a hit to
- their own reputation? The patch won't arrive any
- sooner because of such comments and it adds
- unnecessary stress to all involved, so why waste the
- energy? Ugly comments unfortunately don't change
- anything, I think that's pretty well established.
-
- A better idea in my mind is to keep negativity out
- of the forums, keep it civil and on topic. While it
- may change nothing, it does show that we are mature
- enough to roll with the punches, that we still
- appreciate the game and we are here because this
- community is about us and our enjoyment of the sim.
- Blasting everything in sight that is not perfect is
- a rather poor choice inho.
-
-
- Salute
-
- TX-Zen
- Black 6
- TX Squadron CO
- http://www.txsquadron.com ( <A HREF=)"
- target=_blank>http://www.txsquadron.com</a>
-
- clyndes@hotmail.com (IM only)
-
-
- <img
- src="http://www.txsquadron.com/uploaded/tx-zen/Zen
- sig2.jpg">



Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:46 PM
TX-Zen wrote:
- I agree with Hunter completely.
-
- While we each have our opinions on how UBI handles
- things, there is no logic in constant negative
- comments bashing UBI which lately are getting out of
- control.
-
- We all know some things have not gone as smoothly as
- they might have but at the end of the day, what
- difference does it make? We have the game, we get
- our patches, we fly, we have fun. There is no sense
- in spreading a hostile atmosphere in the forums
- because we don't get what we want when we want it.
-
- Regardless of UBI's actual performance, what does
- anyone gain from slamming them other than a hit to
- their own reputation? The patch won't arrive any
- sooner because of such comments and it adds
- unnecessary stress to all involved, so why waste the
- energy? Ugly comments unfortunately don't change
- anything, I think that's pretty well established.
-
- A better idea in my mind is to keep negativity out
- of the forums, keep it civil and on topic. While it
- may change nothing, it does show that we are mature
- enough to roll with the punches, that we still
- appreciate the game and we are here because this
- community is about us and our enjoyment of the sim.
- Blasting everything in sight that is not perfect is
- a rather poor choice inho.
-
-


Agreed....

...nevertheless the community is just kind of a mirror and should make Ubi rethink their behaviour in some area as well.

schofei

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 03:57 PM
Nitty-Gritty wrote:
- Here here!!!! you also need to tune down these
- bombers as guys are puliing maneuvers that would rip
- the wings off in real life, and also tune down the
- AI gunners on the PE8 as they are rediculously
- accurate ......
-
-

Hi again Nitty-Gritty!

That was all down to Monty_Dan's skill m8 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And the gunners have been in training for months with Monty_Dan, he knows each one by name, their inside leg measurement and their wife's birthdays! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

'Cmon, it was a no stalls n spins server, the PE8 is an AI plane under a human's control (at least I think Monty_Dan is human /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) and to expect it's flight model to be accurate is well...........

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:05 PM
Thanks for the good news about the patch. Just a quick question- is there any news about the upcoming addon? I know that this is a VERY boring and predictable question, but since no one else has asked yet I thought that I would take the opportunity.
Make sure you do not rush it though, since I'd rather have a well finished product rather than one full of bugs.
Thanks again for the news.

To be able to fare well,
To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
That, in this world, is happiness.
-Euripides' Electra

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:06 PM
I find it interesting that it is 'our fault' they don't annouce stuff as per Hunters post.

Too bad I can't blame the customer where I work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Edit: This community has only asked for communication. If you say it's out on a particular date, and it can't be done by that particular date, normally it's a good practice to not wait the day AFTER that particular date with an update http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Common sense here - lack of communication is the problem - that is all. No one is upset that Wags posted there was an error - I'm glad to see the communication - sure beats waiting for a week then telling everyone. Furthermore, it was my understanding that we were beta testing. Wouldn't it make sense to send out an updated beta copy to complete testing rather than just say "ok, final" without testing?

I see a faulty project management approach imo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:07 PM
@ Hunter82, maddox/1c maybe doing for "free", but its for profit (and therefore there pay) as much as anything else. Its just basic customer service, if u want repeat customers you give them good service, so in this case u keep in contact with community, find out what they like, dont like (this gives top quality market research), fix issues with the game (that maybe should of been fixed b4 game release), etc etc, u do this you have customers comming back, this helps to ensure your own survival, just simple, but not shallow doing it for "free", as a wise capitalist once said you have to spend money to make more money.

Konigwolf

PS i love this game, and if it had of been as bug free as the original it would of been damn near purrrfect.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:29 PM
This place has changed.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . Thinking about putting in for a transfer where I dont have to hear the babies.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 04:49 PM
Petter_Gul wrote:
-
- The day UBI decides to release the dedicated server
- to public, is the day Usama Bin Laden wears a pair
- of jeans and a t-shirt on his way to McDonalds to
- grab a burger.
-
- It just wont happen they are too greedy with that
- UBI.com thingy.
-
- I have given up.
-

Sorry had to reply - I've just seen Osama Bin Laden wearing jeans and a T-Shirt with burger in one hand and a copy of the Raven-Shield SA (stand alone) server which he got off the UBI site.


Oohhh some ppl are sooo scepticle - but I bet I don't find a prize in my McDonalds promotion straw! Ahh bugga a free flurry but I don't like flurrys damn you McDonalds i H8 u.

Hunter82
09-05-2003, 05:11 PM
My comments are directed to those who basically do not have the ability to interact with many others without name calling and screaming bias, it's all Ubi's fault, etc.

Yes you/we are beta testing as was stated many times before. The information being compiled fixed etc is being done with an internal beta group and the external group of users. That's alot of people,information, and work. Each post/e-mail that is checked involves not only the people here but the group and 1C/UBI.

Those who conduct themselves in a mature manner deserve respect and have it. Those who scream like a child that has just seen a spider...well they get the level of respect that they give /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can only speak for myself on these issues and here's the disclaimer " I do not work for UBI /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif " .

My time around here is hopefully for community building....it just seems to me there are more vocal users lately who wish to destroy it than see it grow. The overall tone has changed since prior to FB release after the first delay and has not gotten better since then. The UBI hate speach started around then and has increased since then. I find that to be wrong personally but that is just my opinion...there are others who will be vocal about that..it's understandable and their opinion. Personally I spend boatloads of money/time a year testing things for FB much like many others for no personal gain. Understand that this is done for selfish reasons.. the survival of aviation sims not status. This is also done for the overall community.....

People like Ian Boys, MattM,Skypat,AcesHigh,Euro_Snoopy,Ham,Luthier,Gibb age,Sammie, Bad Bernie, TX, Greater Green,Jiri,CsThor,Dali,Sharx,Carl Norman,Oleg and crew, Matt and crew, etc deserve your respect for their work..I continually see people show disrespect for them in a way I have never seen before here or in any other community before. It's a deep blow to overcome... and for what? Why is the reason? It's just something I cannot comprehend as it's not part of my belief system. To those not listed please accept my apologies the list is long and numerous and each individual deserves recognition for their work..

What I would ask for is people think before they post, not about the entire issue but the person on the other end that will read the post...... does that person really deserve the lack of respect being shown or should we the community support the Publisher/Developer make what we agree is the best flight sim out something we all can enjoy..... You are right that the community is a mirror as is the reaction by some to ask for a community not division amongst it.

There is such a thing as quid pro quo

Recon_609IAP wrote:
- I find it interesting that it is 'our fault' they
- don't annouce stuff as per Hunters post.
-
- Too bad I can't blame the customer where I work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:25 PM
Hunter,

The dislike for UBI started when they couldn't fix the slow downs on this forum. I don't think it has anything to do with IL2/FB.

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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 05:39 PM
If a slow forum is a basis for the comments some make and how they bring forth their messege I really have lost touch..... I don't think the forum was the cause of the release date fiasco,screams of bias and claims of piracy support so frequent. Whatever each individual believes is the root cause of these problems it needs to be corrected before there is no community left... I think overall the CWoS decision was the best possible answer for a large community issue..after all was said and done those that wish can post there without Ubi having a legal obligation. There are many answers to each question/issue it's the path we choose to find the answer that is what concerns me.



BuzzU wrote:
- Hunter,
-
- The dislike for UBI started when they couldn't fix
- the slow downs on this forum. I don't think it has
- anything to do with IL2/FB.


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:50 PM
@ Hunter82

Normally nobody is crying for no reason. So actually there must be some reason.

And not to forget, also the screamers are customers. So Ubi/Maddox would be wise also listening very carefully to those people.

A growing number of people is getting more and more unhappy (to say it in friendly words) with the current situation.

As I have stated before, the community is kind of a mirror reflecting the many minor issues actually summing up.


schofei




Message Edited on 09/05/0304:59PM by schofei

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:59 PM
No one ever said that the dedicated server patch would NOT be released to the public, it in fact will be.

