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Plelv44_Mangrov
12-21-2006, 10:23 AM
Well, not much if you helping hand(s). Turkin sota (Turkki's war, after it's planner, Major Reino Turkki) at 4th - 10th August 1950 was the FAF's first large war exercise after the WW2.

Two teams, HävLLv 31 and 33 (24 and 34 during the war) were the "good guys" and HävLLv 41 (42) was the enemy.

During the exercise test were performed to measure the effectiveness of the peace-time training.

"Test 1.

Four planes to be filled with ammunitions. Four privates are available, each one fills one plane. The ammunitions are 50 meters in front of the planes.
Result: Average time for each plane was circa 30 minutes and 30 seconds.

Test 2.

Two planes to be filled with ammunitions. Four privates are available, two privates per plane. The ammunitions are 5 meters behind the planes.
Result: Average time per one plane was now 11 minutes.

Test 3.

To remove a Mg-151 and left Mg-131 from the plane. Two privates are available.
Result: It took 18 minutes to remove Mg-151 from the plane and four minutes to remove Mg-131. Total of 22 minutes.

Test 4.

To reattach the weapons. Two privates are available (not the previous ones).
Result: It took 35 minutes to reattach the Mg-151. In reality it could have took much longer, but a helping hand was given. It took 11 minutes to reattach the Mg-131.

MT's during Turkki's war (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/2003_theme_12.html)

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Herman Göing

Waldo.Pepper
12-21-2006, 11:49 AM
Nice! Imaging rearming in an online situation. Eleven minutes would seem like an awful long time.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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grifter2u
12-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Plelv44_Mangrov,

there is a thread on rearming in oleg's ready room, if you have any hard numbers on the time needed can you add some info there ?

it is an option some of us would like added for BoB. it could be implemented in various ways, but for now we just want some real life examples of the time needed for various fighter planes. we have some numbers already for the spitfire and hurricane, for full refueling, rearming, and oxygen bottle replacement.

Plelv44_Mangrov
12-22-2006, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by grifter2u:
there is a thread on rearming in oleg's ready room, if you have any hard numbers on the time needed can you add some info there ?

Done! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"No enemy plane will fly over the reich territory"
Herman Göing

grifter2u
12-22-2006, 02:42 PM
Plelv44_Mangrov,

thx for posting the info in the other thread to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

to be clear, the "to be filled with ammunitions" means reloading the munitions on a 109 aircraft in the Finnish air force after the war, correct ? (since i cant read the original do***ent you posted).

do they specify that this is both for machine gun and cannon at the same time ?

and what number of maintenance crew would normally work on one aircraft at the same time ? in the RAF i think it was a crew of 4 assigned to each fighter aircraft when they came in the refuel and rearm during the battle of britain.

Plelv44_Mangrov
12-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by grifter2u:
to be clear, the "to be filled with ammunitions" means reloading the munitions on a 109 aircraft in the Finnish air force after the war, correct ? (since i cant read the original do***ent you posted).

do they specify that this is both for machine gun and cannon at the same time ?

and what number of maintenance crew would normally work on one aircraft at the same time ? in the RAF i think it was a crew of 4 assigned to each fighter aircraft when they came in the refuel and rearm during the battle of britain.

A part of the report, test 1. (Koe 1.) "Täytettävä neljä konetta patruunavöillä." can be separated to following words:

Täytettävä = to be filled with
Neljä = four
konetta = planes (aeroplane)
patruuna = Cartridge
vöillä = with belts (vyö = belt)

I would interpret it to mean that all machine guns and cannons are been loaded at the same time.

The aeroplane in question is indeed a Bf-109 as you wrote and the test was made at August 1950 just four years before the last flight of Bf-109 at Finnish Air Force.

I'm not sure about size of crew, but the report above says that two people per aeroplane (means: one man for machine gun / cannon) is better than one man per aeroplane, so two man for armament and one for fuel?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"No enemy plane will fly over the reich territory"
Herman Göing