Yeah, we love you too Petter_Gul...

-Matt

Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
IL-2 Forgotten Battles
Lock On: Modern Air Combat

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:01 PM
Yes, Ubisoft / 1C will release the dedicated server patch to the general public.

-Matt


TX-Zen wrote:
- Can we get a clarification on what that Dedicated
- Server patch means?
-
- Are you saying that the dedicated server will be
- released to the public?
-
- Or are you saying that there will be a 1.1 patch for
- the dedicated server, which no one has for public
- use anyway?
-
-
- I suppose it might be better to ask if UBI has any
- plans to release the dedicated server to the public
- at all, it's been over a year and there has been no
- word on it, only rumors. Would be nice to get the
- facts once and for all.
-
-
- Much appreciated,
-
-
-
-
- TX-Zen
- Black 6
- TX Squadron CO
- http://www.txsquadron.com
-
- clyndes@hotmail.com (IM only)
-
-
- <img
- src="http://www.txsquadron.com/uploaded/tx-zen/Zen
- sig2.jpg">



Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
IL-2 Forgotten Battles
Lock On: Modern Air Combat

Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
IL-2 Forgotten Battles
Lock On: Modern Air Combat

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:38 PM
Wags wrote:
- Yes, Ubisoft / 1C will release the dedicated server
- patch to the general public.
-
--Matt


Wags, I don't think that answers the question. What was being asked was whether the server patch will allow us to create dedicated servers, or whether it is a fix for connecting to the UBI.com service.

(PS, thanks for all the threads you've stuck up recently - very useful, and it's good to know you're working on things.)

Hunter82
09-05-2003, 06:39 PM
You are correct the community is a mirror... I do not consider the community just these boards either, but all forums relating to IL2 and flight sims in general. I visit most but rarely post on them.

Food for thought.....ever put 2 mirrors facing each other? The possibilities are infinite, the choice is ours. Do we continue on the course we are on or do we create our own path to correct the greater issues? I think civility needs to come first, after that I think information will flow more freely. The cause of most issues are not deliberate, our reaction to them are. I only ask that we react in a mature manner and give respect to everyone. People who consistently are disrepectful, ignore them. They will soon leave or change their ways..

I don't think it is a lot to ask from people to react rationally to these situations. I understand emotions are high, some are just, some are from those who expect too much or can never be pleased. IMO.


Flight sims are a niche market...it's our job to see they survive....one only needs to look around to see it shrinking...very few titles are released in this product type. MS has discontinued their flight sticks recently..it's a market trend based on share and profitability. There was no overall change in their product for years. They need only to fill supply and demand with very little need for increased software development...yet it was discontinued. Even very little resources needed could not create a signifigant demand for the product continuation. Where does that demand come from? The flight sim market is shrinking....once again it's our job to create the demand...not the death.


I'm not saying that it's wrong to voice an opinion...what I am saying is I believe the messege gets lost in the delivery. Emotions need to be controlled to a certain extent or those who give their time and make their living doing this will find a path of less resistance to achieve their goals.


As for the growing amount of people getting frustrated I understand their situation...trust me I do. There are only so many hours in the day to work on these things..that goes for everyone involved in any aspect of this....they
also have families,friends,jobs,etc. Everyone does their best and at the best of their abilities until they pass out..... Don't be fooled into thinking Ubi or 1C do not care about their product or customers as some would have you believe. To those who think that I'm sorry I cannot explain it any better,nor do I believe it would do good to attempt. It seems to fall on deaf ears.

I should post the times of the day and day of the week, in their repsective time zones, I have received e-mails from Oleg and Matt ....then anyone who can tell me they do not care or work hard for your respect,your purchase, and loyalty may just have a award winning book on work ethics they should put to press /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


schofei wrote:
- @ Hunter82
-
- Normally nobody is crying for no reason. So actually
- there must be some reason.
-
- And not to forget, also the screamers are customers.
- So Ubi/Maddox would be wise also listening very
- carefully to those people.
-
- A growing number of people is getting more and more
- unhappy (to say it in friendly words) with the
- current situation.
-
- As I have stated before, the community is kind of a
- mirror reflecting the many minor issues actually
- summing up.
-
-
- schofei
-
-
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 09/05/03 04:59PM by schofei



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:41 PM
Hunter, you are too wise for your age /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

Very well said! What a guy!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:42 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- You are correct the community is a mirror...


Dude....that was damn great post.

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Message Edited on 09/05/0301:43PM by USAFHelos

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:55 PM
We plan to release three patches for 1.11:

1.0 to 1.11
1.1b to 1.11
1.1 to 1.11

As such, you will not have to worry about reinstalling FB.

As for soon, that means in the near future. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Sorry, but given the nature of complex software and the reaction I would see if 1.11 is not out when I project, I will not give any dates. Never again.

-Matt


cozmo_d wrote:
- People please stop posting requests for more stuff
- we just need a working patch for now !!!!
-
-
- I have two questions:
-
- Will I have to uninstall FB ? because I patched 1.1b
- with 1.1 Final (17MB) version.
-
- Or will 1.11 patch 1.1(the screwed up release)
-
- or........ ???
-
- second when you say soon what does that mean ?
-
- Soon as in sometime today soon ?
-
- Or soon as in sometime this month soon ?
-
- Please be more specific soon is so broad I dont need
- a time or date just a general idea week, weeks,
- month ?
-
-
-
-
-
- <center> <img
- src="http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_109_106
- 2480429.jpg"> </center>
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 09/05/03 07:48AM by cozmo_d



Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
IL-2 Forgotten Battles
Lock On: Modern Air Combat

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:56 PM
<blockquote style="background:#444444;color:#e0e0e0;">
<blockquote>Unfortunately, it's only a 50% dedicated server.
It will only support Dog Fight Mode.

Whatever reason not to include support for cooperative gaming mode (and every VEF, Iron Skies, et al "war") is so far beyond me that I can't even articulate it without coming across poorly.



Great Ideas Put to Rest:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zuygf


http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zwrky

</blockquote>
</blockquote>



Wags wrote:
- No one ever said that the dedicated server patch
- would NOT be released to the public, it in fact will
- be.







Message Edited on 09/05/0311:01AM by tolwyn.com

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:56 PM
hi,
nice diplomatic words...

but in my long marketing experiences..

however.. the user is my potential and often the king and sometimes the kid .. respect to all ...

the first thing I do when my clients are angry about my service...

clear statement and more better work in the future..

quality management and best services on high advanced products...that's what I'm missing in most of the cases in the game genre...

welcome to the future...




Hunter82 wrote:
- You are correct the community is a mirror...

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 06:59 PM
Why would they only do it for Dogfight Missions? That makes no sense - what difference is there between the two?


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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 07:11 PM
You are correct about service and potential. However in my marketing and operational experience you also have the red line scenario.

This being the line where

revenue - cost of goods sold = margin - operational expenses - sales/marketing expenses - depreciation - good will = profit dollars


When the costs exceed the profit this is where decisions are made to not support product lines and ultimitly their failure......The decision is ours to support or not...we do however end up being the factor that decides the equation


starfighter1 wrote:
- hi,
- but in my long marketing experiences..
-
- however.. the user is my potential and often the
- king and sometimes the kid .. respect to all ...
-
- the first thing I do when my clients are angry about
- my service...
-
- clear statement and more better work in the future..
-
- quality management and best services on high
- advanced products...that's what I'm missing in most
- of the cases in the game genre...
-
- welcome to the future...


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:12 PM
I have to tell you people that UBI-Soft is in business to make a profit. However the amount of support that they give us here in these forums is, from what I've seen over the last couple of months since I started looking at these forums, is more than satisfactory. I used to play red BAron 2 and there was no support at all. I never knew about RB3d till i joined a squad and they told me about it..Sad stuff...I play other games online and the closeset to this amount of support is half-Life/Counterstrike. I am verry happy here and with ubisoft. I understand that you have a valid argument when you state that "you paid for your game so..." and "they ignore their community..."or are "slow to communicate with us..." so on and so forth...But the way to address these issues is not in the general discussion forums...It honestly hurts and insults those people who dedicate time, energy, and resources to this game at their own expense. What im trying to say is that we have a very decent amount of support here and many, many of us who play games like it very much...Please do not ruin it by hateful whining and uncontrolled outbursts in forums...Press the contact us button or send an email. Don't dampen the forums please.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:25 PM
Hats off to Hunter, I couldnt agree more.

I started haunting this forum right after IL2's initial release and truly enjoyed the open discussion on flight simming, combat tactics and the occasional off topic humor...

These days I, at best,skim for new releases info and a skin by Hammerd or the like... but I hardly ever even bother posting anymore. Most of the attitude I find of late sounds like a bunch of adolescents daring each other to raise the most h3ll...

And the funny thing is, the guys I actually fly with on hyperlobby (too many to mention) dont act this way..

So at the end of the day , I just hope Oleg and co. can sift thru the BS and realize the true sim community does appreciate the efforts.

Just my two cents,

Airmikey

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:31 PM
That would be really awsome...If we could get the P51..
By the way, Boosher, that sig is awsome dude !!



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:31 PM
Thats great news on the dedicated server!
(third post)

"The *#&%ing develloppers #!&@$$*ed up the game again, and the #*%&$ing testers didn't catch it! You #*%#@ers couldn't code a &$*@ing piece of softwear if you're sorrey lives depended on it! I know why yuo did this. Yuo hate me, dont you! You KNOW this is teh ONLY plan I fly, adn now it's PORKED!!1! That's it; i'm unninstaling FB as soon as I hit "Post," adn im going back to CFS1! Thsoe guys nkow how to write teh game!!!!1"

ZG77_Nagual
09-05-2003, 07:32 PM
These guys - Ubi and 1c - are way over the top support wise in proportion to the size of this niche market. I really hope they don't take this bbs too seriously - it has an incredible amount of really disheartening garbage on it. I assume oleg has good channels for info - and that those who post here with legitimate suggestions have established more direct avenues so those guys don't have to wade through a bunch of demoralizing sludge to find anything useful.

Thanks for your perspective Hunter and Wags

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:36 PM
What, that it only supports 50% of the game?
Care to comment how that's great news?

Targ wrote:
- Thats great news on the dedicated server!
- (third post)

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:36 PM
The aggression comes from the extreme dilettantism with which we dedicated users are tortured by Ubi and Maddox. FB/Il2 is in many respects an unequalled sim, the Sim of Sims, but the permanent changing of flightmodells is really making me sick. For instance in every patch now since first Il2 the Me109 flightmodell has been changed a lot. It takes constant relearning and its getting COMPLETELY ABSURD after a while. Was the K4 the great plane of 1.0 or the castrated joke of 1.1b/1.1 ??? Why are the Ratas demonfighters again ?? etc. etc.The damn flightmodells never seem to get balanced and when they are slowly approaching some compromise or we get used to them its all overthrown again.
And then the maddening, cryptical,bad and incomplete documentation ! In the readme of 1.1 it says: Some further tweaking has been done on the 109 family ! What b..sh.i is this ??? Why cant someone be so kind and tell us which planes have been changed how and why ??????? That would be usefull for a change.

Bugs are reported over and over and over again and still dont get fixed. Instead new ones are invented. A "final" patch is released and it cuts the ruddders from a plane. What are all you glorious testers doing ???? You are plainly pathetic. Give me a tester job, i can do it better. I just play the game 2 minutes and * stumble over it, maybe you should do that too ??? You release "patch" 1.1b and people cant fly on UBi anymore without patching their registry. Still many people have problems connecting or hosting, is it adressed yet ? NO.
The best version of the game for me was the final of Il2, hopefully we will get to this quality again. Really, after testing this new "patch" which was now withdrawn i was so disapointed that i seriously considered throwing this garbage heap FB away and converting to some other sim. But the alternatives suck so much that i wont,but neither will i fly this game anymore until its seriously patched correct! I am so tired of waiting for new patches and releases which always kill the joy with their bugs. And by the way, my impression that Oleg is biased is nowadays my bias, its been hardened through two years. Its hard to be a LW pilot in FB.
Maybe people like to attack UBI rather then Maddox because UBi better fits in some paranoid big ugly company scheme, personally i have not much complaint about UBI, they give good suppport to the game and behave quite alrigth in my opinion. I am just pi.s.ed by Maddox. Only one thing about UBI: WHy do we always get so little information about what is really going on with developmentplans ? Someone leaked something about a dedicated server, why dont you tell us whats up ?

In conclusion: Yes, on one hand we all should be gratefull for the work done for us and on the other hand we have all right to be disappointed, angry and agressive because its done so sloppy, haphazard, stupid and wrong time over time and thus ruins our nerves. You UBI people should understand by now that Sturmovik is a cult and not a game...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Yours,
II/JG54_Zent

Hunter82 wrote:
- My comments are directed to those who basically do
- not have the ability to interact with many others
- without name calling and screaming bias, it's all
- Ubi's fault, etc.
-
- Yes you/we are beta testing as was stated many times
- before. The information being compiled fixed etc is
- being done with an internal beta group and the
- external group of users. That's alot of
- people,information, and work. Each post/e-mail that
- is checked involves not only the people here but the
- group and 1C/UBI.
-
- Those who conduct themselves in a mature manner
- deserve respect and have it. Those who scream like a
- child that has just seen a spider...well they get
- the level of respect that they give /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can only speak for myself on
- these issues and here's the disclaimer " I do not
- work for UBI /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif " .
-
- My time around here is hopefully for community
- building....it just seems to me there are more vocal
- users lately who wish to destroy it than see it
- grow. The overall tone has changed since prior to FB
- release after the first delay and has not gotten
- better since then. The UBI hate speach started
- around then and has increased since then. I find
- that to be wrong personally but that is just my
- opinion...there are others who will be vocal about
- that..it's understandable and their opinion.
- Personally I spend boatloads of money/time a year
- testing things for FB much like many others for no
- personal gain. Understand that this is done for
- selfish reasons.. the survival of aviation sims not
- status. This is also done for the overall
- community.....
-
- People like Ian Boys,
- MattM,Skypat,AcesHigh,Euro_Snoopy,Ham,Luthier,Gibb
- age,Sammie, Bad Bernie, TX, Greater
- Green,Jiri,CsThor,Dali,Sharx,Carl Norman,Oleg and
- crew, Matt and crew, etc deserve your respect for
- their work..I continually see people show disrespect
- for them in a way I have never seen before here or
- in any other community before. It's a deep blow to
- overcome... and for what? Why is the reason? It's
- just something I cannot comprehend as it's not part
- of my belief system. To those not listed please
- accept my apologies the list is long and numerous
- and each individual deserves recognition for their
- work..
-
- What I would ask for is people think before they
- post, not about the entire issue but the person on
- the other end that will read the post...... does
- that person really deserve the lack of respect being
- shown or should we the community support the
- Publisher/Developer make what we agree is the best
- flight sim out something we all can enjoy..... You
- are right that the community is a mirror as is the
- reaction by some to ask for a community not division
- amongst it.
-
- There is such a thing as quid pro quo
-
-
- Recon_609IAP wrote:
-- I find it interesting that it is 'our fault' they
-- don't annouce stuff as per Hunters post.
--
-- Too bad I can't blame the customer where I work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:45 PM
Wags, it's my impression that the 1.1b and 1.1 "patches" were simple archives of new or modified files that overwrote the original, outdated files. No existing files wre "patched" in the strictest sense (i.e., edited in place). This is why no reinstallation has been necessary, and our user preferences remain unchanged.

Am I correct? And if so, will future patches work the same way?

- SliM

Wags wrote:
- We plan to release three patches for 1.11:
-
- 1.0 to 1.11
- 1.1b to 1.11
- 1.1 to 1.11
-
- As such, you will not have to worry about
- reinstalling FB.
-
- As for soon, that means in the near future. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Sorry, but given the nature of
- complex software and the reaction I would see if
- 1.11 is not out when I project, I will not give any
- dates. Never again.
-
--Matt
-

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:46 PM
It appears that someone is reading those emails we send them. And I know they got mine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanx Matt for "Staying Of The Ball"

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:49 PM
A non-whining post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wags, is there any chance we could get some details on the dedicated server?

Thanks

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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 07:57 PM
Zent you have not received a 'patch' yet for FB....the one released yesterday was a beta mistakenly released. The other you've choosen to install was the 1.1B for testing purposes. The documentation was not intended for you to read since it was not the true final patch. Wags the producer made the announcment today about the dedicated server ( read his threads in red ) All of your concerns have been discussed and for the most part addressed...you're posting out of emotion without researching the facts. It's understandable.....now for all of us glorious testers if you installed 1.1b you have just insulted yourself and have asked for double duty being brought on... I like your work ethic....two weeks on the job and you are screaming for more work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Relax man it's coming soon and the K4 will be fixed.

Zentaurus wrote:
- The aggression comes from the extreme dilettantism
- with which we dedicated users are tortured by Ubi
- and Maddox. FB/Il2 is in many respects an unequalled
- sim, the Sim of Sims, but the permanent changing of
- flightmodells is really making me sick. For instance
- in every patch now since first Il2 the Me109
- flightmodell has been changed a lot. It takes
- constant relearning and its getting COMPLETELY
- ABSURD after a while. Was the K4 the great plane of
- 1.0 or the castrated joke of 1.1b/1.1 ??? Why are
- the Ratas demonfighters again ?? etc. etc.The damn
- flightmodells never seem to get balanced and when
- they are slowly approaching some compromise or we
- get used to them its all overthrown again.
- And then the maddening, cryptical,bad and incomplete
- documentation ! In the readme of 1.1 it says: Some
- further tweaking has been done on the 109 family !
- What b..sh.i is this ??? Why cant someone be so kind
- and tell us which planes have been changed how and
- why ??????? That would be usefull for a change.
-
- Bugs are reported over and over and over again and
- still dont get fixed. Instead new ones are invented.
- A "final" patch is released and it cuts the ruddders
- from a plane. What are all you glorious testers
- doing ???? You are plainly pathetic. Give me a
- tester job, i can do it better. I just play the game
- 2 minutes and * stumble over it, maybe you should do
- that too ??? You release "patch" 1.1b and people
- cant fly on UBi anymore without patching their
- registry. Still many people have problems connecting
- or hosting, is it adressed yet ? NO.
- The best version of the game for me was the final of
- Il2, hopefully we will get to this quality again.
- Really, after testing this new "patch" which was now
- withdrawn i was so disapointed that i seriously
- considered throwing this garbage heap FB away and
- converting to some other sim. But the alternatives
- suck so much that i wont,but neither will i fly
- this game anymore until its seriously patched
- correct! I am so tired of waiting for new patches
- and releases which always kill the joy with their
- bugs. And by the way, my impression that Oleg is
- biased is nowadays my bias, its been hardened
- through two years. Its hard to be a LW pilot in FB.
- Maybe people like to attack UBI rather then Maddox
- because UBi better fits in some paranoid big ugly
- company scheme, personally i have not much complaint
- about UBI, they give good suppport to the game and
- behave quite alrigth in my opinion. I am just
- pi.s.ed by Maddox. Only one thing about UBI: WHy do
- we always get so little information about what is
- really going on with developmentplans ? Someone
- leaked something about a dedicated server, why dont
- you tell us whats up ?
-
- In conclusion: Yes, on one hand we all should be
- gratefull for the work done for us and on the other
- hand we have all right to be disappointed, angry and
- agressive because its done so sloppy, haphazard,
- stupid and wrong time over time and thus ruins our
- nerves. You UBI people should understand by now that
- Sturmovik is a cult and not a game.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )
-
- Yours,
- II/JG54_Zent


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:46 PM
DrDave the prophet is wise and all knowing. Heed his words!

DrDave said:
there's a major difference between reporting a bug and whining. Even if you've got a legitimate bug like this K4 rudder business, there's a good way and a bad way to report it. See if you can guess which is the good way:

1. "After installing the latest patch, I've noticed that the 109K4's rudder is completely unresponsive, and I believe this to be a bug in the patch, as it worked before I installed it. I hope this can be fixed quickly."

2. "The *#&%ing develloppers #!&@$$*ed up the game again, and the #*%&$ing testers didn't catch it! You #*%#@ers couldn't code a &$*@ing piece of softwear if you're sorrey lives depended on it! I know why yuo did this. Yuo hate me, dont you! You KNOW this is teh ONLY plan I fly, adn now it's PORKED!!1! That's it; i'm unninstaling FB as soon as I hit "Post," adn im going back to CFS1! Thsoe guys nkow how to write teh game!!!!1"

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:50 PM
patch to patch the patch..... it is getting more and more weird...

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:59 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:07 PM
What patch?

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:25 PM
Wags wrote:
- We plan to release three patches for 1.11:
-
- 1.0 to 1.11
- 1.1b to 1.11
- 1.1 to 1.11
-
- As such, you will not have to worry about
- reinstalling FB.
-
- As for soon, that means in the near future.


Wags,

Sorry to complicate this, Sir, but I have a question that I know must be on the minds of all reading this:
1.1 is not compatible with 1.1b. If your squadmate inadvertently installed 1.1, he/she MUST reinstall the game to revert to 1.1b, or else sit out on the online fun. I understand that you do not wish to say "when", especially after seeing the way that parts of this community react to missed projections, but would you ADVISE us not to uninstall FB if we installed 1.1? Or is there a chance that those of us wishing to play online will miss out for quite some time if we are to wait? As it is, the community has been divided by the two different versions of the game. There was quite a bit of turmoil over this issue at HL this morning.
Thank You for all that you have done today. I know it must have been hectic.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:25 PM
Targ wrote:

-- DrDave said:
- there's a major difference between reporting a bug
- and whining. Even if you've got a legitimate bug
- like this K4 rudder business, there's a good way and
- a bad way to report it. See if you can guess which
- is the good way:
-
-
- 1. "After installing the latest patch, I've noticed
- that the 109K4's rudder is completely unresponsive,
- and I believe this to be a bug in the patch, as it
- worked before I installed it. I hope this can be
- fixed quickly."
-
- 2. "The *#&%ing develloppers #!&@$$*ed up the game
- again, and the #*%&$ing testers didn't catch it! You
- #*%#@ers couldn't code a &$*@ing piece of softwear
- if you're sorrey lives depended on it! I know why
- yuo did this. Yuo hate me, dont you! You KNOW this
- is teh ONLY plan I fly, adn now it's PORKED!!1!
- That's it; i'm unninstaling FB as soon as I hit
- "Post," adn im going back to CFS1! Thsoe guys nkow
- how to write teh game!!!!"


I understand that mistakes happen & this is one of thoes times that a big one happend maybe this should be a leason to all of us that the people, working @ UBI/1CMaddox/ED are all humans and humans make mistakes, just as I do & you do on a daily basis, UBI/1C/ED deserve your respect no matter what, just as you deserve to be respected, I will be the first to admit ive said a few harsh things in the past on these forums out of frustration and yes I regret thoes moments of insanity but they have been few and far between normaly I try to help when I have a real answer to a real problem....... and have helped many people on voice coms to set up there sound/video/etc...so that they can enjoy this sim as best as possible....

I hope that some of my other postings are not taken out of context or that maybe they are making others psych out

IE: the K4 rudder situation there was a thred up & in it, I posted some dum/funny replies like: Give us back our rudder you furry bastid & we dont need no stinking rudders & how can Hittler win the war with no rudders..... these were ment in pure fun with no ill intension directed at anyone because I knew 1C will fix it asap & its no big deal, but now in heinsight I can see that maybe thoes posts arent as harmless as I thought maybe thoes kind of posts are making others post worse and more disrespectiful postings....

Id realy hate too see this community vanish & dont kid yourself it can happen.

I realy think if we all made an effort to give UBi some respect then maybe they will start giving us back some respect, like updating the joint and fixing the msg bord or whatever, but you cant expect it too happen overnight we live in a fast paced world & everyone wants there stuff now including me but we all need to stand back a bit take some deep breaths & wait patientaly & show some respect & then I think you will see UBI show us some respect as well.....

Give it a chance it cant hurt anything right ?

Im as guilty as anyone & im sorry for that !!!
(ill try to not joke around as much some people may take it the wrong way & have)


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:35 PM
- Cozmo wrote:
-
A very, VERY good post.

However, I saw the cookie monster thread, and your comments and I laughed so hard that my wife had to come see what was so funny. She has no interest in FB, but laughed as hard as I did. I never took your humor as inflamatory, and it was a nice break from all the hate mail that was being posted.

One more thing, Sir.
to you:
Much respect


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Message Edited on 09/05/0304:36PM by tsisqua

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:39 PM
Wags wrote:
- We plan to release three patches for 1.11:
-
- 1.0 to 1.11
- 1.1b to 1.11
- 1.1 to 1.11
-
- As such, you will not have to worry about
- reinstalling FB.
-
- As for soon, that means in the near future.

Ok great Thx for the reply....... S!!!

Please Take your time guys do not rush !!!


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:43 PM
Better than nothing tol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

S Pall !!!

tolwyn.com wrote:
- <blockquote
- style="background:#444444;color:#e0e0e0;">
- <blockquote>Unfortunately, it's only a 50% dedicated
- server.
- It will only support Dog Fight
- Mode.
-
- Whatever reason not to include support for
- cooperative gaming mode (and every VEF, Iron Skies,
- et al "war") is so far beyond me that I can't even
- articulate it without coming across poorly.
-


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:43 PM
Hunt, I hope you will be able to visit the little group of people here in Sweden that have united in our worship of your wisdom.

Your post was...so...Hunty.

You are our true hero!

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Seriously, that was the darn best post I've ever read in these forums.
And I've read a couple.

One word:

<h1>RESPECT!</h1>

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:46 PM
Folks,

I feel confident that Oleg and Co. and Ubi are doing the best they can. It's a complicated business. Rarely do companies get ahead by upsetting their clients. It's too bad that they have to deal with so many children and adults who act like children. I'm sure that our behavior affects their procedures to our detriment.
When difficulties occur, the best route to take is to be honest and mature and expect all parties to be working in good faith.
Communication is the key.

So ...

When is the P-51 coming out!

Somebody tell meeeeee

aaaaAAAAAAA!

I wanmyponeeee!!!

waaaaa!

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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 10:03 PM
You arent dancing naked with beavers in your mouths chanting like hearty little wood nymphs are you?



If so, I`m so damn in it'll make your head spin /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Vengeanze wrote:
- Hunt, I hope you will be able to visit the little
- group of people here in Sweden that have united in
- our worship of your wisdom.
-


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DarknessMuta
09-05-2003, 10:03 PM
Did they ever fix the broken sight damage model in the P-47 yet?

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:07 PM
tolwyn.com wrote:

- Unfortunately, it's only a 50% dedicated
- server.
- It will only support Dog Fight
- Mode.
-
- Whatever reason not to include support for
- cooperative gaming mode (and every VEF, Iron Skies,
- et al "war") is so far beyond me that I can't even
- articulate it without coming across poorly.
-
-


How exactly did you come to the conclusion it will only work for dogfight? I've seen no posts to this effect.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:09 PM
To you as well.......

Tsisqua.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:10 PM
Ia there eny chanse that the issue with russian speedometer showing at 40 when speedbar is 350 will be fixed.
Small but irritating.
And also the turbometer in P-47'ns dos not work.
Thank you for beeing there for us.



Message Edited on 09/05/0309:11PM by Fritzkiller

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:11 PM
Weatherman.

Email from Oleg.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:12 PM
Well Hunter,
have we ever had a patch in Il2 or FB which clearly said what was done with which plane and why ? NO ! Its always those kind of little paragraphs just telling us that the FM has been altered a bit...Dont tell me this is ever going to change, you dont believe this yourself.
And regarding the leaked "prepatch", i suppose even if it still has bugs it shows in which way the FM is going to be altered and i hate it, i fly mostly 109 as you can imagine by "II/JG54" and some FW. Now the 109 all lost considerably speed to a degree which makes them lame ducks. You cannot reach topspeed in a looong while, every La7 flys circles around them (and now, who says: learn to fly, i challenge you on same planes !) and even yak is now fast enough to catch G14, G6 As, dont know about K4 obviously. I double my score in the same time on a server if i fly only russian types after patch 1b and even more so after 1.1prepatch, and i tell you, i know about E-fighting, B&Z so forth.
Also the 108 feels different (rate of fire ?) again in 1.1, why are they doing this ??? CHange it this way, then change it that way, then change it again....
Besides, you say all things i mentioned in the post before get fixed, how can you know ? Really, it doesnt look like that right now. It looks rather like: Its still going to be buggy, laggy, and LW plays with a handicap again.

I played today on a server to test the 1.1 and i get a bitter feeling there....yes i am emotional and i want to be it...

But then, thx for your reply and post, you are a good man and i respect you and your work and help, do you really feel FB/1c/Maddox still deserves you ?

Yours,
Zent

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:15 PM
"Fritzkiller wrote:
- Ia there eny chanse that the issue with russian
- speedometer showing at 40 when speedbar is 350 will
- be fixed.
And also the turbometer in P-47'ns dos not work."

That's actualy 350 also on the speedo (35x10), read closer...

As for the p-47's "turbometer"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)...it must be a wonder to be working with the lever for the turbosupercharger stuck on "CLOSED" position---> Look just to the left of the throtle lever...it's alway on "closed"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:16 PM
and i forgot, you say "you didnt get a patch yet", well, i got one from UBI mainpage and its on my computer now and it wont go away without reinstalling FB.
I say, i lay it away for a week and have another look here in a week or more, if patch isnt there then and welldone i change my hobby. There are more games then FB...

Zent

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:20 PM
tsisqua wrote:
-
- Wags,
-
- Sorry to complicate this, Sir, but I have a question
- that I know must be on the minds of all reading
- this:
- 1.1 is not compatible with 1.1b. If your squadmate
- inadvertently installed 1.1, he/she MUST reinstall
- the game to revert to 1.1b, or else sit out on the
- online fun. I understand that you do not wish to say
- "when", especially after seeing the way that parts
- of this community react to missed projections, but
- would you ADVISE us not to uninstall FB if we
- installed 1.1? Or is there a chance that those of us
- wishing to play online will miss out for quite some
- time if we are to wait? As it is, the community has
- been divided by the two different versions of the
- game. There was quite a bit of turmoil over this
- issue at HL this morning.
- Thank You for all that you have done today. I know
- it must have been hectic.
-
- Tsalagi Asgaya Equa!


Yes I was wondering the same thing Tsisqua but I think I just seen a post where vengance sayes the patch will be here monday "dont quote me on that tho my man"



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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 10:34 PM
I only fly DE aircraft, occasionally the 47 and 40, mainly I'm in a 109. I like some of the new 109 FM's G2 and under,it just takes a bit of getting use to. The G6 and up climb rates seem off a bit but E bleed and roll rate feel correct for the heavier late 109's. I prefer using the 20 mm's so even in an G6A/S it's bit heavy IMO. Rate of fire on the MK108 seems a bit slower but I`m not sure if it's the actual gun rate or visual/sound aspect of it.


Most servers will be running the 1.1F on HL so you're OK for the weekend...I know I'm going to enjoy it.... I think it's a challenge to learn them again as I did in IL2. Why the frequent changes on the 109's? I'm not sure but I've adapted since IL2 and I'll do it again....


Stick with it....it's the outlook that matters....too often we reflect on the bad items but not the overall good......frankly I get a certain good feeling when I down the so called Uber VVS ac not because I think they are but because everyone else does...... I still believe to a certain extent it is the man not the machine and look at all changes as a learning curve.....

The day you see me bad mouth IL2 or FB or Ubi or Oleg is the day I give up.....not because I`m a fanboy but because I respect them and what was given to us for what I term a steal of a price......for over 2 years I've played these combined for under $100 US ...I can't even buy dinner for my wife and myself out in my area....it puts it in perspective for me......

I hope what I do helps and like anyone else I have my good and bad days.

Chin Up Zent you'll be happy soon...if not with this patch maybe the next but remember Rome was not built in a day.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:40 PM
Hi Tsisqua,

I understand your very valid concern and I apologize again for this unfortunate circumstance.

At this time, Oleg has delivered the 1.11 and dedicated server pathes to us and they will both be tested over the weekend. I know that this will probably bite me in the butt later, but I can tell you that unless a significant bug is found over the weekend, the patches should be released on Monday or Tuesday of next week. Please note that this is not an offical release date and it is certainly not a promise. It's just Matt's best guess.

As such, if you can wait three or four days, I'd suggest sitting tight and wait for 1.11. Just my .02.

Bests,
Matt



tsisqua wrote:
-
- Wags,
-
- Sorry to complicate this, Sir, but I have a question
- that I know must be on the minds of all reading
- this:
- 1.1 is not compatible with 1.1b. If your squadmate
- inadvertently installed 1.1, he/she MUST reinstall
- the game to revert to 1.1b, or else sit out on the
- online fun. I understand that you do not wish to say
- "when", especially after seeing the way that parts
- of this community react to missed projections, but
- would you ADVISE us not to uninstall FB if we
- installed 1.1? Or is there a chance that those of us
- wishing to play online will miss out for quite some
- time if we are to wait? As it is, the community has
- been divided by the two different versions of the
- game. There was quite a bit of turmoil over this
- issue at HL this morning.
- Thank You for all that you have done today. I know
- it must have been hectic.
-
<img
- src="http://www.uploadit.org/files/010903-nedChris
- tie.jpg">
-
- Tsalagi Asgaya Equa!
-
-
-



Matt "Wags" Wagner
Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
IL-2 Forgotten Battles
Lock On: Modern Air Combat

Message Edited on 09/05/0310:43PM by Wags

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:42 PM
Zentaurus I fly the 109s alot and I do very well in them even prepatch and pre pre pre-released 1.1 patch I was doing great in a g14..... I think the problem is that you fealt the power of the original FB Bf109k4 & now nothing can compare to that, it was preaty ubermodled imo I can still b&z & do rather well but it takes more work & more patients to achive the same thing, many times I dont get a shot so in this case dont stay down chasing there six just return to altitude & re-dive if you spend even 10 seconds chasing a kill you will die down there no doubt but if you realy strictaly!!! b&z you will do fine...

I think the real patch will be a treat, I hope!

I was getting shot @ .65 by a yak yesterday not just one luky shot either /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Later on I seen another guy say, hey how did you shoot me from over 1.0 km, LOL it was the same yak driver who shot me from LOng range,, so yes I know there is problems, but I also know in time without raging like a bull you can get it fixed iiif you use the proper chanels Like submit e-mail bug reports with real bugs not wishlist items /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If you want I fly against you get yer la7 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I got my g6as or f4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif S!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:48 PM
No worries Wags, thanks for update.

V!

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:50 PM
Hunter's wisdom has really inspired me,and I have concluded that he is none other than....


http://pauli.uni-muenster.de/~munsteg/yoda.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:01 PM
sobolan wrote:
-
- "Fritzkiller wrote:
-- Ia there eny chanse that the issue with russian
-- speedometer showing at 40 when speedbar is 350 will
-- be fixed.
- And also the turbometer in P-47'ns dos not work."
-
-
- That's actualy 350 also on the speedo (35x10), read
- closer...
-
- As for the p-47's "turbometer"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )...it must be a
- wonder to be working with the lever for the
- turbosupercharger stuck on "CLOSED" position--->
- Look just to the left of the throtle lever...it's
- alway on "closed"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- As P-47 is supposed to be a turbocharged plane i think you are beeing a bit unfair. Better to let us turn on the turbolever then.
Last time i checked with my mathteacher 10X40 is 400 so you take a doubblecheck before mouthing off to when the error is a known one.

And PS. Is the Hurricane supposed to have only Landing or Closed as the only two options for flaps.

Would apreesiate an educated anwser. Guess Your'e counted out Sobolan.
-





Message Edited on 09/05/0310:06PM by Fritzkiller

Hunter82
09-05-2003, 11:02 PM
I have a nice Yoda picture that if I posted I'd have to ban myself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:04 PM
OMG, I have to wait 2 days. That's not right and totally inexcusable. What's wrong with you people, you sold us the best game of its kind and now you cant make the perfect patch right away. WE ALL feel ripped off. It should be perfect. After all, we all paid for it and we all certainly can't enjoy it in its present state.

I mean look at it. For heavens sake, yesterday a P39 shot me down, that cant be right, I was in a 109 and we all know how much better a 109 is supposed to be. Its so overmodled, its uber., after all, i just got this game last week and the p-39 should NOT be able to shoot me in my 109. That's un-realistic. I flew another flight sim once, so I know how its supposed to be. And cant you see that EVERYONE agrees with me.

That's not all, the big blue boxes around the target wouldn't come on, and i couldn't get that cockpit thingy to disappear. That so unrealistic, how can that get by the game testers. Don't you people test this stuff.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:15 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- I have a nice Yoda picture that if I posted I'd have
- to ban myself


Hehe...you mean you're not him?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

47|FC
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:23 PM
Hey cozmo !
nice post ! Yes i would like to fly that duel later on, i am basically laying FB aside now until the final patch, then we will see. But well, if you really want it, this saturday, HL or UBI, medium settings in order not to confuse plane performance and pilots ability to find each other ? 23:00 GMT+1 ? Or any other time, just email me,but i will be away for a week from tuesday on.

Regarding the K4 loss: Yes, i grieved a bit about the power loss of the K4 when 1.1b came out but got over it. But what they have done to the 109s now is different, its takes away there famous characteristics, its plain FM murder! lol ! If you have an E advantage and use strict E fight thats nice but can be done with basically every plane, it just says you know how to survive even if the plane is crap..but what will you do if i climb up to you ?

Yours,
Zent

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:23 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- I hope what I do helps and like anyone else I have
- my good and bad days.


It does help ALOT..........................................
Hunter !!!!!!!!!!



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:34 PM
Supr wrote:
- I mean look at it. For heavens sake, yesterday a
- P39 shot me down, that cant be right, I was in a 109
- and we all know how much better a 109 is supposed to
- be. Its so overmodled, its uber., after all, i
- just got this game last week and the p-39 should NOT
- be able to shoot me in my 109.

Saying that a P-39 can NEVER shoot down a Bf 109 is simply going too far. In fact, not few Bf 109s were shot down by P.11s in the Polish Campaign, and P.11 is way too inferior to P-39. If you can't stand being defeated, go to QMB and fly Doras against U-2 biplanes. But don't relax too much. EVEN one of those can hit you with its rear gun. If that doesn't please you, you can set the game for invulnerability. Or play chess against a monkey. Well, monkeys are not supposed to win in chess. (Unless you are playing chess just since last week.) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

---------

The only thing about UBI and Maddox that disappoints me, is their secrecy politics. They could ease the ambient and temper moods just by keeping us informed often about what's cooking. We're hungry, and we just wanna know what are we having for dinner, and when are we sitting at the table. If the cook is too busy -and that's logical- they could designate a matre to answer our questions. But matres are here just in the very last moment, to say "The dinner's ready", and that is always obvious.

Hunter is right. We should be quieter and more reflexive. But they could be more comunicative. That would give us a reason for quietness and reflexion.

We're human, Hunter. A lot of different humans with different ages and interests, just one thing in common: passion for aircraft. You are right to ask respect from us, but don't you ask us too much patience. Patience is for individuals, not for communities. I can be patient, but I cannot force the others to be. We will never agree on that. However, don't you think we are all ungrateful, most of us appreciate the work that the whole team is doing.

We only want to know what's the progress of that work. The only way to make things better is: answers.

Than you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- Dux Corvan -

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:38 PM
Hunter wrote:
I have a nice Yoda picture that if I posted I'd have to ban myself.


YOUR BANED FOR EVEN THINKING IT !!!


BANED !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Message Edited on 09/05/03 05:41PM by cozmo_d

Message Edited on 09/05/0305:41PM by cozmo_d

Hunter82
09-05-2003, 11:46 PM
Understood. which is why I pointed out the with respect information may start to flow again..as long as the reaction is civil, even if the information is not what people want to hear /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Asking a community for patience is like asking the mafia for a 2nd chance /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Which is why I asked individuals,collectivly individuals make up the community which as you said is multi-faceted. It's amazing the passion all have, now if that was but into something good just think of the possibilities. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


DuxCorvan wrote:
- Hunter is right. We should be quieter and more
- reflexive. But they could be more comunicative. That
- would give us a reason for quietness and reflexion.
-
- We're human, Hunter. A lot of different humans with
- different ages and interests, just one thing in
- common: passion for aircraft. You are right to ask
- respect from us, but don't you ask us too much
- patience. Patience is for individuals, not for
- communities. I can be patient, but I cannot force
- the others to be. We will never agree on that.
- However, don't you think we are all ungrateful, most
- of us appreciate the work that the whole team is
- doing.
-
- We only want to know what's the progress of that
- work. The only way to make things better is:
- answers.
-

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Hunter82
09-05-2003, 11:47 PM
in a heart beat it would be a perma ban /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
cozmo_d wrote:
- Hunter wrote:
- I have a nice Yoda picture that if I posted I'd have
- to ban myself.
-
-
- YOUR BANED FOR EVEN THINKING IT !!!
-
-
- BANED !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:53 PM
Zentaurus wrote:
- Hey cozmo !
- nice post ! Yes i would like to fly that duel later
- on, i am basically laying FB aside now until the
- final patch, then we will see.

Im not going to wory about the new 109 preformance in 1.1F because its a flawed patch...

In 1.1b I was doing just fine in the k4 no one can realy touch me unless there in k4 or I make a mistake ask Swazy or Rattlecat or Memphis they all fly k4 in 1.1b & are very very good but none lives forever good thing its a sim /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If you climb up to me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Ill give you my six and force the overshoot in a wicked rolling sizors. maybe it will work maybe ull shoot my tail off but hey its a 50/50 chance

the main thing is that i dont let you climb to me because I will alwayes start the fight higher or on co-altitude

and yes im not a closed pit lover altho I can fly fullreal when I choose to....

The Idea of a duel was a joke but im sure it would be fun if we meet in the skys /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

I do agree that the 109 feals striped more in 1.1F but like i said I think that was a very bad accidental release & you wont see such bad preformance in 1.11 lets wait & see Zen.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:59 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Supr wrote:
-- I mean look at it. For heavens sake, yesterday a
-- P39 shot me down, that cant be right, I was in a 109
-- and we all know how much better a 109 is supposed to
-- be. Its so overmodled, its uber., after all, i
-- just got this game last week and the p-39 should NOT
-- be able to shoot me in my 109.
-
- Saying that a P-39 can NEVER shoot down a Bf 109 is
- simply going too far. In fact, not few Bf 109s were
- shot down by P.11s in the Polish Campaign, and P.11
- is way too inferior to P-39. If you can't stand
- being defeated, go to QMB and fly Doras against U-2
- biplanes. But don't relax too much. EVEN one of
- those can hit you with its rear gun. If that doesn't
- please you, you can set the game for
- invulnerability. Or play chess against a monkey.
- Well, monkeys are not supposed to win in chess.
- (Unless you are playing chess just since last week.)
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-

Just wanted to let you in on the fact that Supr was using a healthy dose of what we call "sarcasm". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW, nice posts Hunter. Not sure if the point gets through to some but being in a "consumer society" it's become the trend for consumers to get spoiled. It's gotten to the point of people purchasing a product to use for a weekend so they can return it Monday for a full refund and not see anything exploitive about that. The customer is not always right, in fact, and is a product of overly competitive marketing techniques.

Bottom line, I got more than my money's worth out of this product and look forward gladly to all the extras being given freely, including patches to an extent, by the developers, and those like yourself.

I want to thank Wags too for not succomming (too much) to the inclination to not give any information for fear of having every nuance picked apart by the vultures, and giving us projected release none the less. It takes more and more guts to do so these days in any game. Just ask Mark Rein from Epic. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If the "pouters" here can only look past their dissappointment and anti-corporate paranoia for a moment they might see that patience isn't necessarily measured in hours or a few days. A little perspective and common sense can keep the blood pressure down. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 12:11 AM
I've kept my peace during the last day and a bit, and now that the initial "excitement" has worn off it is time to contribute to the discussion.

Firstly, thank you to Hunter, Wags, Gibbage and the others who I've undoubtedly missed who have contributed positively during this time. It has been enjoyable seeing input from UBI, and Hunter's speech will probably be hailed the best post of this year, assuming Yoda doesn't sue him first /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

The contribution of Wags in particular will have restored faith in UBI and their efforts re this program.

As for the patch fracas, if it's an honest mistake then let it be. Everyone makes them. OK if there are a lot of people it got by, hey it happens. To everyone involved's credit they haven't slunk away. They've put their hand up and said "our bad". Good on them for doing so. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We can wait for resolution, which it sounds like is only a couple of days away anyway. Plus, this also gave the community a quick jolt to find other faults so it may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I hope that the "final" patch next week will mark the end of this bagging on many issues (like roll-rates, forward views etc etc) and the community can settle down and resume what passes for normal service around here.

At this moment the only question I have is does anyone have a rough idea when the Free Addon is coming out. So far i have seen timeframes between 1 month to Christmas. Specific dates aren't needed, just name the month and early, mid or late will do nicely, Thank you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:55 AM
To Wags, Hunter82, and whoever else might read this god forsaken post.



Personally I has resolved myself to just hold on and take the ride instead of trying to shape the ride itself. Ever since the 'patches' started on IL2FB I feel like its been one of those magnetic perpetual motion gizmos people keep on their desks.

Nothing ever finds a medium, its from one extreme to another. One patch something flys like a Extra 300, the next its like trying to manuever a brick. Or something is a flying bic lighter and then its suddenly built like its made of solid mithril.

I would like to think that the IL2 1.C production team and its boss Ubisoft are not directly responsible for this roller coaster and maybe its just the coding of the IL2 engine itself that makes minor well intended adjustments turn into major headaches. As I could just not see otherwise to these oft changing variations.

This time is a crucial time for this domain of gaming and for 1.C's future sim games. The time that WE here in IL2 have to remain in Ubisoft's support and marketing is growing short. As the product is already a year old which is a lifetime in the PC gaming platform. And upcoming is Ubisoft's Decemeber flagship product in this genre for Christmas, Lo-mac. I think part of what is causing these mad shouts and calls of foul play is that many realize this in some way.

At some point most of us know and fear that Ubisoft could turn the key and lock the door on this product leaving it in a state of disarray. And yet at the same time the eternal spring of hope keeps at us, telling us that maybe, just maybe when that time comes and THE final patch comes, it will leave IL2 in a state that will be remembered by us and looked on with satisfaction for many years to come.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:11 AM
Hey cozmo ! Why not really have the fight ? Just for fun ? I ll check my mail tonite around 22:30 and see what you propose. IMO the 109 in the patch is not only tuned down, its castrated, i can easily outclimb you now with a La7, if we start on same level i will be on top of you when we meet...here goes your E advantage...
Topspeed: in the K4 patch 1.1 (topspeed test i dont need a rudder to do) i reach 560 at sealevel, rad closed, full wep, all kinds of prop pitch tried, i reach it barely, sometimes it drops even to 550, (Database says it should have 580 at sealevel, it did at least 570 in patch 1.1b), La7 reaches easily and quickly 580. The only good 109 left is the G2 but that is not competitive with a 44-45 plane.
(it has a strange rudder bug in the 1.1flawed too)

Then, what makes you sure that the flawed patch is not at least a reflection of what they are up to ? I mean, it had bugs but it wasnt just a fantasy, it seems right now that they really do plan to make funny little planes with big guns out of the 109s. I hope very much that i am wrong here and you are right, but i dont have much reason for optimism so far.

Yours,
Zent


cozmo_d wrote:
-
- Zentaurus wrote:
-- Hey cozmo !
-- nice post ! Yes i would like to fly that duel later
-- on, i am basically laying FB aside now until the
-- final patch, then we will see.
-
- Im not going to wory about the new 109 preformance
- in 1.1F because its a flawed patch...
-
- In 1.1b I was doing just fine in the k4 no one can
- realy touch me unless there in k4 or I make a
- mistake ask Swazy or Rattlecat or Memphis they all
- fly k4 in 1.1b & are very very good but none lives
- forever good thing its a sim /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- If you climb up to me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Ill give you my six and force
- the overshoot in a wicked rolling sizors. maybe it
- will work maybe ull shoot my tail off but hey its a
- 50/50 chance
-
- the main thing is that i dont let you climb to me
- because I will alwayes start the fight higher or on
- co-altitude
-
- and yes im not a closed pit lover altho I can fly
- fullreal when I choose to....
-
- The Idea of a duel was a joke but im sure it would
- be fun if we meet in the skys /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- S!
-
- I do agree that the 109 feals striped more in 1.1F
- but like i said I think that was a very bad
- accidental release & you wont see such bad
- preformance in 1.11 lets wait & see Zen.
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:21 AM
Well, I think the number of pathetic mistakes which are constantly happening in the developement and distribution of FB have reached a considerable high level meanwhile.
This one more didn't improve the picture I personally get from the company (let it be UBI or 1C - for the customer it makes no difference, that's why companies have to select their partners with care). It's one thing when you have a company which throws out a product and doesn't care for support at all afterwards. Which is of course very poor and will have results on its own. However, the situation is that by certain actions, like making a "Ready Room" for customer feedback available, or promising continues patches which are to be improve the product overall, not worsen it in some points while improving it in others, a company creates higher expectations than others which do not do these things. If it is incapable though to live up to those expectations, it's its own fault, not that of the customer. It shouldn't have raised them in the first place then. Making an update available is a promise to the customer that he can NOW improve what he bought. Putting the wrong one on the site (if this really was the case - and not pathetic mistakes overlooked) which results in the neccessity to withdraw it a day after, is again a promise unmet. The only thing which they are reliable in seems to be their unreliability.


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:38 AM
Wags wrote:
- No one ever said that the dedicated server patch
- would NOT be released to the public, it in fact will
- be.
-
- Yeah, we love you too Petter_Gul...
-
--Matt
-
- Matt "Wags" Wagner
- Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
- IL-2 Forgotten Battles
- Lock On: Modern Air Combat

Well I think the quote "dedicated server patch" is somewhat strange.

We (The community) are hoping for a dedicated server version of the IL2FB build, not a patch for it?

What good is a dedicated server patch, when no one has the dedicated version to start with?

Is it just me? Or am I stupid?
I dont get it.

Im not whining give me that, give me this! Actually I am forced to accept the current situation and live with it. But dont excpect me to sit on my chair and be silent. I am a customer of a UBI product. I have the right to question your marketing strategies and support, no matter how silly they are (like releasig a dedicated server version). Its just up to you to listen or do anything about it.

What I dont understand is this:

If there was a dedicated server version for IL2 1.0 or later builds (a version that was working just fine) why wouldnt you release it to public???

Answer that please Matt, and I will be UBI´s most loyal customer from that day on.

- Yeah, we love you too Petter_Gul...
-
Yes, you gotta love me..
Cause I bought your product!

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We also plan to release the dedicated server patch next week assuming no new problems arise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell me this is for the general public!

I have been pushing for this from day one!!

With out it I fear the end is near.


Yes I do have a dedicated machine to run this one.

Will it be Linux or Windows based ?

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09-06-2003, 12:40 PM
I imagine Windows Ivan /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 02:10 PM
Hopefully they'll have the good sense to release a Windows and Linux/UNIX version. Windows would be alright for individual users, but nobody runs larger, popular dedicated servers on Windows boxes.

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:28 PM
AeroBob wrote:
- Windows would be
- alright for individual users, but nobody runs
- larger, popular dedicated servers on Windows boxes.

Doesn't UBI?



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:41 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Petter, jag kanske kan svara p¥ dina fr¥gor men jag
- ¤r inte riktigt med p¥ vad det ¤r du undrar.


Varf¶r sl¤ppa en patch till en dedikerad server som ingen har??

Hur ska man kunna patcha n¥got som inte finns? (tillg¤ngligt f¶r allm¤nheten)

n¥ja, inga problem.

Jag ska knipa k¤ft.

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09-06-2003, 11:51 PM
le bump

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 01:21 AM
Also, I would like to bring the following to your attention, although I'm sure somebody else already has, and you know of this: the replays recorded ingame, now always show AI winning, regardless of outcome of the recorded battle. It's impossible to host (at least for me) with v1.1 and cable on ubi.com. P-39 incockpit view always has a 'garbled noise' coming from the engine every so often (about every 2 seconds.) That's all I can think of right now, thank you very much. I hope you'll get a chance to read it.

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09-07-2003, 10:13 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:37 AM
Bump! Just in case anyone's wondering what happened to the 1.1F patch as it's dissapeared from Ubi's IL-2 page.

Apparently somebody noticed that releasing a bugfix patch with more bugs than the previous version is not a smart thing to do. It was still amusing as hell, though. I don't care if it was Ubi or 1C, it was a pretty embarrasing mistake. Instead of whining, may I suggest laughing and enjoying the ruckus. Eventually somebody will get their head screwed on straight and put up a proper patch. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 06:01 AM
Baloban wrote:
- Bump! Just in case anyone's wondering what happened
- to the 1.1F patch as it's dissapeared from Ubi's
- IL-2 page.
-
- Apparently somebody noticed that releasing a bugfix
- patch with more bugs than the previous version is
- not a smart thing to do. It was still amusing as
- hell, though. I don't care if it was Ubi or 1C, it
- was a pretty embarrasing mistake. Instead of
- whining, may I suggest laughing and enjoying the
- ruckus. Eventually somebody will get their head
- screwed on straight and put up a proper patch. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-

Hmm...that's interesting. Let's take a look:

New bugs in 1.1F:

-109K-4 rudder non-functional
-109Es now longer function how they used to (yet now function closer to the documentation, so is it a bug?).

Bugs present in 1.1b fixed in 1.1F:

- Removed dark areas of terrain apperaing in the distance on some maps.
- Fixed mirror reflections looking overbright.
- Removed clouds flickering when flying with mirrors active.
- Fixed incorrect playback on card supporting E€Ӣ 2 (but w/o ...€Ӣ 1).
- Removed stutter and unexpected fadings.
- Corrected network telephone and network telephone track playback.
- Corrected playback order of music files.
- Radiator-induced drag is now caclulated properly in 'auto/closed' radiator mode.
-Fixed a weird bug that caused Me-262 AI pilots to forget starting the right engine sometimes.
-- When pressing the bomb trigger ('Weapon 3' button), the bombs are released in a conventional way, in pairs like on the other planes.
- Opposed to, when the dive autopilot reaches the recovery altitude, it dumps the payload as awhole.
- Fixed a bug that allowed WEP with less than 100% throttle control during engine startup.
- Sun is not shining through instrument panel in B-239 any more.
- P-47 series have aileron trim, as they should.
- Fixed a glitch in artificial horizon in P-47.
- Ju-87 won't be dropping bombs continuously when 'Limited Ammo' is switched off.
- Automatic mixture control in Ju-87now works properly.
- Added ability to control mixture for He-111 series.
- Fixed Yak-3 magnetic compass reading.
- Removed random spark plugs failures on cold engines.


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 06:01 AM
What makes this FB different than average "consumer product" is going back and putting all these ancient aircraft onto our computers.

However, on the other hand, I wonder who here downloads a hehe "update" from Microsoft before finding out from online gossip how it trashes your Windows (hence the label Microsoft FanBoy). Software has never been a normal "consumer product" and it never will be except maybe the ROM code in your car chip or toaster chip.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:40 AM
A dedicated server patch???

*sniff* Thats so cool, after waiting for one year, or there about...

That should do for the slower machines or those with little ram.


Errm, just reread, does that mean we still dont get the dedicated server, but that the ubi-guys can then use that dedicated server again for the latest build?

Crap.

So I guess that thing wont ever be released.

hmm....


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 01:56 PM
It's Monday. Patch v1.11 is coming very soon. Muahahahah

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 02:07 PM
Merkava dont RUSH them damit.......

I want a good patch this time not RUSHED Bad Patch.....

SO sit back & relax & wait for the patch with patients like the rest of us please

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 02:15 PM
cozmo_d wrote:
- Merkava dont RUSH them damit.......
-
- I want a good patch this time not RUSHED Bad
- Patch.....
-
- SO sit back & relax & wait for the patch with
- patients like the rest of us please
-
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-
-

The true 1.1full patch was already done and ready when their posted the 1.1full of crap. Ubi posted the wrong damn file which was an earlier 1.1 beta build. It really comes down to more of less not wanting to pull overtime on friday and them not working on the weekends.


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 02:33 PM
* This is dedicated just for dogfights correct? Doesn't work for coops?

* How will this work with Hyperlobby?



I hope we get daily updates on patch status?

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 02:54 PM
Checking in. I'm along for the ride UBI!

You give us another patch, I'll download it. Another one after that? I'll download it too.

I just wanna play. If everybody has the same patch (thus the same game) the footing is even.

Yes, yes I want accuracy, eye candy and all the special stuff too...but I just wanna play!





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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 02:57 PM
Thunderbolt56 wrote:
- Checking in. I'm along for the ride UBI!
-
- You give us another patch, I'll download it. Another
- one after that? I'll download it too.
-
- I just wanna play. If everybody has the same patch
- (thus the same game) the footing is even.
-
- Yes, yes I want accuracy, eye candy and all the
- special stuff too...but I just wanna play!



I agree ..... Im game for whatever

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 04:10 PM
Dedicated Server!

Now that makes my day. I think this will be first flight sim with true remote access dedicated server capabilities. I've seen post by people that do not understand this or the importance of it. This could start a trend in flight sims that brings it to the next level.

This is truly great news.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 04:16 PM
Wags wrote:
- The team is aware, and fixed, the SB takeoff
- problems, the DB3F having a non-glass nose, and sea
- planes exploding when landing on a particualar spot
- on the water map. Mistakenly, the version with
- these three issues was used for the 1.1 version.
- This should not have been termed the final 1.1
- patch. I apologize for this confusion.

Huh? Did anyone really know about these, or really care? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 04:17 PM
Evis1 wrote:
- Dedicated Server!
-
- Now that makes my day. I think this will be first
- flight sim with true remote access dedicated server
- capabilities. I've seen post by people that do not
- understand this or the importance of it. This could
- start a trend in flight sims that brings it to the
- next level.
-
- This is truly great news.



Thats an understatment !!!!!!!!



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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 04:22 PM
Perhaps one day this sim could approach the popularity of FPS.

One can only dream http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 04:50 PM
You would need to remove the 'need to learn hundreds of keystrokes and read thousands of manuls before you can fly' attitude before it became a close FPS competitor.

Flying only using a keyboard make it feel so much more real (j/k).

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:05 PM
@Wags:

Are there still problems because today is the last day of "next week"



Wags wrote:
- The team is aware, and fixed, the SB takeoff
- problems, the DB3F having a non-glass nose, and sea
- planes exploding when landing on a particualar spot
- on the water map. Mistakenly, the version with
- these three issues was used for the 1.1 version.
- This should not have been termed the final 1.1
- patch. I apologize for this confusion.
-
- The good news is that these three fixes and the
- Bf-109K-4 rudder issue will be addressed very soon
- in a 1.11 patch. We also plan to release the
- dedicated server patch next week assuming no new
- problems arise.
-
- Bests,
- Matt
-
- Matt "Wags" Wagner
- Producer / Ubi Soft Entertainment
- IL-2 Forgotten Battles
- Lock On: Modern Air Combat



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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:56 PM
*bump*

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 03:58 PM
*bump*

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BlitzPig_Rock
09-12-2003, 04:48 PM
bump /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 04:49 PM
LOL ... spammer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It came out last week /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BlitzPig_Rock
09-12-2003, 04:56 PM
h009291 wrote:
- LOL ... spammer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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- It came out last week /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Its so difficult to tell /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The board seems to be extra slow today /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:24 AM
h009291 wrote:

-
- It came out last week /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif *bump*


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:32 AM
CAN WE GET ANOTHER?



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09-13-2003, 08:01 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 08:11 AM
SMASH THAT BUG!!!!!!!!!!!

Right on, Mr. Smilie.

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